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Pharmacist role will be expanding as well. You can do some many things with a PharmD now-a-days.

Can you name something else a PharmD can do that:

• isn't actually already mandatory (MTM)
• something another healthcare professional does (vaccinate, BP)
• CDTM? That's ****ing RIDICULOUS. Literally acting like a doctor/PA/NP.

I can't. And in NYS, the vaccination is gonna be expiring soon, 2012. That changes the definition of who we are.

 

[gotdrugs]

Can you name something else a PharmD can do that:

• isn't actually already mandatory (MTM)
• something another healthcare professional does (vaccinate, BP)
• CDTM? That's ****ing RIDICULOUS. Literally acting like a doctor/PA/NP.

I can't. And in NYS, the vaccination is gonna be expiring soon, 2012. That changes the definition of who we are.

Just curious, how is CDTM "****ing RIDICULOUS?"

It's not literally acting like a doctor/PA/NP - it's acting like a pharmacist.

Wow two days ago I found out I was a unicorn in another thread.

This morning I am finding out I'm a ****ing ridiculous unicorn "literally" acting like a doctor/PA/NP.




PS - I just thought of something, I can sell myself as a reality show, a ****ing ridiculous unicorn pharmacist who literally acts like a doctor/PA/NP.


Oh, just an FYI - MTM isn't mandatory, you are getting that confused with OBRA methinks. And as far as "something other healthcare professionals can do." Well, then RNs, PAs, NPs are SOL as well. And even some branches of medicine are SOL if you want to use your logic. As far as vaccination expiring in 2012 in NYS, I don't know why you say that changes the definition of who pharmacists are, when 1) previously in the post you mention (correctly) that it can be done by other health-care providers (implying no need for pharmacists to do it), 2) that's happens in one - out of 50 - states which, to boot, is a state that isn't know for progressive pharmacy practice and 3) you really don't think the NYS pharmacy organizations aren't going to make a play to extend their vaccination rights?

You gotta be a troll, or someone who is really misinformed. I'm not the most optimistic person about pharmacy, but at least I have the experience, connections, and logic to put together my glood and doom scenarios.

 

[Praziquantel86]

Can you name something else a PharmD can do that:

• isn't actually already mandatory (MTM)
• something another healthcare professional does (vaccinate, BP)
• CDTM? That's ****ing RIDICULOUS. Literally acting like a doctor/PA/NP.

I can't. And in NYS, the vaccination is gonna be expiring soon, 2012. That changes the definition of who we are.

CDTM is not acting like a physician/midlevel at all. It allows us to exercise our expertise in the things we know - appropriate drug selection and optimization of medication use. I know you think that pharmacists are a waste of resources, but you don't have to lie and exaggerate to get your incredibly misinformed point across.

 

[confettiflyer]

I get what you are saying, but honestly the statement you are referring to does not even apply to retail/hospital. Experience counts, period. In every field/position. Anyone who thinks they can be replaced by someone with no experience either has too low an opinion of themselves or are in desperate need of being replaced. I don't think many people actually think that experience means so little.

Plus the costs to replace an existing employee are high. You're talking about training and incorporating someone into the department/company culture. Like someone pointed out, pharmacists retain the same salary most of the time, it's not like you're replacing a $100k/yr 20-year veteran high school teacher with a new $30k/yr no-seniority teacher.

Most places, if stuck with an uninspired but functional pharmacist, will keep them instead of rolling the dice bringing someone new in.

Man, the lack of reality on this board scares me.

 

[owlegrad]

Plus the costs to replace an existing employee are high. You're talking about training and incorporating someone into the department/company culture. Like someone pointed out, pharmacists retain the same salary most of the time, it's not like you're replacing a $100k/yr 20-year veteran high school teacher with a new $30k/yr no-seniority teacher.

Most places, if stuck with an uninspired but functional pharmacist, will keep them instead of rolling the dice bringing someone new in.

Man, the lack of reality on this board scares me.

Excellent point!

On both counts.

 

[CUpharmD2013]

Plus the costs to replace an existing employee are high. You're talking about training and incorporating someone into the department/company culture. Like someone pointed out, pharmacists retain the same salary most of the time, it's not like you're replacing a $100k/yr 20-year veteran high school teacher with a new $30k/yr no-seniority teacher.

Most places, if stuck with an uninspired but functional pharmacist, will keep them instead of rolling the dice bringing someone new in.

Man, the lack of reality on this board scares me.

This is why internships and/or rotations are so important for landing a job upon graduation. An employer will feel more comfortable about rolling the dice on a new pharmacist in order to replace an old/uninspired pharmacist if that new pharmacist proves themselves in some capacity during their limited amount of experience.

 

[PharmaTope]

This is why internships and/or rotations are so important for landing a job upon graduation. An employer will feel more comfortable about rolling the dice on a new pharmacist in order to replace an old/uninspired pharmacist if that new pharmacist proves themselves in some capacity during their limited amount of experience.

exactly! this is why being a student is better than doing residency. you get a 5 week job interview basically.

 

[lorain]

the advice is simple: differentiate yourself from the rest

perhaps residency, perhaps great contacts and performance on rotations, perhaps 2nd degree, perhaps nuclear, etc

 

[vash1012]

I get what you are saying, but honestly the statement you are referring to does not even apply to retail/hospital. Experience counts, period. In every field/position. Anyone who thinks they can be replaced by someone with no experience either has too low an opinion of themselves or are in desperate need of being replaced. I don't think many people actually think that experience means so little.

This! I would say it applies some to retail since plenty of students come out with enough "experience" to do fine as a retail pharmacist after a few weeks, but in a hospital? If you've worked in a hospital, you know it takes a long time before a new grad is competent to work as a hospital pharmacist. Thats why a lot of big hospitals require experience or a residency. You just can't walk into hospital pharmacy and expect to know anything.

 

[gotdrugs]

This! I would say it applies some to retail since plenty of students come out with enough "experience" to do fine as a retail pharmacist after a few weeks, but in a hospital? If you've worked in a hospital, you know it takes a long time before a new grad is competent to work as a hospital pharmacist. Thats why a lot of big hospitals require experience or a residency. You just can't walk into hospital pharmacy and expect to know anything.

Hmmmmmmmmm

methinks you should give a little more detail.

What is "doing fine after a few weeks" as opposed as taking "a long time...to be competent to work"

What do you consider "a few weeks" what do you consider "a long time", What do you consider "doing fine" as opposed to "competent to work"

I do agree retail tends to throw new grads into the fire more, but that does not make it an "easier" role.