internal year?

[amirame]

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hi evryone i am new here 🙂
i am a med student in my final year in med school (paris medicine descartes ) i want to do my internal year( which is2 years here in france after finishing medschool) in the usa and residency am i alllowed to do my internship there how to apply for it ? i dont know if it is possible for me
i cant find anyuseful info anywhere so i came here hope someone can help thanks
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[mvenus929]

To do residency in the US, you have to have taken the USMLE steps 1 and 2, and most likely have done some sort of clinical training in the US (most IMGs seem to do some sort of clinical preceptorship or actual student rotations at US hospitals).

Your best resource for this is probably ECFMG.

 

[Kahreek]

it is not worth it, you have to get a visa and do step 1 and 2, and then you will have to start all over again should you want to return to France. Stay in France, it is a hell of a good place to practice if you don't mind not being millionaire.

 

[notbobtrustme]

The French work ethic would get eaten alive over here. IIRC, French can't work more than 40 hours a week and get 6-8 weeks paid vacation. That's like retirement for doctors over here.

 

[amirame]

thanks for the info but if i took an MD degree in y home country can i practice as a general doctor
i dont know what is the difference medicine is medicine in france or the us we stuy the some subjects why u make it sound impossible
anyway
i have a friend who studied in a med school here in france and he just passed his residency and went to the usa he is working there and carying his residency and didnt even take the USMLE

 

[mvenus929]

thanks for the info but if i took an MD degree in y home country can i practice as a general doctor

You're not going to find many people on this website who know France's system very well. But the way the system in the US works is you graduate medical school, and then you complete a residency. You cannot practice medicine in the US without completing a US residency.

So if I understand you correctly, no, you can't just come to the US and practice general medicine. Even the generalists here do 1-3 years of residency (depending on the situation; you can become licensed after a year, but few insurance companies will pay you if you are not Board eligible or Board certified).

i dont know what is the difference medicine is medicine in france or the us we stuy the some subjects why u make it sound impossible

Because the US is egocentric and doesn't believe that residency training anywhere else is equivalent to US training, for better or for worse. Besides that, the system of health here is VERY different from France, or really any country. Not to mention the types of diseases we see commonly here, etc.

i have a friend who studied in a med school here in france and he just passed his residency and went to the usa he is working there and carying his residency and didnt even take the USMLE

Your friend is lying to you about something, or not telling you the whole situation. Either he's doing a fellowship, not a residency (which doesn't require USMLE in some cases), he's not working as a physician in the US, or he did take the USMLE and is doing a US residency. Or he's working as a physician without a license, which is illegal and could end him up in prison.

 

[amirame]

You're not going to find many people on this website who know France's system very well. But the way the system in the US works is you graduate medical school, and then you complete a residency. You cannot practice medicine in the US without completing a US residency.

So if I understand you correctly, no, you can't just come to the US and practice general medicine. Even the generalists here do 1-3 years of residency (depending on the situation; you can become licensed after a year, but few insurance companies will pay you if you are not Board eligible or Board certified).



Because the US is egocentric and doesn't believe that residency training anywhere else is equivalent to US training, for better or for worse. Besides that, the system of health here is VERY different from France, or really any country. Not to mention the types of diseases we see commonly here, etc.



Your friend is lying to you about something, or not telling you the whole situation. Either he's doing a fellowship, not a residency (which doesn't require USMLE in some cases), he's not working as a physician in the US, or he did take the USMLE and is doing a US residency. Or he's working as a physician without a license, which is illegal and could end him up in prison.

thank you you answered all my question 🙂

 

[Winged Scapula]

As others have noted, its not just a simple matter of graduating medical school in France and coming to the US to work as a physician.

There are some fellowships which would not require the USMLEs, but you cannot be licensed without passing all 3 portions, and no allopathic residency will hire you without having the exams and your ECFMG certificate. Your friend is most likely doing a fellowship, with an institutional license, that means he cannot work outside of the facility that hired him. These are only available if you have completed your training in another country and are not offered in every field.

In addition, most US states will not issue a license to anyone trained outside the country without 3 years of US graduate medical education; here you will find the list of state requirements.

You should start looking at ECFMG requirements for training in the US. I think you will find that its so much work that its not worth it to come over for a year or two.

 

[amirame]

As others have noted, its not just a simple matter of graduating medical school in France and coming to the US to work as a physician.

There are some fellowships which would not require the USMLEs, but you cannot be licensed without passing all 3 portions, and no allopathic residency will hire you without having the exams and your ECFMG certificate. Your friend is most likely doing a fellowship, with an institutional license, that means he cannot work outside of the facility that hired him. These are only available if you have completed your training in another country and are not offered in every field.

In addition, most US states will not issue a license to anyone trained outside the country without 3 years of US graduate medical education; here you will find the list of state requirements.

You should start looking at ECFMG requirements for training in the US. I think you will find that its so much work that its not worth it to come over for a year or two.

i can be licensed in my country and look for ECFMG without USMLE
what if i just graduate med school without doing any internship or residency (2+5 years) in my country can i take the USMLE ?
thanks for answering

 

[Winged Scapula]

i can be licensed in my country and look for ECFMG without USMLE
what if i just graduate med school without doing any internship or residency (2+5 years) in my country can i take the USMLE ?
thanks for answering

1) you cannot be ECFMG certified without taking the USMLEs
2) yes, you can take the USMLEs without having any post-medical school education. As a matter of fact, many US residency training programs *prefer* applicants straight out of medical school as it can be difficult to "retrain" someone who has completed residency elsewhere.

May I ask what your goal is?

In your first post, you talk about coming to the US for internship. As most have stated, getting ECFMG certification is a lot of work and expense only to come for a year or two.

Secondly, have you verified that your US training will offer you an advantage or be recognized in France? Again, its a lot of work to go through when it won't provide you any career benefit at home in France.

IMHO, you should only come to the states if your plan is to work here after training or to pursue a specialty training not available in your home country.