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Can we have a discussion about what MD/PhD interviews are actually like (rather than who got invited where)? I get the impression from the few threads I've found about this that they are relatively low-stress, but I'm skeptical--it can't be all about recruiting me, can it?

I'm interviewing at the University of Minnesota (the only school I'm interested in attending, so lots of pressure) in a few weeks. The invitation to interview letter said that my interview would consist of "three interviews with MD/PhD Steering Committee members, who will evaluate your application, and several informational meetings with MD/PhD program research preceptors of your choice. Additionally, you will have lunch with current students and interview with a student member of the admissions committee."

So here are some of my questions:
- What types of questions do they ask in the interviews with the Steering Committee? I'm already expecting the typical "why do you want to be a doctor, why both degrees, etc" and a little about research, but what else? How in-depth do they expect you to go in your research? I had lots of short/low responsibility research experiences in undergrad and am now taking a year off and working full time on my own project--will they care about my earlier experiences or only really ask about what I'm doing now?

- Will I be expected to know a lot about the research that the preceptors are doing? I've already sent them my choices and found out that, by chance, I picked the new director of the MD/PhD program. Will they evaluate me during the meeting and report back to the admissions committee, or is it purely just for my own benefit? My plan for this part so far is to read, at minimum, the abstracts of the last 5 or so papers that have come out of their labs, with maybe a bit into the papers if they really interest me--is that enough?

- What is the student interview like/what types of questions will he/she ask?

- What the heck do I wear? I'm female, and I was thinking something along the lines of the outfits seen here.
 
http://www.mdphds.org/guide/interview.php

Personally, I am reading about my interviewers' research and making sure I have a general understanding of techniques etc that they use that are different than mine. I have also been told that they often ask "what would you do next" or "how would you study this?" about their research.

Apparently, you need to know your research like the back of your hand (which really, we should/do anyway). I figure they will ask me the most about my current project and my past projects with publications.

I would anticipate regular MD interview questions. And probing about why MD/PhD, as you said. I would also be prepared about "why this school?" Know what makes their research facilities special. What things are available that aren't available elsewhere. What makes their med school special etc. I have been told that you shouldn't make it sound like location/state is important (I don't know how true that is) but that you can mention that it is a casual reason.

As for clothes, for the more formal interviews with MD admissions, I am planning on wearing a suit from Banana Republic. On less formal days (meeting with grad school faculty etc) I am wearing nice slacks or pencil skirt, a nice blouse and cardigan. As I am already fairly tall, I am wearing very professional flats with a slight build up of a heel.

General things that our premed advisor says, that are fairly obvious. Prepare answers to the obvious questions (as we said above) but never write them down. You want them to maintain the air that you aren't reciting. Nothing to long, and not too short. Don't be surprised, especially with MD/PhD interviews, if the interviewers seem inexperienced or awkward but try to maintain a conversation type feeling to the interview.


Other questions I have been told to anticipate:
Why get an MD when you want to be a research scientist?
What speciality?
If you had to pick one degree, which would it be?
What qualities will make you a great MD/PhD?
What have you contributed to each research project?

I haven't had any interviews yet. This is just information I have gleamed from our pre-med advisor, people I know on admissions committees and past students. I think it would be great if we post our experiences here!
 
Nearly every interview I had was identical and by the time you've interviewed at two schools, you'll have your whole spiel down. Essentially be prepared to tell the story of why you are applying and be prepared to predict where the md/phd will take you and why. People on here have made a big deal about knowing your research, but I found that to be untrue: the people interviewing you for md/phd don't really care about the details of whatever random gene or protein you were working on and the interviews where you are meeting with faculty are more about their research than yours. That said, as pointed out below, it would be pretty irresponsible of you not to be able to talk about your own work.

It's important to always have questions in your back pocket for either silences or for when they ask you what questions you have.

The student interview can be just like all the others except its your best opportunity to get a feel for what it's like to be a student at that school.

I liked to prepare by reading papers by the faculty I was meeting with so that I'd be more comfortable talking about their work.

But maybe I'm not the best person to listen to since I got rejected by UMinn. That said it was a pretty fun interview (great dinner) relative to others.
 
Hey applicants (I know dozens of you are out there lurking),

I went through the MSTP application cycle last year and blogged about my impressions of each of the 12 schools I applied to. The blog is private but if you would like to see more of my school-specific thoughts feel free to pm me and i'll give you access.

Anyway at the end of the cycle I wrote this summary of the interview process as a primer for new applicants (and for family/friends reading the blog and curious about the process). Might be interesting reading, might not, but here it is regardless.



So I don't know if I'll make this blog public (after the cycle is complete, of course), but if I do, I think I may as well offer my thoughts on the interview process. It is undeniably long and tiring, and the source of quite a bit of unnecessary stress for most MD-PhD applicants. Note that I won't address the topic of what it takes to get in - I'm not enough of an admissions insider to speak knowledgeably on that. I will say that I had success applying to elite MSTPs with no publications, using a summer research project as my primary talking material, and coming from a no-name college. I was fortunate to have good numbers and passionate recommenders, and devoted three August weeks to daily essay writing. I'll begin with a little background about my journey, chronicled in the rest of this blog.

I applied to 20 medical schools, 19 MSTP and one MD-only (Loyola). As perhaps the first serious MD-PhD applicant to come from my college (small, liberal artsy, Augustana College in Illinois), I really had no idea if my application would be competitive. So I played it safe with some mid-tier Midwestern MSTPs and tossed some lines out to many elite programs as well. I hoped to get somewhere around 12 interviews, and I figured that would give me a good chance of being accepted somewhere (note: those curious about the nitty-gritty of my application can see my MDApps; it's #17473).

To make a long story short, I was unexpectedly successful in getting interviews. I was offered 16 (15 MSTP). As planned, I went to 12 MSTP interviews. This number of interviews is a lot for a medical school applicant; it borders on lunacy for an MD/PhD applicant. But I do think I've learned a bit along the way, and so without further ado, here is some 'wisdom' from a grizzled veteran of the process.

Apply early! You will have the most options in terms of picking your interview dates, and this kind of flexibility can be incredibly helpful. Also, many schools begin accepting applicants early in the interview season, and in these cases, your chances of being accepted are higher the earlier you interview.

Get ready to miss a LOT of school/work. Almost everybody interviewing for MD/PhD programs is either a senior in college or working in a lab somewhere. Either way, you'll find it difficult and undesirable to leave home for some interview dates. Suck it up and go anyway if you think there's even a chance you'd enroll if accepted. One late problem set or bombed test won't kill you; missing out on a trip to a fantastic school to chat up faculty and eat a bunch of free food would be a major bummer. This is just a sacrifice you have to come to terms with. And don't be groaning about your back-home responsibilities while you're on the interview. Live in the moment and enjoy your mini-vacation! You've earned it, and you don't need that extra stress on Interview Day.

As a corollary to this, don't stress about flight stuff. Peak interview season is in winter, and it's likely that a few of your flights will be affected by weather delays or cancellations. Go carry-on only; it'll simplify your life. There's nothing you can do about the weather; always take extra reading material and don't freak out when Mother Nature interferes with your plans.

Test the waters. Apply broadly. Try some reach schools. If you don't have a strong location bias, apply all around the country. Interview season, for me, doubled as a whirlwind primer to U.S. travel. If I hadn't thrown out applications to all corners of the country, who knows when I would have gotten to see San Francisco, NYC, Seattle, Nashville, etc., for the first time? Even if it ends in a rejection, you will take home some sweet memories.

Interviewing advice. Okay, here's the big category. MD applicants blanch when they learn that instead of 2/3 interviews over one afternoon, their MD-PhD counterparts endure as many as 8-9 interviews over 2-3 days. Maintaining composure, grace, enthusiasm, and eloquence over the course of an interview weekend can be challenging. Here are the main types of interviews and how, in a nutshell, not to bomb them.

Faculty members - The bread and butter of an MD-PhD interview day. Faculty interviewers are sometimes handpicked by the applicant, sometimes by the program director, and sometimes totally at random from a pool of willing faculty. They will almost certainly ask you The Big Two questions: 1) Why do you want to do an MD-PhD?, and 2) Tell me about your research. If you can answer both these questions well, you're 90% of the way to a successful interview. But every applicant can put together some cogent response to these questions. How do you make yours stand out? The key is to be communicative in non-rhetorical ways. Anybody who watched the televised 'apology' Tiger Woods made this past week (Feb. 19, 2010) knows that his speech fell flat because his inflections and body language were completely nonexistent. Despite contrite language, Tiger's voice was lifeless and jilted, and thus incredibly unconvincing. You don't have to be a research robot to get into an MD/PhD program; be a vibrant, passionate human being! Your interviewer will be more likely to stay engaged (though some will probably nod off no matter what you do). And instead of offering an awkward verbal explanation of how passionate and excited you are about science, they'll be able to see that passion for themselves.

MD/PhD student - Some programs utilize these, some don't. They are a GREAT opportunity for you to get a sense of what a program is like from the students' perspective - take advantage of this! But on the flip side, don't treat these interviews as less important than your others, because they almost never are. Be yourself, and be professional.

MD/PhD administration - At most schools, program leadership will want to get you one-on-one for at least a short while. Whether it's the director or an associate director, this will always be your most important interview of the day. They will probably start off by hitting you with the Big 2 questions, and then try to assess whether or not you are a good 'fit' for the program. This might have slight variations from school to school, but generally has to do with making sure you are seriously committed to a research career and have a sense of how you would take advantage of the university's resources. You are a research investment in a very real, financial sense (some programs make this more explicit than others) and the job of program administrators is to craft a portfolio that will yield returns.

Medical school interview - The second most dreaded interview type for MD/PhD applicants, who are deathly afraid of being asked questions like "If you had $1 billion, what would you do?" or "Tell me about a time when you were compassionate". Smile, make a good first impression, and have a few clinical anecdotes at the ready just in case your interviewer tries to assess your "motivations for a career in medicine". Remember, your goal is to make your interviewer (likely a physician) feel like they are talking to a future colleague.

MD/PhD committee interview - Invariably the most stressful interview type. Only a few schools (e.g. Washington, WashU, Harvard HST) utilize committee interviews. The committee interview has an obvious advantage for the program (every applicant gets evaluated in a standardized setting by the same committee), but for the applicant, sitting at the head of a table surrounded by 10+ faculty can be terrifying. And when applicants get nervous, they ramble. For this reason, your #1 goal in a committee interview should be precision of speech. Be articulate and confident, and say what you want in one or two different ways, not seven or eight. I found these interviews to be most manageable if I ignored the ten sets of eyes staring at me and addressed the questioner directly. The upside of the committee interview is that it is generally quite short (10-15 minutes), so it'll be over before you know it.

Most applicants don't need this advice, as they're mostly well-adjusted, intelligent, personable individuals. But I can see how reading something like this might assuage the nerves of an applicant in the nascent stages of the cycle. To these people: good luck and have fun!!
 
Nice post! Another nod to the concept that your undergrad institution does not matter much, if at all, in this game.

My only suggestion is not to really try to feel things out about a program when interviewing with an MD/PhD student directly. In fact, don't ask really hard questions in interviews or questions that might show up a program's weak points. This is awkward for the interviewer. For students especially, most student interviewers are really loose and are just looking for "is this someone I could be a classmate with?" In other words, loosen up yourself and chat with them. When I student interview, the interviewees are often very stiff and it drives me crazy.

The best time to try to figure things out about a program is at the social events, especially if you can find a mid-level to senior student. The first years you will meet (and they will be mostly first years) will be enthusiastic but won't really know jack squat about the program.

In general there are two types of faculty interviews.

1) MD/PhD committee members -- These you will know off the bat. They ask the hard questions. Why MD/PhD? Tell me about your research? Etc...

2) non-committee members -- These are snoozers. They will probably talk about themselves for a half hour to an hour and you just have to try not to fall asleep. I found reading up on these interviewers before the interview to be a waste of time, but your mileage may vary.
 
Echoing neuronix, you really don't need to kill yourself reading papers from your interviewers. If you want to talk about their research (or if you have no choice, which is often the case), just asking a leading question like "I saw that you work on x, y, and z..." is often enough to get them all fired up and talking away. Then your job is just to stay awake and occasionally interject with a reasonable question or comment to let them know that you can follow a scientific discussion. You won't be quizzed (I've heard of RARE exceptions) so don't stress it too much.
 
But maybe I'm not the best person to listen to since I got rejected by UMinn.

That actually makes you exactly the person I want to talk to. Do you have any idea why you got rejected? Do you think your interview hurt your chances or was it something else? I've talked to a current student and she said that if you are invited to interview then you already have the credentials and they just want to make sure you're sane and also passionate enough to not drop out, but I'm sure they invite a few people to interview that are kind of borderline on paper.

Thanks everyone else for your responses! This is very useful!
 
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I've talked to a current student and she said that if you are invited to interview then you already have the credentials and they just want to make sure you're sane and also passionate enough to not drop out, but I'm sure they invite a few people to interview that are kind of borderline on paper.

The current student is probably talking feel good nonsense. ~85% of the people (made up number based on reality) a program interviews will be sane and passionate enough at interview. But the program to make sure it fills will invite far more than the number of students they can possibly accept to their program. The reality is you're all very hard to sort out in person. MD/PhD applicants are a very strong bunch to begin with and there's no way to sort you all out in a few half hour or hour long interviews. A few people will really shine (~10%) and a few people will be totally nuts (5%) and the interview might help or hurt them. Everyone else is evaluated mostly based on their application.

But don't think about this too hard. These decisions are often made pretty quickly, sometimes on snap judgements, usually as a close call between many qualified people, and often by one person at a program. That one person may be different from the one person sitting next to them, who if they had your application and/or interviewed you might have accepted you. There's a certain amount of randomness because there are often no set acceptance policies and even when there are adcoms still have personalities and are looking for things based on their own backgrounds and beliefs.
 
But the program to make sure it fills will invite far more than the number of students they can possibly accept to their program.

Now that I'm officially freaked out due to the rest of your post, could you give me some sort of ballpark about the numbers here? i.e. approximate number of interviews vs. approximate number of acceptances (not matriculants). I can't find any schools that post this data online.

I know it will be different everywhere but it will make me feel less anxious if I have a general idea of where I have to rank among how many people.
 
It's always funny when applicants ask that question at interviews, because it's an entirely reasonable question and program admins almost always either give politician-non-answers or lowball the number. None of them want to articulate the reality that with the exception of the very top programs, they all have to admit at least 3 times as many applicants as the size of their class.

A couple examples off the top of my head to give a sense of this:

Harvard and UCSF: ~90-95% yield (eg they might accept 15 for a class of 14)

Hopkins: Interviewed 63, accepted ~20-25 with funding when it was all said and done last year (class of 12)

WashU: interviewed ~100, accepted ~70 (class of ~25)

The lower the tier, the higher the proportion of accepted applicants who applied as a 'safety' and the lower the yield (as a general rule, though location factors also play a role).

Translation: This is not worth worrying about for two reasons. One, programs admit a lot of applicants relative to their program size. Two, it's completely out of your hands!! It was easier for me to just treat admissions as a black box. Knowing or not knowing your mathematical odds of acceptances doesn't change them one bit. 😎
 
That actually makes you exactly the person I want to talk to. Do you have any idea why you got rejected? Do you think your interview hurt your chances or was it something else? I've talked to a current student and she said that if you are invited to interview then you already have the credentials and they just want to make sure you're sane and also passionate enough to not drop out, but I'm sure they invite a few people to interview that are kind of borderline on paper.

Thanks everyone else for your responses! This is very useful!

No idea why. It's possible I might not feign enthusiasm well. I got 7 interviews and 7 wait lists. My #s were all >= avg.

Good luck out there.
 
Ok, I have another question. I keep reading about behavioral interviews and the use of the STAR technique, in which a question is asked and you're supposed to respond with the Situation/Task, Action that you took, and Result of your actions. Some examples I've seen:

Describe a problem you had in a healthcare setting and how you went about solving it.
Describe a time when you were faced with a stressful situation that demonstrated your coping skills.
Give an example of a time when you had to make a split-second decision.
Give an example of when you showed initiative and took the lead.

These are very difficult for me to answer, mostly because I can't think of many situations that I've been in like this. Do MD/PhD interviewers ask these, or is it mostly just MD-only? The interviews I'm having this week are all 30-minute interviews, so I'm assuming it will mostly be talking about my motivations and research.
 
Good to know, thanks! I got this from a short online course about interviewing from the Health Careers Center at the University of MN. Their advice is directed towards applicants to Nursing, Dentistry, Pharmacy, and Medical schools (No MD/PhD), though, so it's hard to know what applies and what doesn't.
 
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