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These are rankings from my internal medicine chairperson (at U MD):

A:
B/W
MGH
UCSF
UCSD
UCLA
U Wash
Duke

A-:
U Penn
Wash U
UT SW
U Mich
UAB
Hopkins
Yale

A-/B+:
U MD
UNC
Columbia
Vandy

B+:
Cornell
Emory
U Pitts
U colorado
U Virginia

B:
MCV, Tufts, BU, Baylor, Tulane, UT Houston, JHU Bayview, U Cinncinati, Ohio State, etc

As for comments on particular programs, he said that everyone thinks that Cornell and Columbia are good even though they aren't really that good, so they are competetive when it comes to getting interviews. He thought that Hopkins was more around the A-/B+ range for medicine training, but their international reputation props them up. And he said that students should assess what grade level they think that they are (based on their transcript, USMLE, research), and apply to ~5 reach schools, ~10 schools your level, and ~5 safety schools. These are the words of my chairperson, not me, so don't cuss me out if I listed your school lower then you think it is.

Also, if you guys get rankings from people in your internal medicine program, feel free to post them here. I'm curious if there is any consensus out there.
 
That list is definitely missing something... Hmmm... Oh yeah, Mayo.
 
So if you don't want to move to the West Coast there are only 3 "A" programs to chose from?

Anyone else have some other schools in the East they would rank this high?
 
In general, the rankings that I have heard about from the IM residency director and chairman at my school are pretty similar to what was posted.

However, to rank UCSD and UCLA ahead of Hopkins/Michigan etc is pretty unreasonable.

I really don't think UNC. UMD, colorado, or virginia belong on the list at all. The IM program at UT houston is reportedly on probation as well.

I would also say that some of the chicago programs should be on the list somewhere.
 
Hopkins is rated way too low on that list.

The Osler internal medicine department is the best in the world

Let me guess, this idiot PD thinks that UMaryland IM is better than Hopkins right? :laugh:
 
You have to have the Mayo Clinic in the top 10-15. It has tobe ahead of Uof Colorado, UVA, U Pitt, Vandy, and some of the others. They are good programs but cant be ranked ahead of the Mayo Clinic.
 
I should add a disclaimer to my list by stating that my chairperson took ~5 minutes to write it out for me, so he probably missed some programs that were meant to be ranked high up there. I imagine Mayo and NYU would be some of them. And I will also say that my chairperson wrote that list out as grades for programs which give you the best training overall (with reputation being one part of the "training"). So even though Hopkins no doubt would receive an A in reputation, and probably receives an A in terms of quality of care it provides, when it comes to training, that is certainly very arguable. I've heard both positive and negative things about Hopkins' programs in general, some people tell me that they are malignant and can point to friends who train there and hate it, some tell me that they are great.
 
Still though, any ranking which puts Umaryland's IM department in the same universe as Hopkins is just a total farse.

I think I sense a little cross town rivalry going on here.

UMaryland can only beat out Hopkins in one aspect--the Shock Trauma center.

In every other clinical category, Hopkins is superior.
 
I doubt that NYU should be ranked with the top IM programs nationwide. While the clinical training I'm sure is excellent it is not a very academic type of place and research is not so strong there. It's probably 4th or 5th in terms of competitiveness amongst the NYC programs.
 
Originally posted by DRH
You have to have the Mayo Clinic in the top 10-15. It has tobe ahead of Uof Colorado, UVA, U Pitt, Vandy, and some of the others. They are good programs but cant be ranked ahead of the Mayo Clinic.
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As good a place Mayo is in delivering health care and as good as their international reputation may be, it is not a good place to train. Residents usually are just little puppets to the big-shot attendings and have very little autonomy in their own decision-making. It may belong to the "B" list of programs base on their reputation, but many of my atttendings who has affliated with Mayo attest to the above as facts.
 
Originally posted by adude
I doubt that NYU should be ranked with the top IM programs nationwide. While the clinical training I'm sure is excellent it is not a very academic type of place and research is not so strong there. It's probably 4th or 5th in terms of competitiveness amongst the NYC programs.
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It is generally considered the 3rd best program in NYC. Some even considered it on par with the other two but I think that's a tad far-fetched. It is a legit academic program that lands 50+% of their residents into fellowships. It doesn't generate as much research as the very best IM programs, but it provide a good mix of research/clinical training. It's location sure beats Columbia Presbyterian by a country mile. NYU medical center is definitely superior to other big private centers like Einstein's Montifiore or Mt. sinai.
 
And by the way, Yale and UCSD truly dont belong to the list of top IM programs. Yale relies on its reputable name and that's about all it has going for them. YNH is practically in the dumps. UCSD has location as a big attractor and probably gets mucho applicacionos (hence higher selectivity) because of it, but to say that their program is on par with UCSF or MGH is just not right. Both of them I'd say are B to B+ programs but that's about how good they really are.
 
Originally posted by MacGyver
Still though, any ranking which puts Umaryland's IM department in the same universe as Hopkins is just a total farse.

I think I sense a little cross town rivalry going on here.

UMaryland can only beat out Hopkins in one aspect--the Shock Trauma center.

In every other clinical category, Hopkins is superior.
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Fine, I will add the disclaimer that my chairperson is the chairperson of internal medicine at University of Maryland, and therefore is probably "somewhat" biased to say how great the Maryland program is. 🙄 Any chairperson who doesn't rank their program highly shouldn't be a chairperson of their program unless they rank their program lowly while planning to implement major changes. The residents here really are happy though, and I do know some people that decided to rank Maryland above Hopkins on their rank list. Who knows, maybe they knew that they would never get into Hopkins, but they claimed that it was a voluntary decision and that the residents seemed happier here.

As far as specifics about other programs, I will also add that one reason that Cornell is so popular is that they are in a very upperclass part of NYC, and they offer subsidized housing to all of their residents (it was ~900 a few years ago). Yale did look like they had a crappy hospital when I visited a few years ago too, the building looks very old. I went to Wash U for undergrad and spent a lot of time at their med school, and they are in a really nice location. Just because St. Louis is in Missouri, it doesn't mean that they don't have running water out there (as I found out). The Wash U hospitals are probably some of the largest (next to Cornell and Columbia) that I have seen, and they are look really modern too. I am probably going to apply to Mount Sinai because I heard that they have a nice hospital too, but the NYtimes published an article a few months ago about how Mt. Sinai (and I think NYU too) was endanger of going broke due to poor financial decisions. Financial problems seem prevalent at just about all med schools these days though. Maryland actually just put up a few new very attractive, very high tech buildings (one will house more MICU beds), but even they have run into problems with decreased state funding. When I interviewed at Wash U a few years ago, they were one of the few that came right out and said that they were still making a lot of money despite the managed care era so I assume that they are still doing fine. Anyways, I am planning on meeting with my PD in a few months so I will be sure to post whatever list she has to offer too.
 
I still have to disagree about NYU; when I interviewed there they came out and said that if you were looking for research/academics that it was not the place to be. Also I know several people who matched at NYU or Montefiore who did not match at Mt. Sinai.

That being said any perceived difference in rankings amongst university IM programs probably is meaningless. For east coast programs I would say there are probably 5 or 6 (defintely not including yale) where if you trained there it might actually make a difference in your career. Beyond those few that have that prestigiousness to their name, as far as getting fellowships it likely doesn't matter exactly which program you end up in. In other words I would rank programs as "top 5," or "everywhere else." You just have to be aware that the environment at NYU compared to that at say Cornell is completely different and base your decision on that rather than any rankings.
 
Originally posted by MacGyver
Hopkins is rated way too low on that list.

The Osler internal medicine department is the best in the world

Let me guess, this idiot PD thinks that UMaryland IM is better than Hopkins right? :laugh:
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Are you Hopkins' bitch?
Your over the top, blind support for Hopkins approaches that of religious fervor.
It is both alarming and amusing.
 
Renovar,
You are absolutely wrong about the autonomy level at Mayo. Even as an intern you have more autonomy than many programs. Not only is it an internationaly repected institution with world respected faculty, it is also a great place to train. The ancillary staff is great and there are people who do everything, but if you want you cna do as many procedures as anywhere. The honest truth is that you make the decisions and you have outstanduing faculty to guide you. None of the residents are puppets for anyone. The only weak points are that you may not see as much HIV as you would like, but you can do rotations in Scotsdale to compensate. Its a very strong program.
 
University of Chicago should be somewhere on that list as well.
 
Can anyone attempt to attach required USMLE scores to these ranks (A/B+/B-/)?
Can anyone speculate on how the list would be shaped if the sole concern was landing in a desired fellowship? (Is it pretty much the same?)
 
Originally posted by DRH
Renovar,
You are absolutely wrong about the autonomy level at Mayo. Even as an intern you have more autonomy than many programs. Not only is it an internationaly repected institution with world respected faculty, it is also a great place to train. The ancillary staff is great and there are people who do everything, but if you want you cna do as many procedures as anywhere. The honest truth is that you make the decisions and you have outstanduing faculty to guide you. None of the residents are puppets for anyone. The only weak points are that you may not see as much HIV as you would like, but you can do rotations in Scotsdale to compensate. Its a very strong program.
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I am not the person to say if anything is right or wrong, I am just saying in my experience with my attendings that's what they were saying and those are the impressions I have of Mayo. Of course, I dont go there and have no way of verifying what they are saying. You are free to believe what you believe is right for yourself, and you should determine things for yourself when you are on the interview trail and not let a single post on SDN decide whether or not a particular program is right for you. Evaluating the strength of a program is a very subjective thing and I am just here offering my opinions.
 
Originally posted by PTCA
Can anyone attempt to attach required USMLE scores to these ranks (A/B+/B-/)?
Can anyone speculate on how the list would be shaped if the sole concern was landing in a desired fellowship? (Is it pretty much the same?)
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LOL I feel like a puny premed when I answer a post like this... 🙁

Except for some of the extremely anal and traditionally elite programs (ie. some of the "A" programs) I doubt board scores are used as cutoffs in IM. And I doubt any of those programs will use board scores as a prime selection factor, ie. I dont think anyone will get ranked highly by the program because of high scores alone. Now, for those elite programs a high score will get you interviews, and low ones may deny you of one. I am not sure if scores alone are used to determine interviews, but I suspect that they may play a strong role. Some rumors I have heard is around 230-235 (2 digit of 92-95) or so at the very best of programs.

And yes, it does roughly correlate with that list in terms of fellowships. There are some programs in the northeast and west coast that are known to pump people into fellowships and most of them are represented on that list. I may not agree with it totally in terms of the exact rankings of those programs, but I think roughly many of the programs rated at B+ or above are some of the better ones out there in getting people into decent fellowships.
 
Renovar,
I agree it does gets subjective. As you said you are givinig your opinion from what you have heard. Hwever, all I am saying is how it really is. My statements are not from what I have heard they are from first hand knowledge. I think this is a great forum where people can express what they have heard abd where people can express what they know. Renovar you say Mayo is not a good place to train, thats a pretty strong statement. You also say they are puppets and thats just a foolish statement. Have you really heard attendings call Mayo residents puppets. The residents there end up at the most competitive fellowship programs programs in the country, including the Mayo Clinic. It is definitely a top 10-15 internal medicine program.
 
Originally posted by DRH
Renovar,
I agree it does gets subjective. As you said you are givinig your opinion from what you have heard. Hwever, all I am saying is how it really is. My statements are not from what I have heard they are from first hand knowledge. I think this is a great forum where people can express what they have heard abd where people can express what they know. Renovar you say Mayo is not a good place to train, thats a pretty strong statement. You also say they are puppets and thats just a foolish statement. Have you really heard attendings call Mayo residents puppets. The residents there end up at the most competitive fellowship programs programs in the country, including the Mayo Clinic. It is definitely a top 10-15 internal medicine program.
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No and no. But I sure have heard ex-Mayo residents (now 1st and 2nd year fellows and 1st year attendings) at my institution use those exact language in describing their training there, and there are more than one of them. 🙂 I dont know how their residents do in terms of fellowships, but that ability to obtain fellowships does not always correlate with the quality of the hands-on training. I am looking to apply to some of the strongest programs in the country, and may be a fool to have overlooked Mayo, but that's my loss as much as someone else's gain, isn't it? 🙂
 
Originally posted by Renovar
LOL I feel like a puny premed when I answer a post like this... :
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thanks for answering anyway
and ckent thanks for sharing your list man
 
Originally posted by P Diddy
Are you Hopkins' bitch?
Your over the top, blind support for Hopkins approaches that of religious fervor.
It is both alarming and amusing.
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First off, Hopkins is in the worst location of any med school in the entire country. East Baltimore is a total ****hole. Hopkins has the lowest income per capita in teh surrounding community of any school in the country.

You will NOT find a med school in a worse location or neighborhood than Hopkins, which is why I didnt even bother to apply there.

That being said, if you throw out location from the equation, Hopkins is just about the best med school in the world, IN SPITE OF ITS LOCATION.
 
Originally posted by DRH
Renovar,
You are absolutely wrong about the autonomy level at Mayo. Even as an intern you have more autonomy than many programs. Not only is it an internationaly repected institution with world respected faculty, it is also a great place to train. The ancillary staff is great and there are people who do everything, but if you want you cna do as many procedures as anywhere. The honest truth is that you make the decisions and you have outstanduing faculty to guide you. None of the residents are puppets for anyone. The only weak points are that you may not see as much HIV as you would like, but you can do rotations in Scotsdale to compensate. Its a very strong program.
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Come on though, at Mayo which is in a rich suburb in a lily white neighborhood, the people coming there DONT WANT to be treated by a med student, they want to get treated by the hot shot attendings.

In other urban areas, this attitude is not so prevalent, since they give out millions in free medical care.

Mayo really has a huge advantage in the monetary aspect. I bet no more than 5% of their patients are indigent, whereas at other places like MGH or Columbia this percentage is more like 40%.
 
"As good a place Mayo is in delivering health care and as good as their international reputation may be, it is not a good place to train. Residents usually are just little puppets to the big-shot attendings and have very little autonomy in their own decision-making."

I, too, completely disagree. And Mayo isn't really in a rich suburb. It's in this little stand-alone community which definitely has its diverse areas. True, it's no inner city hospital, but I've found the breadth of exposure in terms of diversity of patients outstanding so far. Level of autonomy is also outstanding so far. All in all, I'm quite pleased. I'm working my booty off, but getting a great education at the same time.
 
one of my attengings is a cardiologist who did IM at mayo and he said the same thing as renovar. there was always a fellow or attending ready to snatch anything challenging or interesting away. the name got him where he wanted to go, but he thought his training was sub par for general IM.
 
Originally posted by Fanconi

I, too, completely disagree. And Mayo isn't really in a rich suburb. It's in this little stand-alone community which definitely has its diverse areas. True, it's no inner city hospital, but I've found the breadth of exposure in terms of diversity of patients outstanding so far. Level of autonomy is also outstanding so far. All in all, I'm quite pleased. I'm working my booty off, but getting a great education at the same time.
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Are you a IM housestaff at Mayo? If you are, maybe you can share with us your experiences and what makes your experiences there so outstanding. And what factors made you came to conclusion to go to Mayo instead of other institutions.
 
so what are some of these "factors(s)?" what else should we be hitting hard other than step1?

Originally posted by Renovar
LOL I feel like a puny premed when I answer a post like this... 🙁

Except for some of the extremely anal and traditionally elite programs (ie. some of the "A" programs) I doubt board scores are used as cutoffs in IM. And I doubt any of those programs will use board scores as a prime selection factor, ie. I dont think anyone will get ranked highly by the program because of high scores alone. Now, for those elite programs a high score will get you interviews, and low ones may deny you of one. I am not sure if scores alone are used to determine interviews, but I suspect that they may play a strong role. Some rumors I have heard is around 230-235 (2 digit of 92-95) or so at the very best of programs.

And yes, it does roughly correlate with that list in terms of fellowships. There are some programs in the northeast and west coast that are known to pump people into fellowships and most of them are represented on that list. I may not agree with it totally in terms of the exact rankings of those programs, but I think roughly many of the programs rated at B+ or above are some of the better ones out there in getting people into decent fellowships.
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Originally posted by profunda
so what are some of these "factors(s)?" what else should we be hitting hard other than step1?
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Your 3rd year grades, especially IM, and your 4th year IM grade (especially your subI eval) are also quite important, try to get an A or an Honors in those if possible. A corrolary of that is by getting those good evals, you can ask for letters of recommendation from IM attendings you work with, which is also big. Your subI letter, if you did one, will be pretty big in the final selection process if you can pull together a strong month of 4th year subI to show you can work at the intern level. As I said, your boards will really only help you get interview. When your completed file is reviewed during the final ranking session, all these other factors are probably equally if not more important than your step 1 number.
 
I have no doubt after fully researching this, that Yale is among the top 5 programs in the country:

1)My program director, chairman, and associate chair think so


2)The recent publication in "Academic Physician" comparing graduates of IM programs around the country, found that YALE housestaff are among those most likely to begin receiving job offers early on in their training, and some of the Yale residents I've spoken to attest to that


3) Yale was just last week named the number ONE academic institution in all fields by Princeton review board




disclaimer--I want to stay in the far WEST, and have no reason to defend Yale, but the facts should be on the table.
 
Originally posted by bob3
I have no doubt after fully researching this, that Yale is among the top 5 programs in the country:

1)My program director, chairman, and associate chair think so

2)The recent publication in "Academic Physician" comparing graduates of IM programs around the country, found that YALE housestaff are among those most likely to begin receiving job offers early on in their training, and some of the Yale residents I've spoken to attest to that

3) Yale was just last week named the number ONE academic institution in all fields by Princeton review board

disclaimer--I want to stay in the far WEST, and have no reason to defend Yale, but the facts should be on the table.
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There is no question that Yale has a good name based on its place in historical and social standings. And the automatic prestige that is associated with the name is definite not in question. But we are talking above that, we are talking about the quality of training, and academic FELLOWSHIPS, not jobs. A good measures of the CURRENT reputation (and not just past reputation or name recognition) of a program is by how well do they place their graduates to fellowships. And to be quite honest, jobs are not that hard to come by after residency. Many senior medicine residents at my institution now (which is arguably a better training place, but the name recognition itself is not quite as prestigeous as Yale) has their phones rang off the hook from job offers that they are screening those calls like a telemarketing call. Is your chairperson trained at Yale? Or somewhere in that region like UConn? Is there a regional bias? Our IM chairman sure doesn't seem very impressed by Yale, and only the average to below average candidates from our med school would apply to Yale and the person who matched there last year suddenly became the laughing stock of her class because she made it obvious that she is going for the name and nothing else... All you need to do is look at Yale's entering intern class and look at what kind of med schools they come from.
 
Hey Bob3,

What's your obsession with Yale? Are you the PD or something? This is like the 5th time that out of the blue you went on a Yale-praising ramble. Except last time you said you were in Boston not out west.
 
There is no question that there is reason to be jealous of the residents who matched at Yale, especially if you were unable to match there yourself. Realize that my chair person did his training in Stanford, and two close friends of his (both chairs at prestigious places) did training at Yale. If you don't go to a prestigous institutional name, over the long term, since training programs inevitably change, you may not have the same recognition when you get out. No one keeps track of the minute or drastic changes in training, but the NAME stays with you at the end.

And, yes, I was talking about top east and west coast schools preemptively calling Yale housestaff for FELLOWSHIP JOBS.

And, yes, do indeed scrutinize the entering class at Yale..its impressive.

And, just how do you explain the article about Yale Housestaff successes that was clearly superior to the names of institutions (even the boston ones) mentioned in some of these postings? The facts or data can't be changed!

P.S. Yes, I did training in Boston, but have now moved to the west. And, yes, from all that I'm hearing now, I would have opted to train at Yale if I knew these facts before. Just don't put down a place because YOU have trouble getting in or didn't get an interview, and I say that because I know one person personally who has posted that Yale is not so good, when HE in fact was pissed about not getting an interview from Yale...and the individual I'm referring to knows who he is...🙄
 
Originally posted by bob3
There is no question that there is reason to be jealous of the residents who matched at Yale, especially if you were unable to match there yourself. Realize that my chair person did his training in Stanford, and two close friends of his (both chairs at prestigious places) did training at Yale. If you don't go to a prestigous institutional name, over the long term, since training programs inevitably change, you may not have the same recognition when you get out. No one keeps track of the minute or drastic changes in training, but the NAME stays with you at the end.

And, yes, I was talking about top east and west coast schools preemptively calling Yale housestaff for FELLOWSHIP JOBS.

And, yes, do indeed scrutinize the entering class at Yale..its impressive.

And, just how do you explain the article about Yale Housestaff successes that was clearly superior to the names of institutions (even the boston ones) mentioned in some of these postings? The facts or data can't be changed!

P.S. Yes, I did training in Boston, but have now moved to the west. And, yes, from all that I'm hearing now, I would have opted to train at Yale if I knew these facts before. Just don't put down a place because YOU have trouble getting in or didn't get an interview, and I say that because I know one person personally who has posted that Yale is not so good, when HE in fact was pissed about not getting an interview from Yale...and the individual I'm referring to knows who he is...🙄
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LOL, there is no need to use 2nd person in your post heh? No body is jealous when we are talking Mass Gen's, Michigans, BWs and UCSFs. Most people from our school dont even bother with Yale, and only losers who applies to like 50 programs will have Yale on their list as an aftertaste. And not to candy coat anything, that's all it is. An aftertaste. This girl from my school was an opthalmology early match reject and scrambled to submit her application in mid January after she learned of her early match results, and Yale basically hooked her up since she did her undergrad there. Even my institution's IM program PD said he would be reluctant to take her.

And yes, I did scrutinize Yale's entering class, and no offense, it does not look impressive one bit. 😳

Mind posting the link to those articles? Or at least the reference? What is the type of study the article is based on? Word of mouth? Fellowship jobs? LOL. How about residency jobs? And you dont get phone calls for fellowships. It's actually a process where you have to apply, interview and for some fellowships, match. Get your facts straight before embarassing yourself.

And just in case you are wondering about jealosy, I am from a top 15 medical school, have mostly A's on my record, and have 240+ on my step 1. I wont bother with Yale because of its weak program and dingy location. I'd go to NYU over Yale for IM any day.

There is no point in discussing or arguing about the merits of a program if all you want is NAME NAME NAME. If that's all you look for in residency and can tolerate some mediocre training in a $hithole for 3 years, then this bud is for you.
 
I can assure everyone reading these postings that a resident from Yale will fare a whole world better than ANYONE from NYU.

And, for your info, fellowships will call certain candidates they would like to recruit. You haven't experienced that b/c your in a *hit hole. Only the elite experience and can talk about that.

As far as your 240, go shove it. There are many of those, with added degrees and pubs that would dwarf any score on a USMLE...so have fun at NYU, and don't cry b/c you were rejected from YALE. We all know the feeling and how you go into denial.
 
Originally posted by bob3
I can assure everyone reading these postings that a resident from Yale will fare a whole world better than ANYONE from NYU.

And, for your info, fellowships will call certain candidates they would like to recruit. You haven't experienced that b/c your in a *hit hole. Only the elite experience and can talk about that.

As far as your 240, go shove it. There are many of those, with added degrees and pubs that would dwarf any score on a USMLE...so have fun at NYU, and don't cry b/c you were rejected from YALE. We all know the feeling and how you go into denial.
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Ooh, gloves are off now, aren't we?

By the way, I haven't even submitted my app yet. Yup, as you say, I'll shove it, right in Yale's (and YOUR) face... 🙂 There are sure many of those, and surely you dont sound like one of them. And how do you know I dont have pubs and extra degrees? The same way you "just know" why Yale is an "elite program"? Dont make me laugh off my chair.

Did I sense a sense of insecurity? If it is so "elite" why aren't you there? Were you rejected by Yale and have an inferiority complex because of it? Are you an IMG who dream big but achieve small? Just because yale grad, however mediocre they are, will be a far better doc than YOU will EVER be doesn't mean that Yale is good, you know? The only time I will cry is for poor lads like you getting rejected from an "elite" (note the quote) program like Yale who feel sorry for himself and try to project their own bitterness on someone else.

PS: Wow, Yale Daily News... what an objective way of measuring success, by quoting the institution's own pet newspaper. Now we are talking legitimate research.
 
keep crying....

http://www.residentphysician.com/

and, everyone is privy to the Academic Physician article, look at what they say about the Yale residency (it's a lot more than what the new rejected kid on the block from prestigious NYU resuidency-Renovar-can say)
 
Originally posted by bob3
keep crying....

http://www.residentphysician.com/

and, everyone is privy to the Academic Physician article, look at what they say about the Yale residency (it's a lot more than what the new rejected kid on the block from prestigious NYU resuidency-Renovar-can say)
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The only rejected kid I see around here is you, wannabe.

Obviously pointless arguing with a loser, will sign off.
 
Anyways, I'm making it a note to trying to talk with more people to get the skinny on more programs.

Boston U: One fellow that I talked with loved it there. She said that Boston U had an international and diverse patient population, lots of intern autonomy, a nice hospital, and heavy emphasis on teaching. She also said that it was emphasized to interns that they were to teach the med students too. She said that they do fairly well when it comes to fellowships. She did her residency and med school there, she's a pulmonary fellow now.

One intern told me that he liked Cleavland Clinic and Albert Einstein (the M one) a lot as well. Said that Cleavland had a good heart center (apparently based his assessment on us news), but claimed that they both had nice hospitals.
 
Yale was just honored at a national meeting of medicine for being one of the strongest medicine programs in the country ("top three"). Look up the article in Academic Physician (there are three pages on the history of Yale Medicine)

cheerio
 
yale isn't close to being a top three medicine program, unless...

you attend yale in some capacity.
 
voice from good ol' podunkville!
 
no need to believe me-just read the article
 
From what I see the link only shows program rankings by NIH funding. How does NIH funding prove that a program is a quality residency program? What garbage! Good research doesn't necessarily result in a quality education. We are learning to be doctors not lab rats. The attending for the most part that bring in the most NIH money seem to be the least comfortable with patient care. I have worked in many hospitals and this seems to be the predominant trend.
Maybe it is time to look back at your link. Harvard is number 44....hmm but everyone says that it is a quality residency education. makes no sense. Furthermore, UC SD may be a good residency program but in terms of overall training I doubt that it is the 5th best.
 
hey, so it means it's easy to get into yale int med? man, i'm going to apply. who cares if it's a crappy program, it'll sound cool to my family and patients that i did my training there. those laymen will think i'm a super internist.
 
How would you rate the Cleveland Clinic for its IM program?

Is this university affiliated to Case Western?
 
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