IRR Mobilized!!

[island doc]

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While at church this morning I met a US military IRR member who has been notified of his mobilization and will be sent to Iraq. This individual had already separated from active duty and placed into the IRR and is now being reactivated. President Bush has just recently authorized the mobilization of the IRR!!

Look out those of you who have not resigned your commission, better start packing your bags!!!!

 

[colbgw02]

While at church this morning I met a US military IRR member who has been notified of his mobilization and will be sent to Iraq. This individual had already separated from active duty and placed into the IRR and is now being reactivated. President Bush has just recently authorized the mobilization of the IRR!!

Look out those of you who have not resigned your commission, better start packing your bags!!!!

I saw a special on 60 minutes - I think - about 6 months ago about IRR mobilization, specifically about people that didn't show up to report. As such, I'm pretty sure that IRR mobilization isn't something extremely new in this conflict, although you may be speaking specifically about physicians.

 

[iatrosB]

While at church this morning I met a US military IRR member who has been notified of his mobilization and will be sent to Iraq. This individual had already separated from active duty and placed into the IRR and is now being reactivated. President Bush has just recently authorized the mobilization of the IRR!!

Look out those of you who have not resigned your commission, better start packing your bags!!!!

😱 It suddenly turns from a "year for year" committment into a lot more!

 

[R-Me-Doc]

While at church this morning I met a US military IRR member who has been notified of his mobilization and will be sent to Iraq. This individual had already separated from active duty and placed into the IRR and is now being reactivated. President Bush has just recently authorized the mobilization of the IRR!!

Look out those of you who have not resigned your commission, better start packing your bags!!!!

IRR has been getting called up piecemeal for at least the past year, mostly in "critical need" MOS (most of the one's I've encountered have been combat engineer types). I have not run in to any medical people called up through IRR (yet).

RMD 82 days remaining! Orders in my hot little hands!

 

[dpill]

While at church this morning I met a US military IRR member who has been notified of his mobilization and will be sent to Iraq. This individual had already separated from active duty and placed into the IRR and is now being reactivated. President Bush has just recently authorized the mobilization of the IRR!!

Look out those of you who have not resigned your commission, better start packing your bags!!!!

Started quite some time ago: (article from AP)

Updated: 6:04 p.m. ET Jan. 9, 2006
WASHINGTON - The Army on Monday began moves to expel dozens of reserve soldiers who failed to report for duty months after being mobilized for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, in effect serving notice to hundreds of others that they could face penalties for ignoring or refusing orders to return to active duty.

The proceedings mark a turning point in the Army’s struggle to contact, train and deploy thousands of Individual Ready Reserve soldiers, nearly half of whom have requested a delay in returning, asked to be exempt or simply ignored their orders.

The soldiers in this category of reserve status, who have served previously on active duty but have not completed their eight-year service obligation, are different from those in the National Guard or Reserve, and they are rarely mobilized.

The Army began mobilizing them in the summer of 2004, reflecting the enormous strain it felt in providing enough soldiers for Iraq at a time when it was becoming apparent that no early withdrawal was likely.

So far, mobilization orders have been issued for more than 5,700 IRR soldiers since mid-2004.

 

[A1cfox21]

This is what happens when you join the ARMY. I haven't heard of this happening in the other branches and specifically the AF, which I just left. BUT regardless of anything, if you signed on the dotted line, you knew what you were doing. It's explicitly stated that called ups are possible while in the IRR. Folks without LEGIT reasons for not being able to respond to a callup should be prosecuted.

 

[orbitsurgMD]

This is what happens when you join the ARMY. I haven't heard of this happening in the other branches and specifically the AF, which I just left. BUT regardless of anything, if you signed on the dotted line, you knew what you were doing. It's explicitly stated that called ups are possible while in the IRR. Folks without LEGIT reasons for not being able to respond to a callup should be prosecuted.

[Bolds mine]

Not necessarily true. This issue goes to the question of full, fair and timely disclosure of the nature of the contract obligation. And just because you signed the contract doesn't mean that the specific possibility of being called up from the IRR was ever mentioned. Also, the services don't automatically remove your name from the IRR rolls once you have fulfilled your eight year reserve obligation. The services don't tell you that, either. I think on that basis, a good case could be made for bad faith or at least deception.

Just because the contract papers got signed doesn't mean the contract is good or that a proper "contract" even exists. I really wonder whether the IRR would hold water as a proper contract since nothing is being given by the military for the service demanded; these "members" aren't being paid and aren't receiving any kind of benefit either. IRR is not active reserves.

Prosecute? That's laughable. That would be a public relations disaster. If they went to court and lost, even once, that could undo a significant component of the reserves' manning--and the only one they don't actually pay for.

 

[usnavdoc]

I havent heard of any physicians getting called up from IRR. Guess its possible, but for those of us that are seperating as a GMO after paying back our ADSC they could only recall you as a GMO and seeing as there is no shortage of GMOs I dont see that happening. If it did and there are GMOs out there who have never deployed sitting in some cush stateside clinic(as there are many of) that would be a great congressional.

The big thing to remember downline is to resign your commision as you near your IRR end of service date. The military would love to keep you on their roster as a specialist and activate you later if you forget.

 

[pgg]

seeing as there is no shortage of GMOs I dont see that happening.

True for the moment ... but with 50% of HPSP scholarships going unfilled of late, I wonder if there won't be a big GMO shortage starting about 5 years from now. Those bodies will have to come from somewhere.

That is something I would think about if I was considering accepting an HPSP scholarship today.

 

[usnavdoc]

True for the moment ... but with 50% of HPSP scholarships going unfilled of late, I wonder if there won't be a big GMO shortage starting about 5 years from now. Those bodies will have to come from somewhere.

That is something I would think about if I was considering accepting an HPSP scholarship today.

Yeah there will be a shortage but i think first you will see realignment of the available billets. I mean why do they need GMOs in nondeployable billets in a clinic somewhere. I think you will see shoreside support units, hospital and base gmo billets, and branch clinic billets go away. And if you dont and they are still detailing gmos there and opting for IRR guys who have already done there time to deploy yet again, thats when the congressionals will come. Inappropriate use of manpower.

Regardless I feel very safe for the next 3 years as I finish residency. Then I will resign and go on to fellowship or private practice.

 

[DRDARIA]

Yeah there will be a shortage but i think first you will see realignment of the available billets. I mean why do they need GMOs in nondeployable billets in a clinic somewhere. I think you will see shoreside support units, hospital and base gmo billets, and branch clinic billets go away. And if you dont and they are still detailing gmos there and opting for IRR guys who have already done there time to deploy yet again, thats when the congressionals will come. Inappropriate use of manpower.

Regardless I feel very safe for the next 3 years as I finish residency. Then I will resign and go on to fellowship or private practice.

Can't say how the navy does it, but when the army is short of something in deployable slots and they pull them out of the clinics, etc, they use the IMA to backfill. In fact, at an organization I used to work for (Army organization), one of our civilian employees was an IMA somewhere else-- so he got called up to go fill that slot despite the fact that he was working for the Army already! Another was IMA at our organization, so he just started wearing his uniform to work every day and got better benefits, had to start doing PT with us, etc. So the fact that there are plenty of people stateside doesn't mean somebody won't get called up-- they may just be called up to fill in stateside.

 

[usnavdoc]

Can't say how the navy does it, but when the army is short of something in deployable slots and they pull them out of the clinics, etc, they use the IMA to backfill. In fact, at an organization I used to work for (Army organization), one of our civilian employees was an IMA somewhere else-- so he got called up to go fill that slot despite the fact that he was working for the Army already! Another was IMA at our organization, so he just started wearing his uniform to work every day and got better benefits, had to start doing PT with us, etc. So the fact that there are plenty of people stateside doesn't mean somebody won't get called up-- they may just be called up to fill in stateside.

I agree with what your saying. And the navy does it as well. But the GMOs that Im talking about arent needed in the first place. They are extra help at places that utilize FPs. So if they need additional manpower they would call up FPs not a GMO. What Im saying is that when the GMO deficit is finally felt by the Navy I think you will see these billets get realigned and close, thereby freeing up the GMO pool to be 100% deployable as it should be. I mean seriously staffing a ETOH rehab clinic with 3 GMOs right across the street from NMCP. Pretty stupid use of resources.

It may not happen but I can assure you I would talk to my Congressman/Senator before I allowed myself to be pulled out of residency yet again to be a GMO.

 

[GMO2003]

I havent heard of any physicians getting called up from IRR. Guess its possible, but for those of us that are seperating as a GMO after paying back our ADSC they could only recall you as a GMO and seeing as there is no shortage of GMOs I dont see that happening. If it did and there are GMOs out there who have never deployed sitting in some cush stateside clinic(as there are many of) that would be a great congressional.

The big thing to remember downline is to resign your commision as you near your IRR end of service date. The military would love to keep you on their roster as a specialist and activate you later if you forget.

I assume that the military would contact you by certified mail as you draw closer to your MDSO (Mandatory Service Obligation) with the IRR (Individual Ready Reserves)... seriously don't you get a letter in the mail from them asking you if you want to fully resign your commision?

 

[usnavdoc]

I assume that the military would contact you by certified mail as you draw closer to your MDSO (Mandatory Service Obligation) with the IRR (Individual Ready Reserves)... seriously don't you get a letter in the mail from them asking you if you want to fully resign your commision?

When have you ever known them to do anything that didnt benefit them.

 

[GMO2003]

When have you ever known them to do anything that didnt benefit them.

true...its almost like a cat and mouse game where they are waiting and hoping that you make a mistake and overlook something so they can latch onto you again...the other thing is the amazingly slow and inefficient process of my unit handling my resignation packet... 👎

 

[alpha62]

In the army, they don't advertise how to get out and stay out. The resignation process is at best, a maze.

You practically have to present yourself as a such a potential pain in the a$$, that you'll be more trouble than you're worth, if pulled back out of control group IRR and put on active duty again.

I faxed, sent certified letters, emailed and called St. Louis DAILY until I go the orders.

St. Louis said I was "paranoid" about being called back up, but then I processed a LOT of 60 year old doctors to Iraq in the weeks prior to discharge from active duty that didn't even know they were still obligated.

 

[militarymd]

In the army, they don't advertise how to get out and stay out. The resignation process is at best, a maze.

You practically have to present yourself as a such a potential pain in the a$$, that you'll be more trouble than you're worth, if pulled back out of control group IRR and put on active duty again.

I faxed, sent certified letters, emailed and called St. Louis DAILY until I go the orders.

St. Louis said I was "paranoid" about being called back up, but then I processed a LOT of 60 year old doctors to Iraq in the weeks prior to discharge from active duty that didn't even know they were still obligated.

Did I read you correctly? You processed 60 yo IRR MDs into active duty and on to Iraq?????

 

[cyclegirl]

I was told by a current Navy GMO that the Navy is short around 150 GMOs right now. So they do not have to wait 3-5 years to have the shortage.

 

[chopper]

In the army, they don't advertise how to get out and stay out. The resignation process is at best, a maze.

You practically have to present yourself as a such a potential pain in the a$$, that you'll be more trouble than you're worth, if pulled back out of control group IRR and put on active duty again.

I faxed, sent certified letters, emailed and called St. Louis DAILY until I go the orders.

St. Louis said I was "paranoid" about being called back up, but then I processed a LOT of 60 year old doctors to Iraq in the weeks prior to discharge from active duty that didn't even know they were still obligated.

This I find hard to believe. I'm not saying it isn't true, but hard to believe. Especially the a LOT part. I would expect if a LOT of 60 year old docs were being called up, it would make headlines somewhere. I also tend to think the military would call up docs more recently out of service, who I am sure would raise an unholy hell. Do you know of any references that would confirm this?

The Navy makes it relatively easy to resign your IRR. I had no problem, and was promoted on the way out to boot.

 

[alpha62]

Did I read you correctly? You processed 60 yo IRR MDs into active duty and on to Iraq?????

It happens....

http://www.wtvynews4.com/news/headlines/1132402.html


Early on in the call up 2003 or so, they knee jerked on some of the call up and didn't realize how difficult and time consuming it was going to be to credential after they got the warm body to appear.

An yeah, I used to be in the USNR. I would forget to send in my license and they would send nastygram stating out was out of inactive reserve... next month I'd get a promotion in the mail.

 

[island doc]

It happens....

http://www.wtvynews4.com/news/headlines/1132402.html


Early on in the call up 2003 or so, they knee jerked on some of the call up and didn't realize how difficult and time consuming it was going to be to credential after they got the warm body to appear.

An yeah, I used to be in the USNR. I would forget to send in my license and they would send nastygram stating out was out of inactive reserve... next month I'd get a promotion in the mail.

My 80+ year old WW II veteran father in law recently received notice from the army inviting him to return to active duty!

 

[chopper]

It happens....

http://www.wtvynews4.com/news/headlines/1132402.html


Early on in the call up 2003 or so, they knee jerked on some of the call up and didn't realize how difficult and time consuming it was going to be to credential after they got the warm body to appear.

An yeah, I used to be in the USNR. I would forget to send in my license and they would send nastygram stating out was out of inactive reserve... next month I'd get a promotion in the mail.

They say in the article that he voluntarily accepted a call up. I don't know if it is just him being a gentleman and taking it with grace, or if it was an optional thing. But it is interesting nonetheless.

Didn't they bring in a bunch of WWII and Korea vets back into the service in the 80's when the re-habbed the battleships? Seemed like no one on active duty knew how to use the old Fire Control Systems or something. Not the same, but the military has pulled back people in the past.

 

[alpha62]

The one that got me was a menopausal nurse pulled on active duty. She came through my line at the mob site telling everybody she could that she had some type of kidney disease couldn't go to SWA.

I was about ready to give her a no go until this could be sorted out, when a senior officer tapped me on the shoulder and ordered me to "send her anyway"

The senior officer turned to the nurse and said " you see the guy behind you, he's a Nephrologist and he's going to the same place you are, perfect ! "

 

[YoungO4]

Hi

I'm ETSing with 5 years primary care in the Army.

I'm starting my second residency as a civilian, but I've got 3 years left IRR.

Anyone hear of recent PHYSICIAN IRR callups?