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Interesting DO info.
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And I assume those are only the ones the AOA has contact with? Many D.O.s who complete ACGME residency programs lose touch w/ the AOA.
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I was reading something that said there are 717,000 physicians in the USA and only 44,000 are DOs. 20% of all primary care physicians are DOs.
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Certainly, this is why i made sure to include the words, "at least."
I noticed, just in my little AOA search of Philadelphia, that there are only about 10-15 DOs listed in Phily but my anywho.com search turned up many, many more than that...AOA is not a complete listing to be sure.
I just thought it was interesting info...
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Why is this information so interesting to you?
Suprised to learn that DOs can hold these specialty licenses?
Thats the problem...even people in our own circle are suprised when they read something like this.
MDs arent holding us back, WE are holding us back.
What percentage of you out there, when asked the question "where do you go to school" take the time to tell the person that you are in osteopathic medical school and explain to them what that means if they arent sure? Or do you just tell them that you are in medical school and hope they dont ask where.
Thought so.
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Everyone asks me what osteopathic medicine is when I say I'm applying to DO schools...most of the time they phrase it like, "What is that, some kinda BONE doctor?" hahah, well, I do live in Pittsburgh...
But I do take the time to explain the difference, and pointing out the similarities in training and practicing privledges. I'm sure many DO students, pre-meds, and practitioners do the same. JP, you don't have to be so vindictive and self-righteous.
But I do take the time to explain the difference, and pointing out the similarities in training and practicing privledges. I'm sure many DO students, pre-meds, and practitioners do the same. JP, you don't have to be so vindictive and self-righteous.
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So can anyone spot the informal logical fallacy in this thread? Hint: it is two posts above this one.
It should be noted that, like many words, ?interesting? can have several different meanings. For instance, in this case, the word ?interesting? was selected as it is a perfectly ambiguous adjective. ( I hope I do not have to give examples of its utility for this purpose). I felt uncomfortable just saying here is ?some? information and ?interesting? is commonly held to be a word that can be used without any positive or negative evaluation implications. Perhaps in the future it would be wise not to use any adjectives at all on this forum. 🙄
You will notice that I did not say ?very interesting? or ?extra interesting? so I am confused as to how anyone could assume that I found it to be ?so interesting? when all that was stated was that it was interesting in a shrug my shoulders sort of way. The truth is, it isn?t really that interesting at all, but I thought that it might be worth posting all the same. You must understand that the forum wouldn't exist if people didn't post on it.
As for the fallacy, while I did say it was interesting (please refer to above posted perfectly ambiguous definition) I did not say that it was surprising. This could be considered an ?equivocation.? (To those who have a habit of quickly jumping to a preferred definition; use the logic specific definition). The conversion from ?interesting? to ?surprised? is unfounded, unsupported and fallacious.
I have no allegiances toward D.O.s or M.D.s except that up until recently D.O.s seemed to be more compassionate and less incendiary. There are those that are trying to convince me otherwise though it seems.
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It should be noted that, like many words, ?interesting? can have several different meanings. For instance, in this case, the word ?interesting? was selected as it is a perfectly ambiguous adjective. ( I hope I do not have to give examples of its utility for this purpose). I felt uncomfortable just saying here is ?some? information and ?interesting? is commonly held to be a word that can be used without any positive or negative evaluation implications. Perhaps in the future it would be wise not to use any adjectives at all on this forum. 🙄
You will notice that I did not say ?very interesting? or ?extra interesting? so I am confused as to how anyone could assume that I found it to be ?so interesting? when all that was stated was that it was interesting in a shrug my shoulders sort of way. The truth is, it isn?t really that interesting at all, but I thought that it might be worth posting all the same. You must understand that the forum wouldn't exist if people didn't post on it.
As for the fallacy, while I did say it was interesting (please refer to above posted perfectly ambiguous definition) I did not say that it was surprising. This could be considered an ?equivocation.? (To those who have a habit of quickly jumping to a preferred definition; use the logic specific definition). The conversion from ?interesting? to ?surprised? is unfounded, unsupported and fallacious.
I have no allegiances toward D.O.s or M.D.s except that up until recently D.O.s seemed to be more compassionate and less incendiary. There are those that are trying to convince me otherwise though it seems.
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I'll admit that I have on a few occasions just said I go to medical school at "Lake Erie" or "LECOM." If they ask "What does LECOM stand for?" I will tell them and explain what a DO is. But I don't volunteer that information. I don't say "I go to DO school, their philosophy is..." When you live in an area that has so few DO's (I live about an hour south of Pittsburgh, so I understand where turkdlit is coming from) it gets very monotonous to explain what a DO is. When you are in a city that has had a DO school for a hundred or so years, you don't have to explain what a DO is as much. DO's are just starting to enter into our part of the world in increasing numbers, so so far almost every patient has no idea what one is. If I had to explain to every person I saw who didn't know what a DO is (which is the majority of patients who live in the Pittsburgh area), I would hardly have any time to do my H&P's.
This doesn't mean I'm not proud of my education or the fact that I am going to be a DO. I just think it shouldn't matter whether I am an MD student or a DO student. I'm going to be a doctor no matter what. And I don't dodge the question if they ask me. It's just that around here you would have to explain to almost everyone .
This doesn't mean I'm not proud of my education or the fact that I am going to be a DO. I just think it shouldn't matter whether I am an MD student or a DO student. I'm going to be a doctor no matter what. And I don't dodge the question if they ask me. It's just that around here you would have to explain to almost everyone .
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"according to a search of the AMA data base, there are at least:
285 MD Dermatologists in the US
282 MD Radiologists in the US
246 MD Neurologists
...just some interesting info..."
As much as I hate to agree with JP's cynicism," I do agree that you should explain what you do/did mean by "interesting"... If you had posted the above statements (w/ adjusted stats) in the allopathic forum I think you'd have a room full of confused people.
To answer the question, "where do you go to school?" I say 'med school' to people that don't know or don't care what a DO is, and I say "osteopathic school" to those that do know what a DO is (i.e. anyone in healthcare). Saying 'osteopathic' tends to confuse people that don't usually care in the first place. You end up saying,"...like MD school with a few added things," anyway.
285 MD Dermatologists in the US
282 MD Radiologists in the US
246 MD Neurologists
...just some interesting info..."
As much as I hate to agree with JP's cynicism," I do agree that you should explain what you do/did mean by "interesting"... If you had posted the above statements (w/ adjusted stats) in the allopathic forum I think you'd have a room full of confused people.
To answer the question, "where do you go to school?" I say 'med school' to people that don't know or don't care what a DO is, and I say "osteopathic school" to those that do know what a DO is (i.e. anyone in healthcare). Saying 'osteopathic' tends to confuse people that don't usually care in the first place. You end up saying,"...like MD school with a few added things," anyway.
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This was exactly my point...
Thats all ?
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Goofyone,
Your avatar is hysterical! And I love your title, "budding proctologist"
Your avatar is hysterical! And I love your title, "budding proctologist"
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when I was calling doctors offices to see if they had a DO I could shadow I was amazed at the number of receptionists that had no clue what a DO was.
Call 1.. "Do you have any DO's working in your office?"
"Any Whats?"
"DOs"
"No we don't have dentists at this office. This is a
medical office."
Call 2
"Do you have any DOs in your office?"
" What is that?"
"DO... Doctor of Osteopathic medicine."
"Oh, ......(long pause) we don't do that here."
Call 1.. "Do you have any DO's working in your office?"
"Any Whats?"
"DOs"
"No we don't have dentists at this office. This is a
medical office."
Call 2
"Do you have any DOs in your office?"
" What is that?"
"DO... Doctor of Osteopathic medicine."
"Oh, ......(long pause) we don't do that here."
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In our nation's capital... or I should say the surrounding areas... Manassas, fairfax, leesburg, arlington, etc.....
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I don't get how you're going about this search. Why don't you check the phone book and search through physicians with "D.O." are the end of their name? 😕 I think it'd be easier to call an office and ask if "Dr. So-N-So" would be available for you to shadow. It will at least appear that you have a more focussed interest in the individual doctor. If a student thought of me as some nameless DO at some nameless clinic, I probably wouldn't help that person out. It would't take much for a student to, at least, get to know my name, my specialty, and the location of my office before asking me a favor...
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Actually not everyone in healthcare knows what a DO is. My wife is a registered nurse, and neither her or her colleagues knew what Osteopathic Med was. Until I came along. Everyone still seems to think its a bone doctor.
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Goofyone,
Your avatar is hysterical! And I love your title, "budding proctologist"
Thank you. You're next.
Our clinical Dermatology professor was Reagans White House physician for a while (DO and all)
