is it worth doing specialty?

[iLuvDAT]

my general dentist does everything from endo to oral surgery and never refers her patients to any specialists. the only downside is that she has to file a claim for the specialty precedure to the insurance company beforehand and have it approved to make sure she can get paid for the treatment she'll give to her patients. She owns five chairs in a single 500 sq ft room and hires her cousin(with no formal detnal hygiene training) to do dental hygiene work. She also does root canal for $450 cash payment to those with no insurance. her net income is over 300K year. In contrast, a friend of mine is an endo who went to columbia for undergraduate and harvard for dental school now end up working for a dental office and her salary is 180K before tax. He thinks he's stuck because an endo has no direct access to the patient pool and make a living on referrals from general dentists. He said that if he could do it all over again, he would just go to a state school for cheap tuition and start his own practice right after he gets his DDS.

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[pts218]

You just have to be careful not to do too much and venture into procedures you do not have enough training or experience to handle. If anything were to happen (knock on wood) you would be held to the standard of care of a specialist.

If you apply towards a specialty you really need to know that this is what you want to do for the rest of your life. Although I really like doing endo, fixed and aesthetic work I decided that I loved working with kids and appreciate the fun atmosphere of a peds practice. It's been over a month since I started residency and I've loved every minute of it.

 

[airwolfrocks999]

. , a friend of mine is an endo . He said that if he could do it all over again, he would just go to a state school for cheap tuition and start his own practice right after he gets his DDS.

There are wide standard deviations when it comes to personal experiences and salary surveys for dentists.

But no matter what, specialists make significantly more than general dentists. There are actually general dentists that make below 100k/yr. But you never hear of specialists making less than 150k/yr. If you're in it for the money, you must make it into a major specialty.

 

[airwolfrocks999]

To expand upon what airwolfrocks999 said, the ada posts on their website that the average general practitioner makes ~$185k compared to the average of specialists at ~$315k per year. And yes, there are general dentists who are going to make less than $100k per year. I will be one of those. I lovee the military and I love dentistry.

You can't use the stats from the ada. Many organizations tend to be biased in favor of their professions and will display higher salary stats. This doesn't just apply to dentists. It also applies to podiatrists and chiros.

And there are many general dentists that make less than 100k in private practice, not just the military.

I'm not trying to start a skirmish here. I was answering the OP's question, as it is worth doing a specialty if financial matters are your primary concern.

 

[endoking]

I'm going to specialize in endo because I like endo and because i am overjoyed everytime I think about never scraping another tooth, never making another impression, never cutting another crown prep, etc.

 

[capisce?]

You can't use the stats from the ada. Many organizations tend to be biased in favor of their professions and will display higher salary stats. This doesn't just apply to dentists. It also applies to podiatrists and chiros.

You've got it completely backwards. If anything, the ADA would prefer to underestimate salaries. You seem to think of it as an ego thing and that they'd want to embellish the numbers. The reality is that it's better to report lower averages to keep dentists off the radar...all high salary levels are going to do is invite managed care into the field and bring attention where it's not wanted. It's good to fly under the radar.

 

[armorshell]

As is well established in the rules of the website, "A guy I know"
is a statistically significant sample size.

 

[TimR]

just to add my opinion...

You can make a lot no matter if you specialize or go the GP route. If it is money that motivates you, there are several ways to make a lot of it in dentistry, but you have to be willing to work for it. I would suggest that it is "easier" to make more as a specialist. But I would also say that there is a bigger potential for GP's than most people realize. Like the OP said, many specialists rely on referals for new patient flow. GP's are free to market their practice to consumers.

There are a lot of GP's making over 250k, 400k and beyond. This is not the norm though. These are people who have worked smart AND hard.

The ADA's posted averages mean very little.

 

[Jone]

my friend makes $400k net income working one day per week, and paying his associate $150K (fixed salary) who works 4 days per week. the 400k accounts for both his own production and the amount of the associate's production that he keeps. now that is called working smart.

There are a lot of GP's making over 250k, 400k and beyond. This is not the norm though. These are people who have worked smart AND hard.

 

[mg777]

There are wide standard deviations when it comes to personal experiences and salary surveys for dentists.

But no matter what, specialists make significantly more than general dentists. There are actually general dentists that make below 100k/yr. But you never hear of specialists making less than 150k/yr. If you're in it for the money, you must make it into a major specialty.

Misinformation airwolfe, how long have u been around the field of dentistry?
A GP has as a much earning potential as a specialist. A GP will make 150 easy, and with a good business mind and good demeanor w/ patients could more than triple that. let's not forget kids, the motto of a money man: diversify, diversify, diversify.

 

[iLuvDAT]

ada stats include mostly general dentists that get W2s at the end of the year, meaning that they don't own their business. Those numbers seem consistent with income of associates or GP that works in a hospital, prison or whatever. on the other hand, if a GP with his own practice is smart enough to make half a million a year, they wouldn't be ******ed enough to let others know their real income for various reasons. How many of those GPs do you think would report their cash earnings?

1) Private practice is the only way to make big money for GPs and practice owners make significant more than their peers.

2) It's more common and easy for GPs to start a practice than specialists for the following reasons
a) GPs have less debt when they first get into the business
b) GPs can do specialist work and yet specialists are not allowed to GPs work
(ex: my friend's dentist has his ortho certificate hanging on the wall but he couldn't get enough patients to go full time in ortho and had to downgrade to a GP)

3) It takes a few years to build a successful practice that could be worth 500K for a GP. so for first few years into business, the practice owner actually gets a extra of 80K-100K potential income that is built into his practice value.

in short, specialty is overrated as far as income goes and GPs with private practice could be worth more than specialists.

 

[capisce?]

2) It's more common and easy for GPs to start a practice than specialists for the following reasons
This is so far from being correct it's mind-boggling. As a specialist looking to open from scratch I have almost limitless opportunities. A GP has much more competition because there are many more GP practice. They cannot go down the block from 5 other practices without having growth issues. Most specialists can open next door to another and be booked out for a while (ortho excluded)
a) GPs have less debt when they first get into the business
How do you figure? Many residencies pay stipends.
b) GPs can do specialist work and yet specialists are not allowed to GPs work
(ex: my friend's dentist has his ortho certificate hanging on the wall but he couldn't get enough patients to go full time in ortho and had to downgrade to a GP) Specialists charge more for their procedures because of the additional training involved.

3) It takes a few years to build a successful practice that could be worth 500K for a GP. so for first few years into business, the practice owner actually gets a extra of 80K-100K potential income that is built into his practice value.
It takes more than 'a few years' do build a practice worth 500k. For the first few years (5-7) you will be paying down the loans to buy or build the practice. If anything you will be failing to draw, or will draw a very conservative salary. On top of that, practices are only worth what someone is willing to pay for them. You say that they get practice value...talk to the multitudes of retiring dentists who didn't invest properly because they were sitting on their 'practice value'. Now they can't find people to buy outdated equipment and office space to buy patient charts.

in short, specialty is overrated as far as income goes and GPs with private practice could be worth more than specialists.I will refer you to the follow from the 2000 ADA survey. No offense, but you have a lot to learn before you post, why not wait until you get through dental school or go read dentaltown to edumucate yourself

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[iLuvDAT]

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all the stats only show that GPs gets paid $400/day vs oral surgeon $1250/day but GPs in the sample pool are mostly low paid, with no practice for the reasons i stated earlier. I agree that specialists' hour rate is higher than that of GPs, like that optometrists charge $75 for a visit which is about 15 minutes long but that doesn't translate into $300/hour simply because they don't have that many patients to make their average rate even close to that amount.

as far as debt goes, if someone wants to be a GP, they would just go to a state school with very low tuition and it's possible for them to graduate with just 150K which can be all covered by subsidized loan. Take out another 100K that is enough for 1 chair, 1 x ray machine and some simple renovation from private lender, the first year graduates should be good to go with their own practice. For specialists except OS and ortho, it is unrealistic
for the first year fresh out of residency to start a practice and most of them end up working for a dental group clinic or some sort mostly because they don't have the patient pool to start with.

yes, it is true that some residency programs do pay stipend but it is safe to say that on average most specialists have larger debt than that of GPs. many of specialists went to top notched private schools for undergraduate and dental schools.

The value of a practice is mostly determined by income or the patient base rather than value of equipments. If someone were out there to look for a existing practice to buy, the number one consideration would be how much money I can bring in based upon the current flow of patients after I put down half a million, instead of whether equipments are cutting edge or brand new.

 

[12YearOldKid]

Your assumptions are so wrong it is ridiculous.
I would list every point where you are wrong but it isn't worth the effort right now.

 

[SNOZBERRIES]

She owns five chairs in a single 500 sq ft room and hires her cousin(with no formal detnal hygiene training) to do dental hygiene work. She also does root canal for $450 cash payment to those with no insurance.

Did any one catch these points?

five chairs in a single 500 sq foot room? I doubt it, but I'll give you that.

Her cousin has no formal hygiene training? This is illegal in every state I know.

Decreased fees for cash payments? In my state it is illegal to bill different amounts to people with or without insurance.

 

[capisce?]

As the others have said, you are so obviously misinformed and delusional there's no point to even discussing this further. You are clueless, hopefully other inexperienced people on here don't believe anything you say.

5 ops in 500 sqft?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHA

Do everyone here a favor and stop posting.

 

[iLuvDAT]

Did any one catch these points?

five chairs in a single 500 sq foot room? I doubt it, but I'll give you that.

Her cousin has no formal hygiene training? This is illegal in every state I know.

Decreased fees for cash payments? In my state it is illegal to bill different amounts to people with or without insurance.

i know her business is shady and unbelievable but everything I said is true. all chairs are just separated by cabinets believe or not, and decreased fees for cash payments might be illegal in NYC but everybody is doing it anyway, and if you don't do it, you lose some of business from illegal immigrants. $450 is the standard fee for root canals if you pay CASH here.

 

[endoking]

Don't forget much lower overhead for most specialists--GP's 60-65%, Endo 30%.

 

[crazy_sherm]

As is well established in the rules of the website, "A guy I know"
is a statistically significant sample size.

Don't forget the all important formula:

2 x (gullibility + anecdote) = confirmed fact

 

[mg777]

Lets face it OMFS wanna be's The vast majority of you will be shucking wizzies all day everday 5-days a week when its all said and done. Roll that MD degree up and put in in your pipe and smoke it big boy. Remember where the specialist's bread is buttered, all your referrarls come from the GP. So vent all your GP hostility on SDN and realize in the real world, without A GP you have no patients and no bar graphs like that schmuck above posted. A key to making money as a GP is finiding a nice established practice to take over or aquire or move to a small town and youll do as well as any specialist. I sense a lot of ego on this thread and misinterpreted information. no need to try to prove to everyone and yourself you ll make more than if you do or dont specialize. Only way to know for sure is to specialize, and hope you personally make more money than a GP.try speaking with specialists instead of looking at bar graphs. Theyll tell you straight forward how much they make, and then do the same with a GP.

 

[mg777]

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[Jone]

why pick on the OMFS guys? the only specialist (or i should say residents) that i have trouble dealing with are the prostho's. man their ego's and chips on their shoulders make me want to puke... (how do i insert the puke icon?)

Lets face it OMFS wanna be's The vast majority of you will be shucking wizzies all day everday 5-days a week when its all said and done. Roll that MD degree up and put in in your pipe and smoke it big boy. You guys better remember where your bread is buttered, all your referrarls come from the GP. So vent all your GP hostility on SDN and respect him in the real world, without him you have no patients and no bar graphs like that schmuck above posted. They key to making money as a GP is finiding a nice established practice to take over or aquire. Either that or move to a small town youll do as well as any specialist. I sense a lot of ego on this thread and misinterpreted information. no need to try to prove to everyone and yourself you ll make more than if you didnt specialize. Only way to know for sure is to specialize, and hope you personally make more money than a GP.

 

[mg777]

why pick on the OMFS guys? the only specialist (or i should say residents) that i have trouble dealing with are the prostho's. man their ego's and chips on their shoulders make me want to puke... (how do i insert the puke icon?)

Youre right. No offense to OMFS. Some of them do the big boy stuff like facial reconstruction, BSSO's, maxillary advancement, La Forte OSteotomy's, and 3 piece maxilla. That stuff is pretty sweet.

 

[aphistis]

Lets face it OMFS wanna be's The vast majority of you will be shucking wizzies all day everday 5-days a week when its all said and done. Roll that MD degree up and put in in your pipe and smoke it big boy. Remember where the specialist's bread is buttered, all your referrarls come from the GP. So vent all your GP hostility on SDN and realize in the real world, without A GP you have no patients and no bar graphs like that schmuck above posted. A key to making money as a GP is finiding a nice established practice to take over or aquire or move to a small town and youll do as well as any specialist. I sense a lot of ego on this thread and misinterpreted information. no need to try to prove to everyone and yourself you ll make more than if you didnt specialize. Only way to know for sure is to specialize, and hope you personally make more money than a GP.try speaking with specialists instead of looking at bar graphs. Theyll tell you straight forward how much they make, and then do the same with a GP.

Wow. Did your oral surgeon not love you as a child or something?

 

[mg777]

Wow. Did your oral surgeon not love you as a child or something?

Alright alright, I take it back. You guys are making me feel guilty.

 

[capisce?]

Lets face it OMFS wanna be's The vast majority of you will be shucking wizzies all day everday 5-days a week when its all said and done. Roll that MD degree up and put in in your pipe and smoke it big boy. Remember where the specialist's bread is buttered, all your referrarls come from the GP. So vent all your GP hostility on SDN and realize in the real world, without A GP you have no patients and no bar graphs like that schmuck above posted.

No oral surgeon wanna be here, so if you're gonna talk **** at least be correct. Not even a pedo wanna-be, but a pedo-gonnabe. I don't need any referrals from a GP. Less than 5% of a pediatric practice's patient base come from GP referrals so keep dreaming.

 

[MStarr]

General dentistry is a good profession.
GP's are like Starbucks... one on every corner.
The GP rat race was not for me, and I hate perio lol
Anyhow I am a specialist X2 and feel way more comfortable emotionally and financially.
I dunno maybe try it out for a few years and specialize prn.
I worked 2 years after dental school and 2 years after 1st specialty and now practice both specialties.
Works for me, but it's all good...

 

[rals]

General dentistry is a good profession.
GP's are like Starbucks... one on every corner.
The GP rat race was not for me, and I hate perio lol
Anyhow I am a specialist X2 and feel way more comfortable emotionally and financially.
I dunno maybe try it out for a few years and specialize prn.
I worked 2 years after dental school and 2 years after 1st specialty and now practice both specialties.
Works for me, but it's all good...

cool... what specialties?

I never really thought of comparing the degree of rat-race activity as a GP compared to a specialist... as a GP you compete for the approval of the local population, whereas as a specialist (excl. pedo) you compete for the approval of local GPs. I don't know which would be better.... food for thought....

 

[mg777]

No oral surgeon wanna be here, so if you're gonna talk **** at least be correct. Not even a pedo wanna-be, but a pedo-gonnabe. I don't need any referrals from a GP. Less than 5% of a pediatric practice's patient base come from GP referrals so keep dreaming.

What makes you think i was talking about you cap? Btw youre pedo, have fun with that and we'll talk numbers in 5 years. Less than 5% from a GP, do you have another bar graph to help me see that too? For you big man its going to be 100% referrals if you open an office up solo in your pedo speciality, if not have fun getting some practice cutting your outside hedges while you wait for walk-ins.

Look dentistry is a small profession, we shouldnt get into this bickering. At any dental convention I've been to, you never hear groups of grow men arguing "no no I make more money than you! " "No no no, I make more than YOU!!" Come on, dentistry is a great profession anyway you slice it. If u want to work with kids, good you probly deserve a little extra compsensation (emphasis on a little... just kidding) Lets focus this hostility on personal injury lawyers.

 

[Mustt Mustt]

I just don't get this pissing match between people who want to specialize and ones who want to be GP. Who cares. Do what you want to do and do what makes you happy. Why the hell do you care what other people think of your decision. I think in the end we are all going to be working together to provide the quality of dental care to our patients.

Also, one more thing. Amount of money you will make doesn't have much to do with what initials or what specialty you have done But it has to do with who are you as a person and what skills you have personally and what valuable service you can offer to the public. Now stop fighting and get over the fact that specialty doesn't mean more money. I bet that lot of those over achievers will make probably the same amount of money as a GP's because may be they are more motivated and smarter than rest of the pool and know how to put them selves in the best position to make a good living. Personally I wanted to be GP from the day one and I am happy with it and I don't really care how much money my oral surgeon or ortho or endo guys make. As long as I am happy with my income and the living I am making I don't really give a damn if they are making millions. Personally you can't pay me enough to specialize so I am gonna be GP.

 

[gryffindor]

I have no desire to chase caries or do crowns or endos on #15 ever again. So yes, to me it is worth specializing and I look forward to a speciatly practice and the business challenges that come with it. Also, the OP's posts remind me why I have no desire to practice in NYC ever again as well (5 chairs in 500 sq feet? No thank you.)

 

[mg777]

General dentistry is a good profession.
GP's are like Starbucks... one on every corner.
The GP rat race was not for me, and I hate perio lol
Anyhow I am a specialist X2 and feel way more comfortable emotionally and financially.
I dunno maybe try it out for a few years and specialize prn.
I worked 2 years after dental school and 2 years after 1st specialty and now practice both specialties.
Works for me, but it's all good...

Is that haiku?

 

[capisce?]

What makes you think i was talking about you cap?

no bar graphs like that schmuck above posted

See above

Btw youre pedo, have fun with that and we'll talk numbers in 5 years. Less than 5% from a GP, do you have another bar graph to help me see that too? For you big man its going to be 100% referrals if you open an office up solo in your pedo speciality, if not have fun getting some practice cutting your outside hedges while you wait for walk-ins.

Look dentistry is a small profession, we shouldnt get into this bickering. At any dental convention I've been to, you never hear groups of grow men arguing "no no I make more money than you! " "No no no, I make more than YOU!!" Come on, dentistry is a great profession anyway you slice it. If u want to work with kids, good you probly deserve a little extra compsensation (emphasis on a little... just kidding) Lets focus this hostility on personal injury lawyers.

Again, for those who cannot grasp the entire thread. I don't care to argue who makes more money. The fact is that on AVERAGE a specialist is going to make more than a GP. There are GPs who are outstanding and will gross more than certain specialists, and vice versa. The point is the OP is posting erroneous information and I was attempting to correct it with what is evidence from our own governing body.

Regarding the 5%, no I don't have a graph but I have a link to a research article if you would like. Then again, you'll probably resort to calling me a schmuck again.

Your post again shows you don't really know what you are talking about. If I were to open up scratch I would not depend on 100% referrals. Most would come from aggressive marketing, walk-ins, word of mouth, talking to certain demographics, church connections, etc. I have an acquaintance who is 2 months out of residency, and in the first 3 weeks his practice was open he had gotten 16 walk-ins. Never underestimate the importance of location and visibility. Referrals from GPs would make up probably one of the smallest components of that equation, even for a startup. Of course, referrals from pediatricians would make up a far more significant part, in both a new and established practice. You can debate it until you are blue in the face with me but the fact is that I've done hours on end of research because it's a serious financial commitment. Unless you are willing to share factual and accurate info without resorting to calling me names, then go away.

 

[johntara04]

Capisce is right.

 

[jpollei]

Capisce is right.

True, true. But if other readers don't figure that out on their own, that's their loss.

 

[Jone]

HYPOCRITE

Look dentistry is a small profession, we shouldnt get into this bickering.

 

[jpollei]

Capisce is right.

True, true. But if other readers don't figure that out on their own, that's their loss.

 

[Jone]

I humbly disagree. My basis is the dozens of pedo's on Dentaltown who don't advertise or seek referrals, but complain they are booked out for 6 months; who say you could walk into their town, open a pedo practice in the basement of a building, not bother to list yourself in a phonebook, and still have so much business you will be begging for an associate. Not a very scientific basis. But your 100% estimate probably isn't any more scientific than mine. And, I've seen the study regarding the 5% that Capisce is referring to, which is better evidence, I'm sure than what you have.

What makes you think i was talking about you cap? Btw youre pedo, have fun with that and we'll talk numbers in 5 years. Less than 5% from a GP, do you have another bar graph to help me see that too? For you big man its going to be 100% referrals if you open an office up solo in your pedo speciality, if not have fun getting some practice cutting your outside hedges while you wait for walk-ins.

 

[cel083]

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[mg777]

See above



Again, for those who cannot grasp the entire thread. I don't care to argue who makes more money. The fact is that on AVERAGE a specialist is going to make more than a GP. There are GPs who are outstanding and will gross more than certain specialists, and vice versa. The point is the OP is posting erroneous information and I was attempting to correct it with what is evidence from our own governing body.

Regarding the 5%, no I don't have a graph but I have a link to a research article if you would like. Then again, you'll probably resort to calling me a schmuck again.

Your post again shows you don't really know what you are talking about. If I were to open up scratch I would not depend on 100% referrals. Most would come from aggressive marketing, walk-ins, word of mouth, talking to certain demographics, church connections, etc. I have an acquaintance who is 2 months out of residency, and in the first 3 weeks his practice was open he had gotten 16 walk-ins. Never underestimate the importance of location and visibility. Referrals from GPs would make up probably one of the smallest components of that equation, even for a startup. Of course, referrals from pediatricians would make up a far more significant part, in both a new and established practice. You can debate it until you are blue in the face with me but the fact is that I've done hours on end of research because it's a serious financial commitment. Unless you are willing to share factual and accurate info without resorting to calling me names, then go away.

GP's dont refer to Pedos to any degree and honestly what the hell does that matter. When I said 100% refls, I meant from wherever be it other pedos, pediatricians, or whoever else your study/ pie chart said. Now Im not going to take the time and dissect what else you said, but a lot of your statements like aggressive marketing and church connections getting you enough patients from scratch to make living are funny (PS- Aggressive marketing isnt cheap). I've been around dentistry a hell of a lot longer than you have, so dont try to reassure yourself by saying I dont know what im talking about.

If you start from scratch, it's going to be slow for a while when you first get going regardless how aggressive you market or if you specialize or not, if you dont think is, you got blinders on. If you cant handle the risk, get an associateship with an established doc for a little while. So back to what I said to start with, without referrals, be it ones from advertising or word of mouth, you will be sitting around waiting for walk ins.
I see your a sensitive guy, and I didnt mean to make you too worried that Pedo speciality may not make you a fortune. I think you misinterpreted what I said and mixed in some of your own personal unsuredness in your decision to do pedo. . All the best.

 

[aphistis]

GP's dont refer to Pedos to any degree and honestly what the hell does that matter. When I said 100% refls, I meant from wherever be it other pedos, pediatricians, or whoever else your study/ pie chart said. Now Im not going to take the time and dissect what else you said, but a lot of your statements like aggressive marketing and church connections getting you enough patients from scratch to make living are funny (PS- Aggressive marketing isnt cheap). I've been around dentistry a hell of a lot longer than you have, so dont try to reassure yourself by saying I dont know what im talking about.

If you start from scratch, it's going to be slow for a while when you first get going regardless how aggressive you market or if you specialize or not, if you dont think is, you got blinders on. If you cant handle the risk, get an associateship with an established doc for a little while. So back to what I said to start with, without referrals, be it ones from advertising or word of mouth, you will be sitting around waiting for walk ins.
I see your a sensitive guy, and I didnt mean to make you too worried that Pedo speciality may not make you a fortune. I think you misinterpreted what I said and mixed in some of your own personal unsuredness in your decision to do pedo. . All the best.

If the amount of time you've "spent around dentistry" was worth anywhere near what you think, you'd be the one holding the license listening to capisce smugly talk down to you despite not having any credentials at all.

 

[ItsGavinC]

and hires her cousin(with no formal detnal hygiene training) to do dental hygiene work. She also does root canal for $450 cash payment to those with no insurance.

1) It's always nice to have somebody with no hygiene training/license working in your mouth.

2) Sounds like insurance fraud. You know, where you bill different amounts depending on whether or not the patient has insurance.

 

[ItsGavinC]

At any dental convention I've been to, you never hear groups of grow men arguing "no no I make more money than you! " "No no no, I make more than YOU!!"

I'm pretty sure you've never been to a dental convention then, because you hear that around every corner!

 

[Jone]

Wow, again may I say...

HYPOCRITE

GP's dont refer to Pedos to any degree and honestly what the hell does that matter. When I said 100% refls, I meant from wherever be it other pedos, pediatricians, or whoever else your study/ pie chart said. Now Im not going to take the time and dissect what else you said, but a lot of your statements like aggressive marketing and church connections getting you enough patients from scratch to make living are funny (PS- Aggressive marketing isnt cheap). I've been around dentistry a hell of a lot longer than you have, so dont try to reassure yourself by saying I dont know what im talking about.

If you start from scratch, it's going to be slow for a while when you first get going regardless how aggressive you market or if you specialize or not, if you dont think is, you got blinders on. If you cant handle the risk, get an associateship with an established doc for a little while. So back to what I said to start with, without referrals, be it ones from advertising or word of mouth, you will be sitting around waiting for walk ins.
I see your a sensitive guy, and I didnt mean to make you too worried that Pedo speciality may not make you a fortune. I think you misinterpreted what I said and mixed in some of your own personal unsuredness in your decision to do pedo. . All the best.

 

[ItsGavinC]

If you start from scratch, it's going to be slow for a while when you first get going regardless how aggressive you market or if you specialize or not, if you dont think is, you got blinders on. If you cant handle the risk, get an associateship with an established doc for a little while. So back to what I said to start with, without referrals, be it ones from advertising or word of mouth, you will be sitting around waiting for walk ins.
I see your a sensitive guy, and I didnt mean to make you too worried that Pedo speciality may not make you a fortune. I think you misinterpreted what I said and mixed in some of your own personal unsuredness in your decision to do pedo. . All the best.

You're quite the piece of work, but it's evident that you are spouting out of your rear because nearly every piece of information you post is incorrect. Capisce could open up shop in any state in the country and be extremely busy on his first day. Busy as in 25+ patients a day. Seriously. There's a 4-6 month waiting list in many parts of the country to see a pediatric dentist.

Or, alternatively, he could enter a practice as an associate. That's an idea you seem to recommend. That's not a bad choice either for him. Most of the ads I've seen are giving salaries starting at $200-250k for a first-year graduate in his situation. Not a bad place to start, if you ask me.

 

[mg777]

You're quite the piece of work, but it's evident that you are spouting out of your rear because nearly every piece of information you post is incorrect. Capisce could open up shop in any state in the country and be extremely busy on his first day. Busy as in 25+ patients a day. Seriously. There's a 4-6 month waiting list in many parts of the country to see a pediatric dentist.

Or, alternatively, he could enter a practice as an associate. That's an idea you seem to recommend. That's not a bad choice either for him. Most of the ads I've seen are giving salaries starting at $200-250k for a first-year graduate in his situation. Not a bad place to start, if you ask me.

What is incorrect? Have you started pedo practice? No i see your a resident too. Pedo is a good speciality, Im not slamming it. I dont buy the 25+ just walking in off the street. Seriously, I can say they same thing about a GP. We need evidence to back statements up or otherwise others can say you dont know what youre talking about (or spouting out your rear as you put it)

 

[mg777]

If the amount of time you've "spent around dentistry" was worth anywhere near what you think, you'd be the one holding the license listening to capisce smugly talk down to you despite not having any credentials at all.

What? It sounds like im getting you worked up aphistis. I will be holding a liscence in ~20 months and Then I ll come back and say what I am now. Your "witty" way of trying to insult me is neat too.

 

[capisce?]

GP's dont refer to Pedos to any degree and honestly what the hell does that matter. When I said 100% refls, I meant from wherever be it other pedos, pediatricians. without referrals, be it ones from advertising or word of mouth, you will be sitting around waiting for walk ins.

So now you're saying GPs never refer to Pedo to any degree? HAHAHA

LMAO....patients who come to an office from seeing an ad are not referrals HAHAHA.

Unless you have something constructive this is getting old.

 

[aphistis]

What? It sounds like im getting you worked up aphistis.

"Worked up"? "Casually dismissive" is a little closer to the mark. There are plenty of people around here who have seen me get worked up, and any of them can tell you this isn't even close.

I will be holding a liscence in ~20 months...

You hope.

...and Then I ll come back and say what I am now. Your "witty" way of trying to insult me is neat too.

I never insulted anyone. If you're offended that I credit capisce's dental license and specialty training over your formless, self-described "time around the profession", that's your own affair. As for myself, this thread has run its course, and I've said my piece. Enjoy having the last word.

 

[mg777]

So now you're saying GPs never refer to Pedo to any degree? HAHAHA

LMAO....patients who come to an office from seeing an ad are not referrals HAHAHA.

Unless you have something constructive this is getting old.

What kind of money are we looking at for serious adveritising as you put it? Are u talking radio/tv or something else?