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for example, can you do a two week at madigan, and another at san antonio?
is it possible to split away rotation?
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no
here's the section outta the handbook
4-1. GENERAL.
a. This chapter prescribes training policy, administrative requirements and authorized ADT locations. The Student Management Office, Medical Education Directorate, is responsible for processing ADT requests for orders, amendments, revocations and cancellations depending on the orders status.
b. The Student Management Office staff is not authorized to process ADT requests for orders, amendments, revocations and cancellations that are not requested using the medical education web site.
c. The AR-PERSCOM Incentives Team is responsible for preparing and forwarding the orders to the students.
d. Students cannot perform ADT or any other type of military training without orders. Do not follow any verbal instructions to proceed without orders and contact the Student Management Office immediately if any such instructions are received.
4-2. CATEGORIES OF TRAINING. Students may perform non-active duty training (NADT) and active duty training (ADT). Selection of a site for an elective or clerkship should be based on the availability of a specific type of residency as well as the student's preference for geographic location. Certain electives fill quickly, so it is advisable to start as early as possible. Students must initially contact the Medical Education Office or point of contact for the appropriate health care discipline for the specific Army hospital to determine availability when arranging either an NADT or ADT rotation.
a. Non-active duty training (NADT) rotation. This is any rotation, elective or other training performed in a civilian or military facility when not on ADT. It is performed solely at the student's personal expense, discretion and coordination efforts. The Student Management Office does not monitor the NADT and an application is not required. Non-active duty electives can be performed in Army teaching hospitals only if a memorandum of agreement (MOA) is established between the respective hospital and the student's school. A request for a MOA should be coordinated between the student?s school administration and the Medical Education Office or other office for the appropriate health care program at the Army hospital where the elective is desired.
b. Active duty for training (ADT). This is ADT performed at government expense and must be conducted in accordance with the requirements and procedures described in this chapter.
(1) Although some prior service participants may hold a higher grade, the ADT is performed wearing the rank and receiving the pay of a second lieutenant (2LT).
(2) All tours performed at an Army facility must be for a minimum of 21 days (includes travel). The exception to this is for Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine first year medical students who are permitted to perform a 14-day ADT at Fort Leonard Wood, MO.
(3) Students may remain at the same training location beyond the 45-day period when the student obtains approval from the training site, but military ADT status will be terminated.
(4) ADT tours with other than the Army are not authorized, except for medical students who are approved for an interservice transfer to another military Service and preparing for the first year of graduate medical education selection board process.
(5) ADT tours overseas (Europe, Korea, Panama, etc) and ADT during the month of December at Tripler Army Medical Center are not authorized.
(6) Family member travel and transportation of firearms are not authorized.
(7) Only 1 ADT site may be visited during each 45-day period. For example, a student cannot split the 45-day ADT with 21 days at Brooke Army medical Center and 24 days at Madigan Army Medical Center. However, a 45-day tour may be split between two electives, which is not feasible when the tour length at an ADT site is shortened.
(8) Students performing ADT at school are only required to attend classes as usual. The wear of uniforms is not required.
(9) Students must select a different ADT site for each ADT. For example, a student cannot perform two 45-day ADT at Brooke Army medical Center.
c. Performance of ADT at military medical treatment facilities with graduate medical education and clinical psychology internship programs (CPIP) will assist students during the FYGME and CPIP application process.
4-3. FREQUENCY OF ADT.
a. Students are required to perform one 45-day ADT tour for each year of program participation, when adequate funding is available (i.e. 3-year recipients are authorized only 3 ADT tours). Those who do not apply to perform their ADT tour annually may forfeit the option of scheduling an ADT pursuant to funding limitations and will receive the lower stipend rate. This is particularly for psychology students who enter active duty while still HPSP participants. ADT tours may not be carried over into the following fiscal year. An ADT that has already been performed cannot be revoked for the purposes of obtaining an additional ADT in a current fiscal year.
b. Medical students are authorized to perform two consecutive (back-to-back) ADT tours at different training sites pursuant to paragraph 4-11d.
here's the section outta the handbook
4-1. GENERAL.
a. This chapter prescribes training policy, administrative requirements and authorized ADT locations. The Student Management Office, Medical Education Directorate, is responsible for processing ADT requests for orders, amendments, revocations and cancellations depending on the orders status.
b. The Student Management Office staff is not authorized to process ADT requests for orders, amendments, revocations and cancellations that are not requested using the medical education web site.
c. The AR-PERSCOM Incentives Team is responsible for preparing and forwarding the orders to the students.
d. Students cannot perform ADT or any other type of military training without orders. Do not follow any verbal instructions to proceed without orders and contact the Student Management Office immediately if any such instructions are received.
4-2. CATEGORIES OF TRAINING. Students may perform non-active duty training (NADT) and active duty training (ADT). Selection of a site for an elective or clerkship should be based on the availability of a specific type of residency as well as the student's preference for geographic location. Certain electives fill quickly, so it is advisable to start as early as possible. Students must initially contact the Medical Education Office or point of contact for the appropriate health care discipline for the specific Army hospital to determine availability when arranging either an NADT or ADT rotation.
a. Non-active duty training (NADT) rotation. This is any rotation, elective or other training performed in a civilian or military facility when not on ADT. It is performed solely at the student's personal expense, discretion and coordination efforts. The Student Management Office does not monitor the NADT and an application is not required. Non-active duty electives can be performed in Army teaching hospitals only if a memorandum of agreement (MOA) is established between the respective hospital and the student's school. A request for a MOA should be coordinated between the student?s school administration and the Medical Education Office or other office for the appropriate health care program at the Army hospital where the elective is desired.
b. Active duty for training (ADT). This is ADT performed at government expense and must be conducted in accordance with the requirements and procedures described in this chapter.
(1) Although some prior service participants may hold a higher grade, the ADT is performed wearing the rank and receiving the pay of a second lieutenant (2LT).
(2) All tours performed at an Army facility must be for a minimum of 21 days (includes travel). The exception to this is for Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine first year medical students who are permitted to perform a 14-day ADT at Fort Leonard Wood, MO.
(3) Students may remain at the same training location beyond the 45-day period when the student obtains approval from the training site, but military ADT status will be terminated.
(4) ADT tours with other than the Army are not authorized, except for medical students who are approved for an interservice transfer to another military Service and preparing for the first year of graduate medical education selection board process.
(5) ADT tours overseas (Europe, Korea, Panama, etc) and ADT during the month of December at Tripler Army Medical Center are not authorized.
(6) Family member travel and transportation of firearms are not authorized.
(7) Only 1 ADT site may be visited during each 45-day period. For example, a student cannot split the 45-day ADT with 21 days at Brooke Army medical Center and 24 days at Madigan Army Medical Center. However, a 45-day tour may be split between two electives, which is not feasible when the tour length at an ADT site is shortened.
(8) Students performing ADT at school are only required to attend classes as usual. The wear of uniforms is not required.
(9) Students must select a different ADT site for each ADT. For example, a student cannot perform two 45-day ADT at Brooke Army medical Center.
c. Performance of ADT at military medical treatment facilities with graduate medical education and clinical psychology internship programs (CPIP) will assist students during the FYGME and CPIP application process.
4-3. FREQUENCY OF ADT.
a. Students are required to perform one 45-day ADT tour for each year of program participation, when adequate funding is available (i.e. 3-year recipients are authorized only 3 ADT tours). Those who do not apply to perform their ADT tour annually may forfeit the option of scheduling an ADT pursuant to funding limitations and will receive the lower stipend rate. This is particularly for psychology students who enter active duty while still HPSP participants. ADT tours may not be carried over into the following fiscal year. An ADT that has already been performed cannot be revoked for the purposes of obtaining an additional ADT in a current fiscal year.
b. Medical students are authorized to perform two consecutive (back-to-back) ADT tours at different training sites pursuant to paragraph 4-11d.
Whatever it is, it's not a hard limit. Everything in the military is waiverable. If you get into medical school they will probably take you, especially if you go Army or Navy. BTW, were you trying to start a new thread?
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The oldest guy in my graduating class, 43 at graduation, was Army HPSP.
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I am actually in the application process for a PhD program in Clinical Psych with emphasis in Health Psychology...I will be almost 46 when I graduate....I was wondering if I have a shot at the HPSP program?
Navy does not offer HPSP for Clin Psych, but I think the Army does.
