Is a DPN worth it rather than MD?

[URIRAM]

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Hey guys, I am a rising freshman at undergrad and I am thinking of pursuing my RN degree rather than my bachelor's degree so I can get into a "Doctor of Nursing" program. Is it worth it to get an RN and then a DNP rather than a BS/BA and go through all the trouble to get a 'chance' of acceptance at a medical school? No MCAT, No stress in Medical school applications and No fear of being denied because of too much competition (seriously, they built like 105 DNP programs in 10 years and only 150+ medical schools in 50 years!).

Is it worth it to drop the MD goals all together and a get a nearly equivalent degree.

I have to make this decision now because once I start my BS degree I cannot get into the RN program at my college. I need as much help as possible.

I asked this in the pre-medical section, because I think this is the best section to ask.

 

[sylvanthus]

Hey guys, I am a rising freshman at undergrad and I am thinking of pursuing my RN degree rather than my bachelor's degree so I can get into a "Doctor of Nursing" program. Is it worth it to get an RN and then a DNP rather than a BS/BA and go through all the trouble to get a 'chance' of acceptance at a medical school? No MCAT, No stress in Medical school applications and No fear of being denied because of too much competition.

Is it worth it to drop the MD goals all together and a get a nearly equivalent degree.

I have to make this decision now because once I start my BS degree I cannot get into the RN program at my college. I need as much help as possible.

I asked this in the pre-medical section, because I think this is the best section to ask.

You lost me at "nearly equivalent degree." Do your research and look into the actual courses taken.

Do you want to take the easy, backdoor route or the route that best prepares you to care for patients independently?

 

[gatorade848]

Hey guys, I am a rising freshman at undergrad and I am thinking of pursuing my RN degree rather than my bachelor's degree so I can get into a "Doctor of Nursing" program. Is it worth it to get an RN and then a DNP rather than a BS/BA and go through all the trouble to get a 'chance' of acceptance at a medical school? No MCAT, No stress in Medical school applications and No fear of being denied because of too much competition (seriously, they built like 105 DNP programs in 10 years and only 150+ medical schools in 50 years!).

Is it worth it to drop the MD goals all together and a get a nearly equivalent degree.

I have to make this decision now because once I start my BS degree I cannot get into the RN program at my college. I need as much help as possible.

I asked this in the pre-medical section, because I think this is the best section to ask.

take the easy way out then... its a MD forum what do you think the responses would be?

 

[sinombre]

Is it worth it to drop the MD goals all together and a get a nearly equivalent degree.

What do you mean by "nearly equivalent"?

 

[URIRAM]

What do you mean by "nearly equivalent"?

Doctor=Doctor (Prestige Equality)
MD scope of practice=DPN scope of practice (Work Equality)
MD Salary=/=DPN (No salary Equality)

Therefore I call it "nearly equivalent"

Yes, I know I asked this in the MD section, I also asked this in many other forums. This is how I get different opinions from different views.

(No trolling intended)

 

[deleted6669]

do a bit of research. this is what you will find:
MD/DO>>>PA>>>>>>>>>NP

 

[Geebeejay]

do a bit of research. this is what you will find:
MD/DO>>>PA>>>>>>>>>NP

entirely untrue...would like to know where you did your research.

All of these have their drawbacks and perks, but in the end, the MD/DO is the top of the ladder which means they have the final call, but they also take the most heat when things go wrong.

 

[911 Turbo]

entirely untrue...would like to know where you did your research.

All of these have their drawbacks and perks, but in the end, the MD/DO is the top of the ladder which means they have the final call, but they also take the most heat when things go wrong.

Maybe look at his signature?

 

[maybemed2013]

It base on you. I know I would NEVER want to be a nurse ( both my parents are nurses and I would just NEVER do it.)
I don't want to be a nurse because they lack so much science background, yes they may know how to care for their patients but they don't know what rxns are occurring in their patients body when they prescribe them a certain medicine.

I am that type of person that likes to know all, so I just can not do nursing if MD doesn't work out for me I know I am going to become a medical physicist ( I just realize this today)

 

[sylvanthus]

entirely untrue...would like to know where you did your research.

All of these have their drawbacks and perks, but in the end, the MD/DO is the top of the ladder which means they have the final call, but they also take the most heat when things go wrong.

Did you do your research on allnurses? Look at the clinical training hours between PAs and NPs. Actually look at this.

 

[gerdman]

No nurse, even with a doctoral degree, will ever be considered a physician. Only MDs/DOs are physicians and are treated as such.

 

[Iso4ane]

Doctor=Doctor (Prestige Equality)
MD scope of practice=DPN scope of practice (Work Equality)
MD Salary=/=DPN (No salary Equality)

Therefore I call it "nearly equivalent"

Yes, I know I asked this in the MD section, I also asked this in many other forums. This is how I get different opinions from different views.

(No trolling intended)

If you go compare to a PCP maybe, but the specialist docs (IMO) get to do all the fun stuff. Something you will unlikely see as a DNP.

 

[Vigil]

Dude, as an RN going into a NP program (MSN level, don't plan on taking any DNP coursework), honestly it's like 70% BS and the rest 30% is actual clinical science. Nursing in general is full of fluff EZ-mode courses that are a waste of tuition because the powers that be want to show how "holistic" and "caring" the profession is.

If you want the DNP (which IMO, is a money sink propagated by the ANA and university to suck up more monies in lieu of babby level coursework) go for it, but don't lie to yourself believing that you'll accrue the same level of prestige and acknowledgement as an MD/DO. Heck, I'd say even PA's get more respect. Nurses are the low man on the totem pole here.

ALSO, keep in mind that you will probably not have an actual RN job ie acute care until 6-8months after your licensure anyway provided you live around a metropolitan area. Almost all new grads are strapped for jobs.

If you want something less stressful than MCATs and all that jazz, take a 2 year paramedic course and the GRE and concurrently major in some science and apply to PA school. At least you'll get a better clinical education with less crap. I've had to pretty much go above and beyond to learn in terms of gathering outside resources (borrowing friends med school texts and lectures ect) and references what I need to in order to feel somewhat competent. I find most NP students are either RNs that really know their stuff and will make great clinicians or complete idiots (larger percentage) that I wouldn't trust to treat a cough.

 

[Doctor246853]

I did'nt read your thread but the answer is no. Hands down.

 

[oceanillusion42]

doctor=doctor (prestige equality)
md scope of practice=dpn scope of practice (work equality)
md salary=/=dpn (no salary equality)

therefore i call it "nearly equivalent"

yes, i know i asked this in the md section, i also asked this in many other forums. This is how i get different opinions from different views.

(no trolling intended)

absolutely untrue

 

[typicalindian]

Is it worth it to drop the MD goals all together and a get a nearly equivalent degree.

I lol'd

 

[sinombre]

Doctor=Doctor (Prestige Equality)

No. Not even close to true. The term "doctor" isn't what gives an MD prestige.

MD scope of practice=DPN scope of practice (Work Equality)

Even less true. They don't have anywhere near the same scope of practice.

MD Salary=/=DPN (No salary Equality)

True.

 

[Ironmandoc]

I call troll. 100%. Look at the join date and the thread topic designed to start a NP vs PA vs DO vs MD debate.

I'd say 3/10.

:troll:

 

[Haislip]

I call troll. 100%. Look at the join date and the thread topic designed to start a NP vs PA vs DO vs MD debate.

I'd say 3/10.

:troll:

I second

 

[FlaminHotER]

Nearly equalivent???

 

[Geebeejay]

Maybe look at his signature?

Ya I can't believe that a PA would think MD>>>PA>>>>>>>>NP

There is no >>>>>>, and the NPs I work with are in many ways much better than some of the MDs and PAs.

 

[Verum]

I call troll. 100%. Look at the join date and the thread topic designed to start a NP vs PA vs DO vs MD debate.

I'd say 3/10.

:troll:

Thirded. I call troll.

 

[Political]

The DNP who tells patients to call him or her "doctor" gets no respect from all

 

[moneytree]

Doctor=Doctor (Prestige Equality)
MD scope of practice=DPN scope of practice (Work Equality)
MD Salary=/=DPN (No salary Equality)

Therefore I call it "nearly equivalent"

Yes, I know I asked this in the MD section, I also asked this in many other forums. This is how I get different opinions from different views.

(No trolling intended)

MD = DPN in prestige and scope of practice? Sure bro. Go DPN and let us know how it works out.

 

[Doctor246853]

Ya I can't believe that a PA would think MD>>>PA>>>>>>>>NP

There is no >>>>>>, and the NPs I work with are in many ways much better than some of the MDs and PAs.

Why not? Im a PCT and I can tell you that RN>>>LVN>>>>>>>PCT. Why wouldn't a PA state the above? Its true. Sure you may know some NPs that are more competent than docs and PAs but thats on a individual level. Im more c.ompetent that some RNs I work with. In the medical field it is...MD/DO>>>>PA>>>NP>RN>LVN>PCT/CNA>transporter

 

[Mosa]

No nurse, even with a doctoral degree, will ever be considered a physician. Only MDs/DOs are physicians and are treated as such.

Thank you! I'm sure I'm not the only one who is insulted by OP's nearly equivalent bit. We are all here working our butts off to become doctors to be told that it is nearly equivalent to a nurse?! Really? Wow.

 

[Doctor246853]

The DNP who tells patients to call him or her "doctor" gets no respect from all

And its not just DNPs bro. The RNs that wear the long coats never correct the patient when they say " Oh I have to get off the phone, my doctor is here".

 

[Ellie Arroway]

Be a nurse if you really want to be a nurse. If you want to do advanced practice nursing, do that. The FNP was created to alleviate primary care physician shortages by opening a new path for people who were already established in nursing careers. Otherwise the time spent in school is not appreciably different.

I have a lot of friends in nursing/nursing school and they seem to believe that the DNP is extra didactic (non-clinical) fluff and it makes more sense to just get your MSN and practice practice practice.

 

[TipToad]

If you want to be a doctor, go to medical school. If you want to be a nurse, go to nursing school.

Problem solved.

 

[Geebeejay]

Why not? Im a PCT and I can tell you that RN>>>LVN>>>>>>>PCT. Why wouldn't a PA state the above? Its true. Sure you may know some NPs that are more competent than docs and PAs but thats on a individual level. Im more c.ompetent that some RNs I work with. In the medical field it is...MD/DO>>>>PA>>>NP>RN>LVN>PCT/CNA>transporter

Lol, the quote of mine you boldened was sarcasm, I was commenting on of course a PA would be inclined to say PA>>>NP. All I'm saying is you can't compare PAs and NPs on a level of which is arbitrarily "better". They have entirely different types of training, and are simply different.

And FYI RNs with white coats aren't typically practicing nurses....they are typically department chairs and supervisors (at least that's the case in my experience).

 

[Parklife]

Why are people replying to this thread?


OP, go become a nurse.

 

[Doctor246853]

Lol, the quote of mine you boldened was sarcasm, I was commenting on of course a PA would be inclined to say PA>>>NP. All I'm saying is you can't compare PAs and NPs on a level of which is arbitrarily "better". They have entirely different types of training, and are simply different.

And FYI RNs with white coats aren't typically practicing nurses....they are typically department chairs and supervisors (at least that's the case in my experience).

Yeah buddy, after years of working with them I am quite aware of that.

 

[FattySlug]

You guys got trolled. Hard

 

[Ost3oclast]

Equivalent? Sure OP...just like ND and MD are equivalent.

 

[Geebeejay]

Yeah buddy, after years of working with them I am quite aware of that.

Then are you insinuating that nursing supervisors wear white coats to impersonate doctors? Hopefully I am misunderstanding your remarks, or you seem to have quite a delusional agenda against nursing staff.

 

[HoltMD]

Perhaps OP found the MD/DNP equivalency information on Forbes. They just came up with a list of highest paying jobs for women. According to the list, pharmacists made more than physicians. 😱

People in this country are getting dumber and lazier by the second. A pharmacist told me that his education surpassed an MDs and that is why MDs are afraid that PharmDs will take their jobs in the near future.

 

[Ironmandoc]

Perhaps OP found the MD/DNP equivalency information on Forbes. They just came up with a list of highest paying jobs for women. According to the list, pharmacists made more than physicians. 😱

People in this country are getting dumber and lazier by the second. A pharmacist told me that his education surpassed an MDs and that is why MDs are afraid that PharmDs will take their jobs in the near future.

If it wasn't for MDs and DOs prescribing medications, that PharmD wouldn't have a job...

 

[Geebeejay]

If it wasn't for MDs and DOs prescribing medications, that PharmD wouldn't have a job...

Yeah, then they wouldn't have anyone's mistakes to correct 🙂.

For reals though, pretty short sighted to suggest PharmDs will eventually replace MDs

 

[circulus vitios]

I like how SDN calls every post a troll post, except for the most obvious troll posts.

 

[sector9]

Thread closed as the OP has been banned.