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MANY CLAIMS ABOUT POT’S BENEFICIAL EFFECTS JUST DON’T HOLD UP

By David Sack

The Los Angeles Times

The Los Angeles City Council voted Tuesday to ban medical marijuana dispensaries in the city, the culmination of years of controversy over the sale of pot here. Meanwhile, in Oakland, a federal crackdown closed the nation’s largest dispensary amid protests and demonstrations. But authorities rarely seem to address the real issue about marijuana in California: Is it good medicine?

Some proponents of medical marijuana argue that pot is “natural” and therefore better, or at least no worse, than legally prescribed drugs, which may be addictive and may carry dangerous side effects. But natural is not the standard for whether a drug is safe and effective.

Marijuana advocates also say that physicians who warn against marijuana merely want to push prescriptions. But just because some doctors practice bad medicine with legal drugs doesn’t make marijuana good medicine. In most cases, it isn’t.

Anyone who wants to get a medical marijuana card knows there are unscrupulous doctors who will give you a recommendation with few questions asked. Without doubt, medical marijuana hands a get-out-of-jail-free card to people who just want to get high. Those who get a card and indulge in the infrequent use of marijuana will probably experience few problems. But the situation is different with chronic marijuana use.

Marijuana acts on cannabinoid receptors in the brain. These receptors, which are the most prevalent in the nervous system, influence just about every bodily function, including memory, attention, disposition, arousal, motivation, perception, appetite and sleep.

Many chronic marijuana users insist that marijuana is not addictive the way alcohol and other drugs are. However, neuroscience, animal studies, clinical reports of withdrawal in humans and epidemiology all show that marijuana is potentially addictive.

As to its benefits, controlled clinical studies show they exist, but they are limited. Marijuana can effectively treat neuropathic pain, and it has been shown to improve appetite and reduce nausea in cancer and AIDS patients.

But other generally accepted ideas about marijuana’s effectiveness don’t hold up.

The Glaucoma Research Foundation disputes the idea that medical marijuana is good medicine for the disease. “The high dose of marijuana necessary to produce a clinically relevant effect,” the foundation’s website explains, makes it a poor choice for the treatment of glaucoma, especially given its “significant side effects” and the availability of safer effective drugs.

In addition, those who use marijuana to treat mental health symptoms might be surprised to learn that studies show it not only may not help such symptoms, it may cause them.

Increased funding for research may lead to a better understanding of the impact cannabis has on our bodies, but for now the claims that the drug is effective in the treatment of multiple disorders as distinct as lupus and anxiety seem far-fetched at best. It seems more likely that for some people, getting high just makes them feel better, the way a drink or two might. You would be shocked, however, if in response to a diagnosis of lupus, your doctor suggested you “take two drinks and call me in the morning.”

And pot’s general ineffectiveness is only part of picture. It is not a neutral substance. Chronic marijuana use is associated with a number of well-documented health problems, including a variety of cancers in adults as well as in children who were exposed to the drug in utero.

As to its mental health effects, marijuana is linked to long-term psychiatric problems such as depression, anxiety and psychosis. “Marijuana often is regarded as a ‘soft drug’ with few harmful effects,” says Dr. Joseph M. Pierre, co-chief of the Schizophrenia Treatment Unit at the Department of Veterans Affairs’ West Los Angeles Healthcare Center. “However, this benign view is now being revised, along with mounting research demonstrating a clear association between cannabis and psychosis.”

If the lack of health benefits and manifest risks aren’t enough to raise doubts about medical marijuana, consider basic questions of quality and dose. Although medical marijuana sometimes comes from “cleaner” sources than say a drug cartel, independent labs have found mold, synthetic insecticides and other toxins in pot. Molds such as Aspergillus can be highly dangerous to immune-compromised patients. And there is no way to accurately judge what a proper dose of dispensary marijuana would be.

Habitual marijuana use is helpful for very few medical conditions. It can cause insidious changes in personality and attitude that are clear to everyone but the users themselves. There are nearly 400,000 emergency room visits per year due to marijuana use. Before we advocate for medical marijuana, and before another person doses himself with it, we have to ask: Is medical marijuana making us sick?

Dr. David Sack is a psychiatrist and addiction specialist. He is chief executive of Promises Treatment Centers and Elements Behavioral Health in Southern California.

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Seems like that guy has been on a date with Mary Jane to write that article. Sorry but you can't compare marijuana to alcohol in terms of medicating. Of course people are abusing the medical marijuana card, but that does not make it less beneficial medically.

My cousin in CT who had cancer was prescribed THC pills to aid the nausea and appetite due to the chemotherapy. Hell, the high was a side effect (but not a bad one~)

It is legitimately used as medicine. Just because the majority abuses it, whether they actually have a condition which calls for it or not, does not invalidate previous clinical studies which has shown and proven its benefits.

For the record, scientists are trying to make marijuana with reduced THC but a lot more cannabinods. So patients who want the benefit without being impaired may use it.

PS the guy left out that Glaucoma is also the biggest reason for Rx pot. Other than cancer patients, glaucoma patients in those regions actually benefit from it.

Sounds like a load of Prohibitionist propaganda to me.


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Seems like that guy has been on a date with Mary Jane to write that article. Sorry but you can't compare marijuana to alcohol in terms of medicating. Of course people are abusing the medical marijuana card, but that does not make it less beneficial medically.

My cousin in CT who had cancer was prescribed THC pills to aid the nausea and appetite due to the chemotherapy. Hell, the high was a side effect (but not a bad one~)

It is legitimately used as medicine. Just because the majority abuses it, whether they actually have a condition which calls for it or not, does not invalidate previous clinical studies which has shown and proven its benefits.

For the record, scientists are trying to make marijuana with reduced THC but a lot more cannabinods. So patients who want the benefit without being impaired may use it.

PS the guy left out that Glaucoma is also the biggest reason for Rx pot. Other than cancer patients, glaucoma patients in those regions actually benefit from it.

Sounds like a load of Prohibitionist propaganda to me.


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there have been almost no unbiased studies that show that medical marijuana improves functioning or long term quality of life. almost all the studies that show benefit compare it to placebo, and not to standard available legal treatments.

compare the data that show advantages with the data that show that marijuana, when combined with opioids, is associated with increased risk of death and disability from motor vehicle accidents, and then come to your own conclusion.

Cannabinoids for chemo induced nausea and vomitting has been approved, in the form of Marinol. doctors do prescribe that medication. i have.

oddly enough, do a search on articles marijuana that is high in cannabinoids and low in THC. almost to a person, posters will belittle this form, and refuse to use it if it doesnt make them high.
 
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there have been almost no unbiased studies that show that medical marijuana improves functioning or long term quality of life. almost all the studies that show benefit compare it to placebo, and not to standard available legal treatments.

compare the data that show advantages with the data that show that marijuana, when combined with opioids, is associated with increased risk of death and disability from motor vehicle accidents, and then come to your own conclusion.

Cannabinoids for chemo induced nausea and vomitting has been approved, in the form of Marinol. doctors do prescribe that medication. i have.

oddly enough, do a search on articles marijuana that is high in cannabinoids and low in THC. almost to a person, posters will belittle this form, and refuse to use it if it doesnt make them high.

I honestly can't tell which studies are true or not anymore. I believe it is all skewed to one side's interest but from my experience with ill family members, and not just cancer, it works. However I will not argue that marijuana is the best solution for x y z. I'm sure there is a drug better for glaucoma. Marijuana is first and foremost a psychoactive, so it can't beat specialized medication for x y z. But I could most certainly be wrong :shrug:

Opioids are powerful drugs and I have absolutely no idea why one would want to mix pot and an opioid.

Ah yes I've heard of Marinol but not too much about it. If it gets the job done... Idk. I'm not a med marijuana user so I cannot say. But I think you're right that people would rather take the one that gets them high other than Marinol.


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Let's make a list of the relatively non-controversial diagnoses for which MM is infrequently prescribed:

Disease/CPT
1. Cachexia (CA, AIDS): 799.4
2. Glaucoma: 365
3. MS: 346
4. Painful Peripheral Neuropathy: 356.x
5. CA related/Chemo related nausea: 787.0

Now run those ICD-9s through the databases of the states with MM. You will find that these diagnosis account for < 5% of the diagnoses for which the cards were authorized. The VAST majority are for nebulous pain complaints.

MM is a sham. Legalize it and let the government deal with the fallout.
 
Let's make a list of the relatively non-controversial diagnoses for which MM is infrequently prescribed:

Disease/CPT
1. Cachexia (CA, AIDS): 799.4
2. Glaucoma: 365
3. MS: 346
4. Painful Peripheral Neuropathy: 356.x
5. CA related/Chemo related nausea: 787.0

Now run those ICD-9s through the databases of the states with MM. You will find that these diagnosis account for < 5% of the diagnoses for which the cards were authorized. The VAST majority are for nebulous pain complaints.

MM is a sham. Legalize it and let the government deal with the fallout.

The state of Michigan actually posts this data, and their numbers support this also. Michigan has over 150,000 registered MM users.

To the poster who said glaucoma is the number one reason for prescription needs to get a clue.
 
The state of Michigan actually posts this data, and their numbers support this also. Michigan has over 150,000 registered MM users.

To the poster who said glaucoma is the number one reason for prescription needs to get a clue.

Gosh golly!!! And how many of these patients are -real- users? Obv there are buuuuut corrupt doctors exist!

Ps I said -also-

And trololol state statistics... I don't even trust the federal statistics when it has to do with ANYTHING drug related.


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my state's med. marijuana advocates even argue it is less of a gateway drug then alcohol/tobacco.... they cite some flimsy data...

yet, every drug addict I have ever asked "how did you get started taking the heavier stuff?" - the universal answer "The guy who used to sell me weed told me about Oxycodone/Cocaine (whatever) and gave me a good deal at the time".... I have never heard anybody say that about the local liquor store or the local grocery store...
 
my state's med. marijuana advocates even argue it is less of a gateway drug then alcohol/tobacco.... they cite some flimsy data...

yet, every drug addict I have ever asked "how did you get started taking the heavier stuff?" - the universal answer "The guy who used to sell me weed told me about Oxycodone/Cocaine (whatever) and gave me a good deal at the time".... I have never heard anybody say that about the local liquor store or the local grocery store...

Completely agree with above.

But it MJ was legal and could be purchased at a liquor store or grocery store, people wouldn't need that type of "shady source" who could also provide risky/hardcore drugs.
 
Anyone have any thoughts or experience with "K2" or "spice?" apparently perfectly legal cannabinoid synthetics sprinkled on oregano or something and legal to buy at head shops, liquor stores etc. I don't believe they show up on UDS but have the same mental/cognitive effect.
 
you arent talking about these horrendous "bath salts", are you?

supposed to "mimic" THC, but actually acts more like cocaine. psychosis galore.

which might be what would happen to THC if someone were to refine it the way that cocaine is refined from the cocoa leaf...
 
I oppose medical marijuana, but am for legalization.

I don't like potheads exploiting the suffering of cancer patients.
 
you arent talking about these horrendous "bath salts", are you?

supposed to "mimic" THC, but actually acts more like cocaine. psychosis galore.

which might be what would happen to THC if someone were to refine it the way that cocaine is refined from the cocoa leaf...

I think bath salts are the same concept but with amphetamine analogs. mephedrone maybe.
 
Sad to say but the only pts who bring up med MJ are addictive person., on disability, and/or burnouts, etc.

That being said, legalize it and tax the **** out of it
 
"Medical" marijuana is a misnomer. It is not a medical product.

A drug prescribed by a doctor will include the drug name, dose, amount to use at a time, frequency of use and amount to be dispensed. The physician then does rechecks to assess the effectiveness of the drug in treating the patient and to monitor for side effects.

Medical MJ is usually a card signed by doctor, or some sort of certification, that allows the user to buy any amount within the limits of their laws, with relatively unknown dose, to be used in any quantity or frequency the user wishes.

In the vast majority of cases, the efficacy of the MMJ is never assessed by the physician who signs for the card, and no follow-up is required, except for time-limited cards to come sign for a new one.

When was the last time a doctor anywhere in America saw patient who had whatever symptoms, and the patient had never used MJ in his life, had never thought of it, and the phsycian said "I recommend you smoke marijuana for this problem!" ?

Doctors don't prescribe MJ, they merely are the tools used by the population who wants to use the drug to get it legally, and/or protect themselves from prosecution for posession.
 
"Medical" marijuana is a misnomer. It is not a medical product.

A drug prescribed by a doctor will include the drug name, dose, amount to use at a time, frequency of use and amount to be dispensed. The physician then does rechecks to assess the effectiveness of the drug in treating the patient and to monitor for side effects.

Medical MJ is usually a card signed by doctor, or some sort of certification, that allows the user to buy any amount within the limits of their laws, with relatively unknown dose, to be used in any quantity or frequency the user wishes.

In the vast majority of cases, the efficacy of the MMJ is never assessed by the physician who signs for the card, and no follow-up is required, except for time-limited cards to come sign for a new one.

When was the last time a doctor anywhere in America saw patient who had whatever symptoms, and the patient had never used MJ in his life, had never thought of it, and the phsycian said "I recommend you smoke marijuana for this problem!" ?

Doctors don't prescribe MJ, they merely are the tools used by the population who wants to use the drug to get it legally, and/or protect themselves from prosecution for posession.

Doctors actually often say this for post chemo nausea.

If medical marijuana were limited to that, I'd be fine with it. But exploiting cancer patients for half-assed legalization is immoral in my book.

Fight for outright legalization if that's your goal, don't exploit the sick and dying.
 
Gosh golly!!! And how many of these patients are -real- users? Obv there are buuuuut corrupt doctors exist!

Ps I said -also-

And trololol state statistics... I don't even trust the federal statistics when it has to do with ANYTHING drug related.


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Can you share some more high school wisdom with us ?
 
Doctors actually often say this for post chemo nausea.

If medical marijuana were limited to that, I'd be fine with it. But exploiting cancer patients for half-assed legalization is immoral in my book.

Fight for outright legalization if that's your goal, don't exploit the sick and dying.


Marinol exists for patients who have post-chemo nausea. It is an approved drug and covered by almost every insurance company for post-chemo nausea. It is a synthetic THC.

there is no exploitation of cancer patients - i have personally prescribed Marinol at least 10 times in the past year, for post-chemo nausea. there are also newer alternatives too, such as prophylactic Emend.
 
By the way yesterday was " Jamaician Independence Day".......just saying
 
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