Is John Kerry Respected

[gatorfan99]

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Bush's war record is less than impressive Kerry's, as he flew fighters INCONUS in the national guard. I have lost about more friends than I'd like to count to naval aviation accidents flying in peacetime in the US and around the world. They weren't at war, yet they risked and paid the hgihest sacrifice. Bush doesn't play up his "routine" yet dangerous service one bit.

I don't like the stressors that Bush as put on a peacetime structured military in a likely prolonged conflict, however, I don't like Kerry at all.

You actually dare compare the dangers of Vietnam with rates of misfortunate accidents (which are, thank God, low) ?

Give it a rest, you should know better!

 

[gatorfan99]

Bush doesn't have anything to be ashamed of. Read this, and get some facts.

In particular, the F102 was NOT a safe airplane to fly, with an accident rate more than 3 times higher than the airplane I flew (F4's).

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=140803


BTW, Kerry "volunteered" for swift boat duty when they weren't being tactically employed (they weren't being used in any dangerous manner). He must have been suprised to find out that the mission changed when he got there. Thats probably why he arranged to get out of Dodge as quickly as he could.

You can get a chapter of the book "Unfit for Command" from the link in this thread

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=141060

You are completely biased towards your opinions and your twisted view of the world.. If I may quote Condi: "You are out of the loop" with the rest of the country

 

[Heeed!]

You are completely biased towards your opinions and your twisted view of the world.. If I may quote Condi: "You are out of the loop" with the rest of the country

I guess we'll see in a few months.... Either way, those of us in the military will obey our Commander In Chief, and defend your right to be a *****.

 

[gatorfan99]

I guess we'll see in a few months.... Either way, those of us in the military will obey our Commander In Chief, and defend your right to be a *****.

LoL.. And I will defend your right to be the same.. My Florida vote will cancel yours and vice versa

 

[Heeed!]

LoL.. And I will defend your right to be the same.. My Florida vote will cancel yours and vice versa

Not unless you're a resident of Alaska. Nice try, though. You forgot, this is the MILITARY forum. If you knew anything about the military, you would know I can maintain my residency in a state other than the one in which I live.

Please clear it up for me: how are you defending my right to be a *****?

 

[Globus P]

Heeed!, he's not worth your time.....ignore him and maybe he'll go away...seems lately we've been defending the rights of so many *****s.

Yet its great they can live in their ignorant bliss.....with that, no need to thank us, you're welcome (directed to all those *****s).

 

[Heeed!]

Heeed!, he's not worth your time.....ignore him and maybe he'll go away...seems lately we've been defending the rights of so many *****s.

Yet its great they can live in their ignorant bliss.....with that, no need to thank us, you're welcome (directed to all those *****s).

Agreed.

"For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know." --Anonymous, Khe Sahn, 1968.

 

[thenavysurgeon]

To moosepilot: you know, there are some striking similarities between surgeons and pilots...in terms of incompetence, it is rife in the military. its everywhere. however, within the pilot ranks, I think there is distinct and natural selection amongst pilots that tends to reinforce the trend toward pilot efficiency and competence. I'm sure you get the gist of my statement.

Same with surgeons...bad surgeons hurt people.

Others in the military, both officers and enlisted, whose actions are piled atop the collective efforts of an entire command, can get away with performance that is sub-par. Don't deny that you have observed this. You have.

Anyway, I'm tired of bashing the military. I have gotten it out of my system for a while. I think I'll sit back and learn a bit about the Vietnam History yarns you all are spinning...

To me-
A Purple Heart is a Purple Heart. In my mind, its no less honorable to be wounded by discharging one's own weapon in combat, then by the enemie's. The point of the medal is, I think, this: you had the balls to be out there, to stand up, engage the enemy and try to kill him, and you got hurt doing it. No amount of discussion or revisionist historical bull**** can retract from Sen. Kerry's THREE purple hearts. They are on the record. The only record Bush has got as a credit to his service is a DENTAL record. Pin that to your chest, Junior.

 

[MoosePilot]

To moosepilot: you know, there are some striking similarities between surgeons and pilots...in terms of incompetence, it is rife in the military. its everywhere. however, within the pilot ranks, I think there is distinct and natural selection amongst pilots that tends to reinforce the trend toward pilot efficiency and competence. I'm sure you get the gist of my statement.

Same with surgeons...bad surgeons hurt people.

Others in the military, both officers and enlisted, whose actions are piled atop the collective efforts of an entire command, can get away with performance that is sub-par. Don't deny that you have observed this. You have.

Anyway, I'm tired of bashing the military. I have gotten it out of my system for a while. I think I'll sit back and learn a bit about the Vietnam History yarns you all are spinning...

To me-
A Purple Heart is a Purple Heart. In my mind, its no less honorable to be wounded by discharging one's own weapon in combat, then by the enemie's. The point of the medal is, I think, this: you had the balls to be out there, to stand up, engage the enemy and try to kill him, and you got hurt doing it. No amount of discussion or revisionist historical bull**** can retract from Sen. Kerry's THREE purple hearts. They are on the record. The only record Bush has got as a credit to his service is a DENTAL record. Pin that to your chest, Junior.

I do tend to grumble about the support I get from some other career fields, such as personnel and finance. I'm amazed that they work 8 hour days with at least one afternoon off a week for "training". However, I don't want to call the officers incompetent, because I don't know what pressures they're dealing with. I know the military is trying to do "more with less" constantly and I'm sure these guys deal with problems from that, too. Anyway, don't be so quick to think your coworkers are incompetent. That will really get you down when you think that your job is to keep them healthy, but what's the point - they're worthless.

As far as whether a Purple Heart is a Purple Heart, I don't agree with the degree of respect you have for Sen. Kerry, but I do respect his military service to a certain extent. However, the concerns about his integrity during his service, his known actions after his service, and his seemingly revisionist stance detract from that immensely. I probably wouldn't even be concerned with it if he didn't make it a central theme of his campaign. I'd much rather he be running on his Senate record. Running on his Vietnam record is a mistake. Accidentally wounding yourself isn't laughable, those weapons can be dangerous to the user as well as the target. However, it's doesn't meet the criteria for a Purple Heart, which requires the wound to be from the enemy.

 

[cosmo]

Spoken likea true liberal...and let me guess, all enlisted people such as my former self are forced into service to escape our impoverished lives which we are forced into because Republicans won't support welfare, and socialized medicine for everyone, and of course we are all too stupid to get a real job so we are forced into the military...no wonder you dislike the military so much, you're like a fish out of water...

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[WilliamHung]

From a self-serving point of view alone, we as health care professionals should do our best to see that Kerry/Edwards do not get into power.

If you side with the trial lawyers and think that we should raise the caps on malpractice awards, then Kerry and Edwards will serve you well.

If you think there is a malpractice problem and that these lawsuits are just serving to make lawyers rich, make patients antagonistic, make doctors second guess themselves and practice defensive medicine and add a lot of misery to an otherwise great profession, AND if you realize that lawsuits do NOT make for safer medicine in policing bad doctors (on the contrary, many feel that fear of lawsuits is making people MORE AFRAID of intervening to get rid of incompetent doctors) then you should make sure the trial lawyers don't get their wish of having Kerry/Edwards in power. <shudder>

 

[r90t]

Bashing on peacetime military pilots in peacetime by a kid in undergraduate is a shame. I have classmates/friends that have died in F-14s, CH-46s, T-2s and SH-60 accidents. The majority left behind wives/kids and all had grieving parents. Their families would agree that their is a fair amount of risk flying a military aircraft in peacetime without being shot at. Bush was qualified to fly jets in the National Guard. He won't grab headlines and glory with that headline, but he did pitch in to national defense, however large or small, you be the judge.

 

[ArmyDoc1999]

Boy, I go out of town for a little while and miss all the action. Thank you to all the current and former servicepeople on here for defending the *****s, and for trying to straighten them out. (Globus P, and Heeed!, I salute you) As a former enlistedman and Noncommissioned Officer from the King of Battle, (that's Field Artillery for all of you recently commisioned dental students ) I am shocked and dismayed at the opinion that I enlisted in the Army simply because I couldn't hack it in the "real world". Anyone who truly believes that ought to try doing the job of a forward observer (Rock Hard FISTer, HOOAH!), infantryman, or any other of the myriad specialties in any branch of the armed services. I'd wager that the individual not only wouldn't be able to hack it, but they would be begging to get out of the predicament!
And as for the Kerry-Bush issue, well, I guess everyone IS entitled to their own opinion. Here's mine: Kerry should NOT be campagining on his military record. Anyone who gets a medal by recomending himself for it has already dishonored himself past redemption. Kerry adds insult to injury by virtue of the fact that the medal in question was an award for gallantry! I don't know how the paperwork made it through the chain of command, but someone wasn't paying attention. And then, to get home and toss them away like so much garbage...I won't even comment on that. I won't comment on his record in the senate either, as that has been well covered. In short, I feel that John Kerry isn't fit to polish the boots of our servicepeople, let alone lead them, or this contry. Bush-Cheney is how I'll vote.

 

[ArmyDoc1999]

Bashing on peacetime military pilots in peacetime by a kid in undergraduate is a shame. I have classmates/friends that have died in F-14s, CH-46s, T-2s and SH-60 accidents. The majority left behind wives/kids and all had grieving parents. Their families would agree that their is a fair amount of risk flying a military aircraft in peacetime without being shot at. Bush was qualified to fly jets in the National Guard. He won't grab headlines and glory with that headline, but he did pitch in to national defense, however large or small, you be the judge.

Oh, and to add to this, don't just look at the pilots. I saw a kid die in basic training at Fort Benning when I was going through, and we had a couple of young soldiers get run over by a TANK at JRTC when I was at Fort Polk. Anyone who has sat in on a safety brief for ANY major training operation knows that there is always a mortality rate forecast. There is a fair amount of risk involved in any peacetime mission without being shot at, on the ground or otherwise.

 

[Globus P]

Armydoc1999, welcome back! Your posts are always a welcome read.

 

[ArmyDoc1999]

Armydoc1999, welcome back! Your posts are always a welcome read.

Thanks alot, G-Man. Anything else exciting going on around here since I've been gone?

 

[Globus P]

Yes indeed, check out the thread "Navy Ois" below. I think you'll get a kick out of it....we had to deal with a poser. You missed out on the fun.
Enjoy the read.

 

[kingcer0x]

Nice. Are you familiar with the UCMJ and the reprecussions for speaking contemptuously of your Commander in Chief? Or did the recruiter fail to mention that you were giving up some of your rights to free speech?

I believe that, under intepretation of the UCMJ, military members are discouraged from discussing politics in uniform, or using their status in the military (i.e. rank, service affiliation, service record, etc.) to defend any politically motivated statements. Although all of us as officers are entitled to our opinion and are free to vote for whomever we want, but you can begin to see why ethically these discussions should take place strictly off the record and without mention to our current military service; very sensitive stuff. Appropriate remarks about politics include stating ones affiliation to a party, and those that do not disrespect our commander and chief.

(info taken from my friend who's a JAG officer)

-Lt.

 

[deuist]

From a self-serving point of view alone, we as health care professionals should do our best to see that Kerry/Edwards do not get into power.

The reason healthcare costs are so high in America is due to malpractice rates, which, in turn, are caused by people like John Edwards who chased ambulances and used junk science and emotional appeals during court proceedings to get insane verdicts.

Now John Kerry says that he's going to "fix" healthcare by making us a bunch of socialists. Horse ****! He's going to run the country into trillions of dollars of debt, cause everyone on SDN -- civilian or military -- to become government employees, and reduce the strong quality of American healthcare into something that resembles England or Canada.

I may not like Bush, but he's better than Kerry.

 

[Jason_AZCOM]

Some are for, some are against....

 

[Jason_AZCOM]

Their is a risk involed with driving a car, or even taking a shower or sitting in a hot tub.

I would imagine it makes sense for the militaries activities to care risks as well.

The bigger risk is to have an inadequate military, at least in my view.

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