Is it REALLY that advantagous(sp?) to apply early?

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hey fellow SDNers,

I was talking to my sister about when to apply to med-school and she was very adament about applying within the first week applications were accepted by med-schools. During the first week of June I beleive.

She was telling me how it helps alot because the system is all based on rolling admissions and that med-schools are generally alot more forgiving to students that apply early.

Where this does make sense to me, it would really put a strain on my application process because I would rather be fully prepared and take the MCATS mid summer and also have the couple of extra classes from that spring and first summer session provided on my application.

what do you guys think? how do you weigh out my situation? and is it really THAT big a deal to be one of the first applicants?
 
I think there will be more stress on applying early due to the numerous amount of MCAT dates before the June 1 earliest submission date. In the past, most people took the April MCAT and were complete around July 1st. Now we will have a lot more people who can have their application complete in June.
 
hey fellow SDNers,

I was talking to my sister about when to apply to med-school and she was very adament about applying within the first week applications were accepted by med-schools. During the first week of June I beleive.

She was telling me how it helps alot because the system is all based on rolling admissions and that med-schools are generally alot more forgiving to students that apply early.

Where this does make sense to me, it would really put a strain on my application process because I would rather be fully prepared and take the MCATS mid summer and also have the couple of extra classes from that spring and first summer session provided on my application.

what do you guys think? how do you weigh out my situation? and is it really THAT big a deal to be one of the first applicants?


AHHH not this again....This is a depressing subject for me. I applied really late (October 15th, day after I found out I got a 40 on my MCAT and felt compelled). Sure it helps...But a to note thing:

Not all schools are rolling. The top schools definitely are not.

Good Day. Gunners, please commence to riddle this thread with bullets.
 
i think you need relatively "high" stats to have some sort of edge in applying early (ie 3.5, 30+). i dont think it helps people with sub-par stats (like me) much.
 
It helps for people who are borderline and/or for people with good stats who want to get into competitive schools. It's not going to help those that have crappy numbers and it probably won't make a difference if you are an amazing candidate. The old saying that the early bird gets the worm applies pretty well for med school applications.
 
It helps for people who are borderline and/or for people with good stats who want to get into competitive schools. It's not going to help those that have crappy numbers and it probably won't make a difference if you are an amazing candidate. The old saying that the early bird gets the worm applies pretty well for med school applications.

I agree...the average applicant will benefit most from applying early because there is less competition...if the average applicant applies late with a few spots remaining and a slew of above average applicants also turn in their secondaries late (ppl do hold on to them..i still have a few)...well suffice it to say the average applicant will not be accepted....applying early is advantageous because there are more seats open so the competition is not as strong...plus medical schools will not look down on applicants with their average numbers in the beginning...but in the end, the applicant pool might be above average so they will look for above average numbers...no matter what...unless you cant...apply early...it cant hurt
 
yes, it does. i am living proof. i really doubt i would have received as much love later in the process. its evident by the secondaries i filled out later. none of them have gotten back to me..

please, please, please apply early and save the forum from a million of the same "o my gosh im screwed" threads
 
hey fellow SDNers,

I was talking to my sister about when to apply to med-school and she was very adament about applying within the first week applications were accepted by med-schools. During the first week of June I beleive.

She was telling me how it helps alot because the system is all based on rolling admissions and that med-schools are generally alot more forgiving to students that apply early.

Where this does make sense to me, it would really put a strain on my application process because I would rather be fully prepared and take the MCATS mid summer and also have the couple of extra classes from that spring and first summer session provided on my application.

what do you guys think? how do you weigh out my situation? and is it really THAT big a deal to be one of the first applicants?


If your credentials are not strong, the timing won't make that much of a difference. But it's hard to deny that in a rolling process, your odds are always the best at the beginning, when no interviews and spots have been given out yet. In other words, your chances are always better when you are shooting for one out of 300 spots or one of 60. As such, I would say, yes, the folks on the cusp benefit from being early, but the strongest applicants will do fine at the end as well.
I would suggest, though, that the need to apply early sometimes gets overblown on SDN. When you get to med school, you will see that many, many of your classmates took the August MCAT or otherwise applied fairly late in the process. It's not like strong applicants don't get in at the end too. But if you are looking for any small edge, early is such an edge.
 
Helps, but being late doesn't put you out of the game as long as you have good credentials. if you dont, then its simply a matter of them having filled all the mediocre spots already
 
It helps a lot, especially if you have strong credentials. If you are weak, it won't make too much of a difference (you'll probably ger waitlisted). If you have strong stats and you wait, you could miss out on a spot regardless because when the class is filled, its filled
 
If anything, it'll feel good getting in really early (like some of those who got in October) and allow you to just coast for almost an entire year.
 
I was complete the first day for my primary and secondary. Check my mdapps below to see the result.
 
If nothing else it can save a lot of stress and concern later. Because I applied early I got an early interview and an acceptance on the first possible day. Which made the rest of the process a lot nice since I already knew I was in.
 
AHHH not this again....This is a depressing subject for me. I applied really late (October 15th, day after I found out I got a 40 on my MCAT and felt compelled). Sure it helps...But a to note thing:

Not all schools are rolling. The top schools definitely are not.

Good Day. Gunners, please commence to riddle this thread with bullets.

you got a 40 on the MCAT and are calling others gunners? 🙄

so yes, to the OP, by this logic all you need to do is get a 40 on the MCAT and you can apply whenever you like.

my actual advice would be to do what you think will get you the best MCAT score. a good MCAT later in the process will be better than a bad MCAT anytime in the process. If you think you'll only add a point or three to your score, then I would say apply early to assist you in the rolling admissions schools (which is most of them aside from the Ivies and a few other top schools...the kind you apply to in october with a 40 on the MCAT)
 
hey fellow SDNers,

I was talking to my sister about when to apply to med-school and she was very adament about applying within the first week applications were accepted by med-schools. During the first week of June I beleive.

She was telling me how it helps alot because the system is all based on rolling admissions and that med-schools are generally alot more forgiving to students that apply early.

Where this does make sense to me, it would really put a strain on my application process because I would rather be fully prepared and take the MCATS mid summer and also have the couple of extra classes from that spring and first summer session provided on my application.

what do you guys think? how do you weigh out my situation? and is it really THAT big a deal to be one of the first applicants?

a big fat YES
 
I can recall an AMSA conference where various deans of admission mentioned specifically that it was in your best interest to apply as early as possible. They explained that the longer one waited to apply, the more spots had been filled. Of course, as spots filled the competition increased for the remaining spots and it would become tougher to distinguish yourself as an applicant. I truly believe that my application would not have been viewed as favorably had I waited to submit my AMCAS and secondaries.
 
I applied very early, but my secondary essay writing was rudely interrupted by losing my home to Katrina, there was a few weeks when I had to focus on the chaos that ensued and I stopped submitting secondaries so the rest were submitted at the end of September and in October, . . . ALL of my acceptances came from secondaries submitted pre-katrina, as in before August 30th, I had one interview from a post katrina secondary and it turned into a waitlist. Its just conjecture but I think that if that secondary had been submitted earlier, I would have had a much better chance for an acceptance at that school than I did with an March interview.
 
YES. PLEASE APPLY EARLY. This was my biggest mistake. Schools like GWU and others that get so many apps end up putting so many people on hold after a certain point. I really think that I would have had a lot more interviews (thus a better shot at this) if I had been more on top of things. If i could repeat, I would work on amcas in May, finish it by june 1st and send in the application with one or a few schools (if i haven't made up my mind about the rest of the list). That way you're verified very fast. Then after mcat scores come out, etc., you can add any amount of schools and it doesn't take any extra time for amcas verification.

also, my other mistake was not having my letters of rec lined up in advance. turned out that when i asked one of my writers, he went on vacation and didn't come back until aug 1. so that delayed a lot.

seriously, it will save you a lot of waiting time and make this process so much easier and bearable, esp if you have borderline stats like me.
 
It helps for people who are borderline and/or for people with good stats who want to get into competitive schools. It's not going to help those that have crappy numbers and it probably won't make a difference if you are an amazing candidate. The old saying that the early bird gets the worm applies pretty well for med school applications.

i totally agree
 
I discuss my personal experience with late vs. early applications here.

If your credentials are not strong, the timing won't make that much of a difference....As such, I would say, yes, the folks on the cusp benefit from being early, but the strongest applicants will do fine at the end as well.
I would suggest, though, that the need to apply early sometimes gets overblown on SDN. When you get to med school, you will see that many, many of your classmates took the August MCAT or otherwise applied fairly late in the process. It's not like strong applicants don't get in at the end too.

I disagree. I think my stats as described in the link above are relatively strong (could be better, but they're alright) and so are my ECs. But my results from two different years were hugely different without any change in my credentials except that everything was one year older and my applications were timed differently (of course, I was at the extremes of applying in the last couple days of AMCAS last year and the first couple of days this year).



Not all schools are rolling. The top schools definitely are not.

Even though some of the well-known 'elite' schools (Yale, Columbia, Cornell, Duke, etc.) say they are non-rolling, my personal belief is that they are really just secretly rolling. I know from the dean of admissions at one of those schools that the committee meets weekly to decide on the interviews of the week before. Obviously, if you are interviewing hundreds of kids, you're not going to wait until March to go through all of them and make decisions; rather, they make them along the way and then give out their acceptances all in one batch. That may mean that they reserve a certain number of acceptances per week until at the end of the interview process they fill up 100 total acceptance, send those out in March, get the responses to those offers, and then more on to their second tier candidates, but that process is not much different than that of some rolling schools like Case Western, which hold off on giving out too many acceptances early on. Thus, if those elite school were kinder, they might free up more acceptance spots at other schools by accepting their weekly favorites as they go so that those kids don't hold on to offers from other schools as they wait for the elite schools to get back to them. Anyway, the bottom line still seems to me that even at these schools that profess to be non-rolling, they still make decisions as they go, they're just not transparent about it. Does that impact the chances of the late applicant? I think to some extent it might if those non-rolling schools periodically re-evaluate the applications they've already received in the context of the later applications, thus allowing the earlier applications to be viewed more times, with more chances to be put into the 'interview' pile. Obviously, 40s, 3.9s, years of volunteering in the Dominican, and groundbreaking publications are going to help you break through whether you apply in July or December, but most applicants (contrary to popular SDN lore) don't have such accolades.

If school's were truly 'non-rolling,' they would gather applications until December, cease to accept applications, go through all the material, make interview decisions, interview from January to March (inclusive), then have series of committee meetings in which they review all interviewed applicants and vote. I can (presumptuously) guarantee that no school does that.

That's my dime.
 
I applied as early as I possibly could, but was delayed a bit because my school didn't send out recs until Sept 11. I don't think it made too much of a difference-13/16 interview offers so far.
 
Admissions Tracker
(Updated 11/29/06)
Applications Received: 5203
Interviews
Offered: 575
Remaining: 225
Admissions
Offers made: 47%

(From the University of Michigan - love their transparency on the process).
I'd say that having almost half of acceptances go out already may suggest applying early cetainly helps (I also have an anecdote of a really smart, together, high-scoring friend who applied super late and didn't get accepted, but I prefer numbers.).
 
I think people on SDN hype applying early too much. At least from what I've read here, it seems like people feel the med school's standards raise by the day later in the cycle (so you need better stats later). I'd say they have the same admissions standards. They will give you and interview invite and possible acceptance if you meet and exceed what they're looking for. Are your odds better if you apply the first day possible vs. submitting secondaries and LORs on the last possible day? I'd say yes. If you're complete July vs. October, I don't see much of a difference. Schools have waitlists, which allows those applying later to have a chance.

You could look at it like on the first day, 100% of interview invitations are open so you have better chances. Then on the last possible day, say 1% of those are open. Statistically, you have a better chance early if this process randomly selected students. A person with a terrible applicatoin will not get an interview regardless of having 100x more interview spots open or not. That's what I'm trying to get at.
 
I disagree. I think my stats as described in the link above are relatively strong (could be better, but they're alright) and so are my ECs. But my results from two different years were hugely different without any change in my credentials except that everything was one year older and my applications were timed differently (of course, I was at the extremes of applying in the last couple days of AMCAS last year and the first couple of days this year).

Interesting, but one person's experience can never prove or disprove a rule governing an applicant pool of many tens of thousands.
 
hey fellow SDNers,

I was talking to my sister about when to apply to med-school and she was very adament about applying within the first week applications were accepted by med-schools. During the first week of June I beleive.

She was telling me how it helps alot because the system is all based on rolling admissions and that med-schools are generally alot more forgiving to students that apply early.

Where this does make sense to me, it would really put a strain on my application process because I would rather be fully prepared and take the MCATS mid summer and also have the couple of extra classes from that spring and first summer session provided on my application.

what do you guys think? how do you weigh out my situation? and is it really THAT big a deal to be one of the first applicants?

Not necessarily the first week but if you can take the MCAT early and apply by June/August it will pay off in the long run. More than likely you will be sitting with multiple acceptances, given that you have good stats, by December and be stress free 🙂. Also, you will be done with secondaries by the time school starts. Doing secondaries while in school will make you spend less time on them depending on your load.

On the other hand if you feel more comfortable, and feel you will score a better MCAT if you applying toward the middle of the cycle by all means do it.
 
Interesting, but one person's experience can never prove or disprove a rule governing an applicant pool of many tens of thousands.

True, but empirical evidence trumps even the most thought-out conjecture.
 
It might not matter in terms of your success, but i means the world to your sanity. Applying in June means that you get september/october interviews and november/december decisions. It's great to go into spring semester with at least your interviews done (or almost done), and maybe even an acceptance under your belt. The longer you wait, the more it seems to just drag on and on . . . .
 
.. and on and on and on..
 
It might not matter in terms of your success, but i means the world to your sanity. Applying in June means that you get september/october interviews and november/december decisions. It's great to go into spring semester with at least your interviews done (or almost done), and maybe even an acceptance under your belt. The longer you wait, the more it seems to just drag on and on . . . .

Amen
 
I was complete the first day for my primary and secondary. Check my mdapps below to see the result.
Uhh...whoa...it does not look like it really helped a lot...your MCAT is fantastic and you're still getting rejections left and right (although a lot of schools probably average your two MCATs so they're counting you as a 34.5?).
 
Uhh...whoa...it does not look like it really helped a lot...your MCAT is fantastic and you're still getting rejections left and right (although a lot of schools probably average your two MCATs so they're counting you as a 34.5?).

'So just imagine if I applied late,' may be what he's saying.
 
I think people on SDN hype applying early too much. At least from what I've read here, it seems like people feel the med school's standards raise by the day later in the cycle (so you need better stats later). I'd say they have the same admissions standards. They will give you and interview invite and possible acceptance if you meet and exceed what they're looking for. Are your odds better if you apply the first day possible vs. submitting secondaries and LORs on the last possible day? I'd say yes. If you're complete July vs. October, I don't see much of a difference. Schools have waitlists, which allows those applying later to have a chance.

You could look at it like on the first day, 100% of interview invitations are open so you have better chances. Then on the last possible day, say 1% of those are open. Statistically, you have a better chance early if this process randomly selected students. A person with a terrible applicatoin will not get an interview regardless of having 100x more interview spots open or not. That's what I'm trying to get at.
You're also ignoring the fact that schools have a historical record of what their application rates are like...so they know when the most apps will come in. And thus they're unlikely to hand out all their interviews early, if they know they get a lot of strong applicants late.

It's not like it's the first time they're doing this, lol. Like "Oops...we gave out all the interviews and it's only week 2! Doh!"

They also have a good idea already of what's a strong applicant and what's a weak applicant for their school, so if you're a weak applicant you'll be weak in week 1, and still weak the last week. And in both cases they'd know they'll get better applicants than you.

So to be honest I think people are overblowing this whole applying early thing. When I called up Dartmouth they definitely didn't seem to react as if anybody who was still bothering was screwed, lol. Of course they might just want my money, but just the vibe was definitely not one of doom. (I'm 99% sure I'll get rejected anyways, but it won't be because I applied late, I'm just way out of my league)
 
You're also ignoring the fact that schools have a historical record of what their application rates are like...so they know when the most apps will come in. And thus they're unlikely to hand out all their interviews early, if they know they get a lot of strong applicants late

Actually, sometimes they screw up. There's really no predicting this process perfectly from year to year. Just ask UVA why last year's entering class was so large and filled with so many out-of-state kids.
 
Actually, sometimes they screw up. There's really no predicting this process perfectly from year to year. Just ask UVA why last year's entering class was so large and filled with so many out-of-state kids.

A lot of schools experienced this. I'm not sure I would call it a "screw up", as much as a bad guess. Historical evidence is not an exact science, particularly when you are trying to increase your class by X% and the applicant pool increases by Y% and credentials change each year by Z%. They took a stab at it and were off the mark.
 
A lot of schools experienced this. I'm not sure I would call it a "screw up", as much as a bad guess. Historical evidence is not an exact science, particularly when you are trying to increase your class by X% and the applicant pool increases by Y% and credentials change each year by Z%. They took a stab at it and were off the mark.

I mean what you say. My bottom line is I respectfully disagree with Cirrus83's analysis in the cited post.
 
Apply early. That gives you time to prepare for interviews or finishing secondaries. For some of us who work and are out of school, finding time to do 20 or so secondaries and preparing for interviews at the last minute would be hell.

Also if you get in early, you could possibly be interviewed and accepted early. Then you can come here and post in the official threads and feel like a big shot.
 
Actually, sometimes they screw up. There's really no predicting this process perfectly from year to year. Just ask UVA why last year's entering class was so large and filled with so many out-of-state kids.

Well, the schools do have a bit of a harder time predicting how many people who they gave acceptances to will take them. So if a lot of their acceptances got rejected elsewhere this year they might end up with a lot more than usual.

As far as who they'll hand out acceptances to, that's probably fairly similar year to year.

Still, they obviously can goof up anyways, but this could work in your favor or against you either way.

Example: Last year's applicant pool was awesome, but this year's is significantly worse-and you applied early. In this case, they might think that their applicant pool is gonna be super sweet and just diss you early on, not realizing that this year's pool is a lot weaker. And in this case it might actually help to be a straggler who walks in after they've realized that they have no choice but to start taking weaker applicants.
Of course the opposite coudl also be true, last year's applicant pool might have been kinda crappy, but all of a sudden this year a lot of strong applicants will apply. In this case if you're in early they might not realize that the rest of the applicants will be strong yet, so they might accept you if you're just as good as the average accepts from last year. Whereas in this case applying late would bite you in the ass.

But since you have no chance in hell of predicting any of this (nor do the schools even), it's fairly silly to try lol.

Anyways, my real point is that they schools most likely do adjust significantly for when the most apps will come in, so it's not like all the spots will be gone as soon as they have enough apps they figure are decent enough. It might still help to be early, but it's probably not the end of the universe either to be late.
 
Well, the schools do have a bit of a harder time predicting how many people who they gave acceptances to will take them. So if a lot of their acceptances got rejected elsewhere this year they might end up with a lot more than usual.

I'm curious how you quantify this and how you know this. Any corroborating evidence. All I have it what UVA told me, but it is emprical evidence, not conjecture based on my vast powers of reasoning (sorry L2D).

What I do reason is this: If they can't even predict from year to hear who of the people that they interviewed will come to their school, how could they possible know when people they've never even heard of before will apply? Many if not most of the applicants who apply every year are different than the ones who applied the year before, no? And the ones that are reapplying (cue me) may drastically change the point in the cycle at which they apply. Thus, since the applicants from year to year are most unrelated to one another, how can they predict the numbers. I submit (though evidence could indeed prove me wrong) that there is great year to year fluctuation about when applications come in.



Still, they obviously can goof up anyways, but this could work in your favor or against you either way.

If they can goof up either way, for or against the applicant, and there is no way to predict in a given year how they will goof up, it seems that applying early is still the best idea statistically because there is at least some evidence, anecdotal or not, that early applications have an edge.

Yes/no?
 
Your avatar is hot. where did you get that?
 
it's not a big deal if you don't submit the AMCAS until July, but yes, it definitely matters if you wait until October, or God forbid, the very, very last minute.
 
I'm curious how you quantify this and how you know this. Any corroborating evidence. All I have it what UVA told me, but it is emprical evidence, not conjecture based on my vast powers of reasoning (sorry L2D).

What I do reason is this: If they can't even predict from year to hear who of the people that they interviewed will come to their school, how could they possible know when people they've never even heard of before will apply? Many if not most of the applicants who apply every year are different than the ones who applied the year before, no? And the ones that are reapplying (cue me) may drastically change the point in the cycle at which they apply. Thus, since the applicants from year to year are most unrelated to one another, how can they predict the numbers. I submit (though evidence could indeed prove me wrong) that there is great year to year fluctuation about when applications come in.

If they can goof up either way, for or against the applicant, and there is no way to predict in a given year how they will goof up, it seems that applying early is still the best idea statistically because there is at least some evidence, anecdotal or not, that early applications have an edge.

Yes/no?
I already agreed that applying earlier would probably be better anyway, it's the last sentence of my previous post, so you can calm down about it.

Anyways, you can use statistics to do more than just wild guessing, so if statistically for the last 20 friggin' years, most of the apps ended up coming in during the month of October, there would have to be some kinda freak occurence for anything else to happen.

Whereas, you have no statistics as to who will take your acceptance or not, since every year it's different people you accepted. Thus you do what you can do and hand out that # of acceptances that previous year's statistics would back up, then you hand out enough waitlists in case too many people reject your acceptance. The only scenario that you cannot correct for with this is if TOO many people took an acceptance, which is what happened in your earlier example.

So keep trashing my posts as conjecture or whatever you want to, but your theory that the schools can't predict anything about their applicant pool is probably even more ridiculous. Oh, and it's not complete conjecture because I know that's how undergrad admissions works, since I knew a lot of people in our undergrad admissions office. Of course, it could be true that they decided to use a dartboard for admissions at the med school instead, because that would be a much better idea :idea:

Oh and I never stated that the schools actually had specific months with the highest # of apps, I was just using that as an example. They probably do though. And, you can look at publically available statistics to see how many people applied year to year, and you'll see that it's pretty dang predictable. They might be off but it wouldn't be by a lot, so your whole thing about them not being able to predict anything is a little silly.
 
I discuss my personal experience with late vs. early applications here.

wow, 3 vs. 10 interview is a huge difference. Did you apply to the exact same set of schools though?
 
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