Is it just me or is the whole admissions process random

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SDN being flooded with:

"Why was I rejected/held from X school / haven't heard from X schools / should I be worried / when should I be worried / how worried should I be / why did X invite me but Y reject me" threads lately.
Can they just be combined into just one mega-thread please :oops:
I don't think these threads are helpful to anyone or serve any useful function other than fan the flames of anxiety

This is why I am always reposting the timelime/process summary

********AMCAS 2020 Timeline Summary (post count #033)************
-AMCAS May 1, 2019, Primary application opens up. Can send formal requests for transcripts from your schools and letter requests to your letter writers.
-AMCAS May 30, 2019, Completed primary applications with all ECs, PS, and course information can be submitted.
-You enter the verification queue (“time to verify”) only when both completed primary application and all transcripts have been received.
-AMCAS does not, repeat, does not verify LOR or MCAT score. Your primary application will be verified regardless of LOR or MCAT score status
-AMCAS June 28, 2019, begins transmission verified applications (though some schools have secondaries sent to contact info upon submission to AMCAS)
-Verification peak is about August 1st and takes 20 days
-Most Primary Apps are transmitted early July thru early September
-Secondaries timelines can vary widely as to when to they are sent out from almost immediately upon submissions to 3 months, though most are in the range 1-3 weeks after transmission.
-Letters via AMCAS are processed/transmitted separately from primary
-Letters can be added after primary has been submitted and transmitted and are mostly not needed until secondary reviews at the earliest.
-While applications are transmitted at end of June, most schools do not start any processing until at least mid-July at the earliest; even then, most dont get up to full speed until mid-August.
-There are usually 3 main phases in processing application
----1) Initial Screening/Evaluation: A hybrid of automatic GPA/MCAT screen plus human for "quick review" of application. Used to for general priority and, in some cases, which team/subcommittee gets application. At some schools, preset criteria or informal policy can lead to II at this stage.
----2) Full Evaluation: This is where evaluator/reader/team/subcommittee will fully evaluate all sections of primary, secondary, and LOR and generally summarize in broad categories or point system. This essentially becomes your priority for adcom review and II. This function may be split up among several evaluators and may go to a team or subcommittee for II decision. Application are not typically evaluated until complete with Primary, Secondary, MCAT, and LOR
----3) Full adcom: this is where your fully evaluated application is reviewed and decided for interview invite After interview Adcom will vote on admission (acceptance or alternate WL)
-Application and candidate evaluations timeline varies widely by school may not done in a linear, chronological order. EDP, High achievers, URM, family of alumni, feeder schools, associated UG programs, linked postbaccs, and other factor may push an app forward in the process.
-Most adcoms dont start meeting for review of evaluated applicants until at least mid-August, more likely September, though some reviews may be done earlier for groups mentioned above. Evaluation may start almost immediately at some schools.
-Schools receive 5,000-10,000 application but can only evaluate several hundred applications a week. Therefore, it can take anywhere from 4-16 weeks (1-4 months) or more to be evaluated, reviewed and invited for interview after your application is complete.
-Schools must reduce several thousand applications to several hundred interviews.
At least 80% of applicants at any individual school must be rejected pre-interview.
-There are about 900,000 individual applications across 150+ medical schools with about 150,000 interview slots maximum. That means on average of 16 submitted applications only 3 will get an II.
-Applicants should check each applicant portal daily until application is marked complete, under review, or similar. After that, you should check applicant portal 2 to 3 times as week as schools may invite you for interview solely by portal; some schools do not send email for interview invite.
-Submitting Primary Application June is Early, July Medium, August Late
-Having Primary verified and transmitted to school by middle of August is normal speed
-Having Secondary and all LORs complete to school by Labor Day is early/ontime. By late or end of September is about middle/normal speed, by end of October is about late.
--After that point you will generally start getting impacted by the number of applications submitted, the finite number of interview slots, and seats given by rolling admissions. These aren’t absolute dates nor is it a fixed timeline. It should be used as a guideline
-Medical schools focus on evaluation and pre-II review up until approximately Thanksgiving. At that time they need to start transitioning to post-interview acceptance decision. However, with the increasing number of applications per school, some fraction of interview invites will continue into the new year.
-Medical schools cannot inform regular MD candidates of admission (acceptance or alternate) prior to Oct 15th. However, medical school can inform applicants of any other decision, such as rejection or hold, at any time from initial primary submission until past end of cycle. Do note that the only formal vote an admission committee need to make is for admission (acceptance or alternate/WL) and that is the only decision they must inform you about. A large fraction of applicants will never get a formal rejection; they will simply never get II or acceptance.

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I wonder if we will see OP in the spring complaining that he got waitlisted at all his schools
Wowie! what if you waitlisted at all of them? I’ve heard of that happening to some students like you.
I will be eagerly anticipating your updates.

Updates for the haters. I got an interview from NYU 2 weeks after I was put on hold. Was also accepted to uchicago and umich. So I’m feeling pretty good about myself :) Did get put on hold at case western tho lmao.
 
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Updates for the haters. I got an interview from NYU 2 weeks after I was put on hold. Was also accepted to uchicago and umich. So I’m feeling pretty good about myself :) Did get put on hold at case western tho lmao.

You really showed them!

But really this thread as a whole (not just this post) does a good job of demonstrating some of the less savory elements of SDN - entitlement, ego, arrogance. May med school knock some of that down for the benefit of your future co-workers and patients.
 
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Updates for the haters. I got an interview from NYU 2 weeks after I was put on hold. Was also accepted to uchicago and umich. So I’m feeling pretty good about myself :) Did get put on hold at case western tho lmao.

I pity your future classmates. It only takes one toxic medical student to bring down the entire class and suck all of the oxygen out of the room.
 
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You really showed them!

But really this thread as a whole (not just this post) does a good job of demonstrating some of the less savory elements of SDN - entitlement, ego, arrogance. May med school knock some of that down for the benefit of your future co-workers and patients.
I pity your future classmates. It only takes one toxic medical student to bring down the entire class and suck all of the oxygen out of the room.

There isn’t any entitlement, ego, or arrogance. I am confident and know that I am a strong applicant and will go on to be a very successful medical student and physician, and you say these things to bring me down. SDN is really good at making false assumptions about people, like those who said I would get waitlisted at all my schools, and the people who say I’ll get screwed during clinical years and residency. I come here with a legitimate question. Half of you give legitimate answers by saying that there is a degree of randomness to the admissions process. The other half doesn’t really have an answer and instead starts attacking my character. I also want to say something about toxicity. Being successful, ambitious, driven, and confident isn’t the same as toxic. Toxic people are those who bring others down to get to the top, which I don’t do.
 
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There isn’t any entitlement, ego, or arrogance. I am confident and know that I am a strong applicant and will go on to be a very successful medical student and physician, and you say these things to bring me down. SDN is really good at making false assumptions about people, like those who said I would get waitlisted at all my schools, and the people who say I’ll get screwed during clinical years and residency. I come here with a legitimate question. Half of you give legitimate answers by saying that there is a degree of randomness to the admissions process. The other half doesn’t really have an answer and instead starts attacking my character. I also want to say something about toxicity. Being successful, ambitious, driven, and confident isn’t the same as toxic. Toxic people are those who bring others down to get to the top, which I don’t do.

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There isn’t any entitlement, ego, or arrogance. I am confident and know that I am a strong applicant and will go on to be a very successful medical student and physician, and you say these things to bring me down. SDN is really good at making false assumptions about people, like those who said I would get waitlisted at all my schools, and the people who say I’ll get screwed during clinical years and residency. I come here with a legitimate question. Half of you give legitimate answers by saying that there is a degree of randomness to the admissions process. The other half doesn’t really have an answer and instead starts attacking my character. I also want to say something about toxicity. Being successful, ambitious, driven, and confident isn’t the same as toxic. Toxic people are those who bring others down to get to the top, which I don’t do.

Yeah you're not really helping your case bud
 
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