Is it smart to share your DAT experience with others?

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This conversation had happened yesterday at the Dental School admin office. The person, another pre-dent student, told me that majority people who scored high 20+/20+/20+ don?t share information with people on this forum. They don?t want to give the ?ammunition? to their competition. They will gladly share their experience next year or after they will be accepted to the DS of their choice. Some even wrote down all important points, so they won?t forget by next year. Would you agree with this assumption?
 
No, I don't agree. Just do searches for the past 3 months, and there's tons of good info from a lot of high scoring folks. Either you're a contributor or you're not. It doesn't have anything to do with being competitive or overly competitive...at least IMO.
 
There is a small kernel of truth in that you can hurt yourself by helping others in the SDN forum succeed. I share my knowledge for two reasons: 1) I don't suck at life, 2) Everyone on the SDN forums helps each other with what they know best. One may loses a competitive advantage if other people have higher DAT scores because of you help, but most likely you have gained from their help too.
 
I'll share my study secrets with you if you want. The bottom line, though, is that I studied and practiced like a maniac for the thing, and anyone else willing to do the same will be competition for me whether they have my "secrets" or not.
 
edkNARF said:
One may loses a competitive advantage if other people have higher DAT scores because of your help, but most likely you have gained from their help too.
I totally agree. Its like studying or working in a group. Helping out others has a synergistic effect on your own performance. And i look at it this way...You're not hurting yourself by helping others, your're hurting the people who aren't getting any help. Trust me, there are penty of people who aren't using SDN forums that are applying to dental school who are in the bottom half statistically.

Bottom line...it takes a lot of hard work no matter what. There's no trick or tips that can compensate for that.
 
Trust me, with my GPA, it dont matter how many DAT secrets you give me...I wont impede anyones progress towards dental school.

I do appreciate the help though 😀 , and of course, I would give back to this forum in any way I could.
 
Rezdawg said:
Trust me, with my GPA, it dont matter how many DAT secrets you give me...I wont impede anyones progress towards dental school.

I do appreciate the help though 😀 , and of course, I would give back to this forum in any way I could.



Haha.....same here
 
I think that every point counts. We are all shooting for the limited amount of the acceptance letters. Especially, if you're trying to get to the school like Columbia, UCLA or U Penn. The difference in a few points, let say PAT 21, 22 or 23, may write your ticket for the interview/acceptance for the school. Just imagine that a few angle problems or lack of them will change your future destination. I would love to see someone who scored high on PAT (23 or above) post his or her recommendations.
 
atlanta478 said:
I would love to see someone who scored high on PAT (23 or above) post his or her recommendations.
I've posted my suggestions before - a couple are a little unorthodox, but they worked for me. Here you go:

First suggestion I'll make, which may sound silly, is to play video games that are visually intensive, like Halo or whatever you like. In one of my wife's college psychology texts it specifically discussed studies which correlated playing video games with higher scores on the PAT section on the DAT. Also, consider this article from MSNBC, amongst other sources:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4685909/
One thing this article does not discuss is that video game players are actively using their visual/spatial intelligences, which is what you are using on the PAT.

Second suggestion, and this saved my butt bigtime (a friend gave me this method the day before the test), is to get a good system for the cube counting. DO NOT read the question before looking at the cubes. What I mean by this is that you shouldn't look at the question to see how many sides it wants, then randomly scan the cubes for how many three-sided cubes there are. You have to tally the entire structure first. The way I did it went something like this: before the test I practiced scanning the cubes in a methodical manner (e.g., furthest left column, then the one behind it, then behind it, etc.). Then, mark the number of sides for each cube. Example:

4
3 3 2
2 0 3 2
2 1 4 1

And so on. The first column is four cubes high, the next two are three cubes high, and the last one is two cubes high. After tallying the cubes like this, I could look at the question, and if it asked for twos, I'd put a slash through each two and count it as I went. This method allows for tons of speed and accuracy if you can work it out right - it let me rip through the cube counting.

Another suggestion, and I've made this comment on a few other threads, is to use visualization as much as you can. Turn the room upside down, imagine where the furniture would be, etc. What would a mirror image look like? While I was driving down to Vegas one time I practiced imagining what the landscape would look like if I turned it upside down, then sideways, then backwards (I almost got in a wreck at one point doing this, so be careful). I think that this correlates to the PAT because you're essentially doing the same thing in the real test: turning objects around in your mind.

For the pattern folding section, I'd suggest looking at the examples in the PAT tests you have and practice folding them over and over, then unfolding them over and over, then flipping them around in your head all over the place. Imagine what it would look like from every angle. It was a serious mental strain to do this sometimes, but I think it helped.

Besides this, you obviously need to take as many PAT practice tests as you can. In my opinion, absolutely anything you can do to improve your visual/spatial intelligence will help you score better on the PAT.
 
Typo,

That is a sweet msnbc article. I'm going to show it to my wife . . . I knew video games would pay off eventually. As a side note, I'm looking forward to the day when I can hook the xbox up to a giant plasma screen and save the world from aliens, and then return to my day job of taking care of people's teeth.
 
atlanta478 said:
I think that every point counts. We are all shooting for the limited amount of the acceptance letters. Especially, if you're trying to get to the school like Columbia, UCLA or U Penn. The difference in a few points, let say PAT 21, 22 or 23, may write your ticket for the interview/acceptance for the school. Just imagine that a few angle problems or lack of them will change your future destination. I would love to see someone who scored high on PAT (23 or above) post his or her recommendations.

This is the biggest pile of garbage I have ever heard. You actually think your destination will matter of you score a 20 on the pat or a 23? Believe or not buddy, the dental admission boards from across the country look at the total package (interview, lor, experience, life experience, etc). I made a 26/21 on the DAT and chose a school where i am surrounded by intelligent first year classmen who made 17 and 18's on ther DAT. If you don't want to contribute anything to this forum, don't. But to not advise others because they are the "compitition", is a really lame excuse if you ask me. These people you are helping are going to be your colleagues for the rest of your professional life.
 
atlanta478 said:
I think that every point counts. We are all shooting for the limited amount of the acceptance letters. Especially, if you're trying to get to the school like Columbia, UCLA or U Penn. The difference in a few points, let say PAT 21, 22 or 23, may write your ticket for the interview/acceptance for the school. Just imagine that a few angle problems or lack of them will change your future destination. I would love to see someone who scored high on PAT (23 or above) post his or her recommendations.

Since you asked if anybody with PAT 23 or above shared his experience. You are in luck today. Yah-E, I am pretty sure you know him if you hangout here, got 24 in his PAT and has shared his experience. Just do a search and you will find it and if you don't find it I don't think he would mind sharing. I have seen only few people above 20 in PAT. Most people don't get high score in this section. But I don't like your excuse. You will be one of those in Dental School who will not help anybody in class becasue they might rank higher than you. "Knowledge is The only thing that gets richer as it is shared and used"----???
 
coodoo said:
This is the biggest pile of garbage I have ever heard. You actually think your destination will matter of you score a 20 on the pat or a 23? Believe or not buddy, the dental admission boards from across the country look at the total package (interview, lor, experience, life experience, etc). I made a 26/21 on the DAT and chose a school where i am surrounded by intelligent first year classmen who made 17 and 18's on ther DAT. If you don't want to contribute anything to this forum, don't. But to not advise others because they are the "compitition", is a really lame excuse if you ask me. These people you are helping are going to be your colleagues for the rest of your professional life.

I didn?t and I don?t advise not to share. The point I tried to make is that you don?t see many recommendations from people who scored above 23 at PAT. Your 21 is good, but just proved my point. Regarding students with 17 or 18 and going to Columbia or UCLA, let me not to believe you. At least the schools statistics I read proves you wrong.

I am trying veeeeery hard not to be personal, but Bush will win again. So Alec has to leave this country 🙂 .
 
atlanta478 said:
I didn?t and I don?t advise not to share. The point I tried to make is that you don?t see many recommendations from people who scored above 23 at PAT. Your 21 is good, but just proved my point.
Atlanta, I scored a 23 on the PAT and posted plenty of advice above. If you would like more, feel free to PM me. You have to consider this, however: the percentile of my PAT was 99%. That's about 1 in 100 DAT-takers - so, if 7,000 people took the DAT this year, we're talking about a grand total of around 70 people in the nation who scored 23 or above.

Now, how many of those 70 people do you think actually frequent SDN, let alone the SDN forums? How many of those do you think actually take the time to come into this DAT forum and feel that they can contribute significantly to the discussion? The only reason I feel compelled to post my advice on the PAT section is because I think that it brings new ideas to the table. I feel that my approach to it is unique and may provide food for thought for those who study for the PAT strictly through the use of practice tests. I believe there is much more to PAT preparation than that. If I was here to tell you that you should take countless Kaplan and TopScore tests to prepare for the PAT, I probably wouldn't post it because you can do a search and find plenty of threads that will make that very same suggestion.

I hope that you will consider my advice, and also keep in mind that you are making judgments with a very small sample size. Feel free to PM me if you would like more advice on the PAT, or advice on studying for the sciences portion of the DAT.
 
Typo said:
You have to consider this, however: the percentile of my PAT was 99%. That's about 1 in 100 DAT-takers - so, if 7,000 people took the DAT this year, we're talking about a grand total of around 70 people in the nation who scored 23 or above..

Typo, your point well taken. Thank you very much.
 
edkNARF said:
One may loses a competitive advantage if other people have higher DAT scores because of you help, but most likely you have gained from their help too.

I second that. Well said! 🙂
 
atlanta478 said:
... They don?t want to give the ?ammunition? to their competition...

"They" just make me sick. Perfection is a myth and we all need help during various points along our journey. Those individuals that appropriate the language of battle (and this is not directed at the OP) to describe the educational process view the world through a myopic lens and miss out on a lot of opportunities and possible friendships. It's a shame offering assistance is misconstrued as a weakness.

In regards to PAT scores and what not, keep in mind that the posted averages for schools are just that - averages. I have yet to read a disclaimer on any school's website or brochure that claims that is the bare minimum allowed for that particular institution. I subscribe to the theory that it is the total package that counts - DAT scores, interview, LOR, and so on - and I am going to do my best in each and I will not loose sleep over things that are out of my control. Best of luck to all!
 
ATL i can see where you are coming from honestly. I was in the same boat as you after my DAT was over, but i considered how much this place had helped me and i decided that it was only fair for me to contribute as well 🙂. Its a community effort that makes many things in the world strong i believe and eventually you will have to compete with other dentists in town but in a friendly manner.
 
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Originally Posted by edkNARF
One may loses a competitive advantage if other people have higher DAT scores because of you help, but most likely you have gained from their help too.


Quote by sherry225
I second that. Well said!


Its interesting that I find that you agree that helping others is beneficial. Yet you found the need to pm me that the info I was giving out was too helpfull. Which is it then? :meanie:
 
hockeydentist said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by edkNARF
One may loses a competitive advantage if other people have higher DAT scores because of you help, but most likely you have gained from their help too.


Quote by sherry225
I second that. Well said!


Its interesting that I find that you agree that helping others is beneficial. Yet you found the need to pm me that the info I was giving out was too helpfull. Which is it then? :meanie:

I don't remember PMing you?
 
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