Investment portfolio has some cash.... When is it time to buy bonds?

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So my retirement account right now has only SPY s&p 500 tracking stock. I was reading on an SDN anesthesia thread recently that some of you have mixed allocations of say 50 / 50 stocks and bonds, and you wait until there is a significant stock market pull back / bond market rise and you'll sell the higher priced bonds and buy some stocks while they are cheap. What is this strategy called?

For someone who only has stocks, when is the best time to enter the bond market and follow the above mentioned strategy? Do you go for corporates or munis or what? And what rating / yield do u usually go for?
 
So my retirement account right now has only SPY s&p 500 tracking stock. I was reading on an SDN anesthesia thread recently that some of you have mixed allocations of say 50 / 50 stocks and bonds, and you wait until there is a significant stock market pull back / bond market rise and you'll sell the higher priced bonds and buy some stocks while they are cheap. What is this strategy called?

For someone who only has stocks, when is the best time to enter the bond market and follow the above mentioned strategy? Do you go for corporates or munis or what? And what rating / yield do u usually go for?

If you are a med student you don't need bonds. Stick with a diversified stock portfolio. If you must buy bonds then how about an emerging market bond fund or a foreign bond fund?

Finally, there are some great moderate allocation funds which do all the work for you. These funds own stocks and bonds. Let one of them do the work for you.
 
So my retirement account right now has only SPY s&p 500 tracking stock. I was reading on an SDN anesthesia thread recently that some of you have mixed allocations of say 50 / 50 stocks and bonds, and you wait until there is a significant stock market pull back / bond market rise and you'll sell the higher priced bonds and buy some stocks while they are cheap. What is this strategy called?

For someone who only has stocks, when is the best time to enter the bond market and follow the above mentioned strategy? Do you go for corporates or munis or what? And what rating / yield do u usually go for?


Jack Bogle, the founder of Vanguard investments, basically does his age in bonds and the rest in the stock market. Since he is about 80 years of age now, he is 80% bonds and 20% stocks.

You can't time the market, if you could you wouldn't be asking some gas docs. You can only control costs. Vanguard funds has some of the cheapest funds in the industry.
 
So my retirement account right now has only SPY s&p 500 tracking stock. I was reading on an SDN anesthesia thread recently that some of you have mixed allocations of say 50 / 50 stocks and bonds, and you wait until there is a significant stock market pull back / bond market rise and you'll sell the higher priced bonds and buy some stocks while they are cheap. What is this strategy called?

For someone who only has stocks, when is the best time to enter the bond market and follow the above mentioned strategy? Do you go for corporates or munis or what? And what rating / yield do u usually go for?

What you're referring to in the first paragraph is rebalancing. Essentially, you decide on a particular asset allocation (% equities, % bonds at a minimum) and when market fluctuations of one or both pushes your held percentages far enough from your desired percentages, you sell whatever you have too much of and buy what you don't have enough of.

Actually, historically over the long term, it doesn't seem to make much difference if you rebalance just once per year, or monthly, or when your asset allocation slips outside your desired bands.

There's not much place for timing in this strategy, except when it comes to factors that don't involve predictions of which way the market might go (like tax considerations).

If you're 100% in anything and want to shift a significant portion of that to something else, you can divide the sales and purchases over a period of time, dollar cost averaging, which reduces the odds a momentary blip in the market will distort what you did. But it probably doesn't matter.

I only own low-cost no-transaction-fee bond index funds, and I-bonds through treasurydirect.gov. I don't feel the need to get more complicated than that. Since my taxable accounts are a tiny fraction compared to my tax deferred and exempt accounts, I haven't really concerned myself with the tax-efficiency of different types of bonds. (I-bonds, though not in a tax advantaged account, are by their nature tax-deferred already, and state-tax exempt.)

I don't own individual stocks, because I don't think I know anything the market doesn't.

Vanguard has had low cost index funds for a long time, and most people point to them as probably the best option available. Lately some of the Schwab ETFs have the lowest fees out there. (Excepting TSP which is only available to federal workers and military.)


Of course, the best predictor of investment growth is savings rate, which has nothing to do with specific stock or bond choices. As a group, doctors seem to invest poorly not so much because they choose IBM or Apple vs Treasuries or munis, but because they choose BMW. (I too have been guilty of this, but you've got to live your life, too.)
 
What you're referring to in the first paragraph is rebalancing. Essentially, you decide on a particular asset allocation (% equities, % bonds at a minimum) and when market fluctuations of one or both pushes your held percentages far enough from your desired percentages, you sell whatever you have too much of and buy what you don't have enough of.

Actually, historically over the long term, it doesn't seem to make much difference if you rebalance just once per year, or monthly, or when your asset allocation slips outside your desired bands.

There's not much place for timing in this strategy, except when it comes to factors that don't involve predictions of which way the market might go (like tax considerations).

If you're 100% in anything and want to shift a significant portion of that to something else, you can divide the sales and purchases over a period of time, dollar cost averaging, which reduces the odds a momentary blip in the market will distort what you did. But it probably doesn't matter.

I only own low-cost no-transaction-fee bond index funds, and I-bonds through treasurydirect.gov. I don't feel the need to get more complicated than that. Since my taxable accounts are a tiny fraction compared to my tax deferred and exempt accounts, I haven't really concerned myself with the tax-efficiency of different types of bonds. (I-bonds, though not in a tax advantaged account, are by their nature tax-deferred already, and state-tax exempt.)

I don't own individual stocks, because I don't think I know anything the market doesn't.

Vanguard has had low cost index funds for a long time, and most people point to them as probably the best option available. Lately some of the Schwab ETFs have the lowest fees out there. (Excepting TSP which is only available to federal workers and military.)


Of course, the best predictor of investment growth is savings rate, which has nothing to do with specific stock or bond choices. As a group, doctors seem to invest poorly not so much because they choose IBM or Apple vs Treasuries or munis, but because they choose BMW. (I too have been guilty of this, but you've got to live your life, too.)

I hear everything you're saying, dude.

I'm gonna reiterate:

BUY TOBACCO STOCKS.

Why?

1) They are recession proof.
2) They make an addictive product that users will buy before they buy diapers for their kid/food/pay rent
3) In addition to their stocks rising in price (albeit slow), they pay a dividend.

I bought big positions in MO and BTI five years ago.

I continue to add shares current day.

MO pays a near FIVE PERCENT DIVIDEND 🙂eek🙂...

Look at their prices five years ago, look at their prices now, think about 5% annual on top...

You'd pee yourself if I showed you my Charles Schwab statements LOL!!!

And tobacco stocks, particularly MO and BTI,

will continue to go NORTH because of above mentioned 1) and 2).

BUY NOW, forget about them, and in five years we'll speak again.

Know what I'll be saying to you?

YOU'RE WELCOME.😀

Yeah, I know... we're doctors, tobacco, blah blah blah

I invest to make benjamins.

Don't hate the player

HATE THE GAME
 
I hear everything you're saying, dude.

I'm gonna reiterate:

BUY TOBACCO STOCKS.

🙂

I don't invest with a social conscience, so I've got nothing against tobacco stocks or other sin stocks. They're included in various index funds I own.

I just don't think I know anything the market as a whole doesn't. The market knows cigarettes are recession proof, that they're addictive, and that dividends are paid. Nothing you wrote about tobacco stocks is unknown to the market; consequently I have no reason to believe that their current stock price doesn't already account for those factors.


Some people can pick stocks and beat the market. Most can't. Even the great majority of experts who get paid to pick stocks with other people's money (ie, active mutual fund managers) underperform the market as a whole. Some day traders make money, most don't.

I don't see anything wrong with picking a few individual stocks, or picking a sector to put $ in (health care, energy, tobacco, whatever), so long as it's a small part of a diversified portfolio. I just don't see the point. I don't think you're getting anything significant to offset the extra volatility (risk) you take with an individual stock.
 
🙂

I don't invest with a social conscience, so I've got nothing against tobacco stocks or other sin stocks. They're included in various index funds I own.

I just don't think I know anything the market as a whole doesn't. The market knows cigarettes are recession proof, that they're addictive, and that dividends are paid. Nothing you wrote about tobacco stocks is unknown to the market; consequently I have no reason to believe that their current stock price doesn't already account for those factors.


Some people can pick stocks and beat the market. Most can't. Even the great majority of experts who get paid to pick stocks with other people's money (ie, active mutual fund managers) underperform the market as a whole. Some day traders make money, most don't.

I don't see anything wrong with picking a few individual stocks, or picking a sector to put $ in (health care, energy, tobacco, whatever), so long as it's a small part of a diversified portfolio. I just don't see the point. I don't think you're getting anything significant to offset the extra volatility (risk) you take with an individual stock.

Somebody has been spending some time on the Bogleheads forum.👍
 
Jack Bogle, the founder of Vanguard investments, basically does his age in bonds and the rest in the stock market. Since he is about 80 years of age now, he is 80% bonds and 20% stocks.

You can't time the market, if you could you wouldn't be asking some gas docs. You can only control costs. Vanguard funds has some of the cheapest funds in the industry.
You are too young to have a lot in bonds you should be more aggressive.
Index funds are not sexy but the principal behind them is sound.


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