Is SDN toxic?

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I wanted to become a doctor.

After reading a few threads here, I'm getting quite the negative vibe. Medicine just feels a lot less genuine and this site particularly feels like an Facebook for premeds and doctors spewing verbal internet diarrhea at each other. I hope this is not what practicing medicine is like, because I thought students and healthcare workers would act a lot more professional than this.

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dunavice said:
I wanted to become a doctor.

After reading a few threads here, I'm getting quite the negative vibe. Medicine just feels a lot less genuine and this site particularly feels like an Facebook for premeds and doctors spewing verbal internet diarrhea at each other. I hope this is not what practicing medicine is like, because I thought students and healthcare workers would act a lot more professional than this.

Thanks
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Please don’t let an internet site dictate your desire to become a doctor. People tend to act like an unhinged, unfiltered version of themselves when they’re anonymous on the internet. Some of the rude comments/posts I’ve seen on SDN I have also seen in medical school but that is not the overall majority at all. Long story short, go to medical school if that is what you want. Mostly everyone I have interacted with has been professional in Med school.
 
dunavice said:
I wanted to become a doctor.

After reading a few threads here, I'm getting quite the negative vibe. Medicine just feels a lot less genuine and this site particularly feels like an Facebook for premeds and doctors spewing verbal internet diarrhea at each other. I hope this is not what practicing medicine is like, because I thought students and healthcare workers would act a lot more professional than this.

Thanks
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If you ever fall off your high horse I hope one of these unprofessional physicians will be there to help you!
 
I've been here for about 7 years. For the most part, I have found it to be more clear and honest than most places (and I was completely unfamiliar with internet fora when I got here!). I found folks welcoming, though perhaps skeptical. There's nothing wrong with that.
 
you'll likely encounter a lot of toxic people in any field and it's the matter of how you deal with it i think.
The more you shadow and have clinical experience the more you will ACTUALLY find out about medicine not just through SDN.
Not everyone is born professional. we learn and adapt to situation to behave more maturely.
 
Becoming a doctor isn't easy. Medical school isn't easy. Residency isn't easy. Practicing medicine isn't easy. Are you discouraged? If reality is scary, then don't pursue medicine. I don't find people here toxic. We just tend to have our eyes open. The medicine is genuine, the people are human.
 
dunavice said:
I wanted to become a doctor.

After reading a few threads here, I'm getting quite the negative vibe. Medicine just feels a lot less genuine and this site particularly feels like an Facebook for premeds and doctors spewing verbal internet diarrhea at each other. I hope this is not what practicing medicine is like, because I thought students and healthcare workers would act a lot more professional than this.

Thanks
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Where are you seeing this exactly?

SDN has problems with neuroticism, hypercompetitiveness and malignancy but that’s usually confined in preallo forum (which gets the most traffic). The rest of the site is far better and more informative. The residents, fellows, attendings and faculty on here are awesome. And there are a lot of good information on here.

The best way to deal with negativity is to ignore it.
 
dunavice said:
I wanted to become a doctor.

After reading a few threads here, I'm getting quite the negative vibe. Medicine just feels a lot less genuine and this site particularly feels like an Facebook for premeds and doctors spewing verbal internet diarrhea at each other. I hope this is not what practicing medicine is like, because I thought students and healthcare workers would act a lot more professional than this.

Thanks
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One can always go to that cesspool r/premed.
 
The world of healthcare is a harsh place. The reality of medicine is not coddling or hand-holding. If you want to be a doctor, here you will see how things really are. Sure, some are embellished, but for the most part the advice here is sound and unfiltered. People who are offended by realism need to grow a thicker skin if they want to enter our arena.


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SDN has many problems.

But also many memes.

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Catalystik said:
And cats are not toxic. They're just cats. They don't exist to make you feel good about yourself.
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Domesticating animals to be our accessories is usually a bad thing. But I felt pretty great about myself rescuing my cat, then recovering him from hepatic lipidosis and eventual liver failure despite 8 veterinarian specialists' discretion to euthanize him. Wouldn't you agree?

We're all on horses of different heights, I've met plenty of uptight physicians. We all need to tone it down a notch. We're all in the same boat, and we're all going to the same place. Six feet under.

I think I'm gonna stick to my original plan of cycling to Argentina because of my broke ***. But I've got 4 years to think about it until I become a legal adult.
 
bahdahboom said:
People tend to act like an unhinged, unfiltered version of themselves when they’re anonymous on the internet.
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Definitely true. Even on this site filled with professionals and hopeful professionals.

OrthoTraumaMD said:
The world of healthcare is a harsh place. The reality of medicine is not coddling or hand-holding. If you want to be a doctor, here you will see how things really are.
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Also very true if you have spent time really working in a clinical environment.
 
Some of the most "toxic" people in healthcare are trying to give you the most useful advice. In a field with little margin of error and high accountability, people are going to be as straight with you as possible so you don't make a critical mistake.
 
dunavice said:
I wanted to become a doctor.

After reading a few threads here, I'm getting quite the negative vibe. Medicine just feels a lot less genuine and this site particularly feels like an Facebook for premeds and doctors spewing verbal internet diarrhea at each other. I hope this is not what practicing medicine is like, because I thought students and healthcare workers would act a lot more professional than this.

Thanks
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People don't shouldn't come here for hugs and kisses, but for useful advice. We tell people what they need to hear, not what they want to hear.

Catalystik said:
And cats are not toxic. They're just cats. They don't exist to make you feel good about yourself.
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You have to be special to earn the love of a cat.
 
Lawpy said:
I’m only on SDN for the memes.

@Mad Jack @AnatomyGrey12 @RespectTheChemistry19 @radiculating spines probably approve too

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Black people, whilst being a minority in the U.S. population, a minority among drug users in America, and overrepresented among incarcerated population, are now being presented in a stereotypical, silver mouth addict meme subconsciously normalizing racism?

I would think twice before sharing something with negative implications. Digital blackface is very much a problem, despite it being mocked by people too shallow to understand. You have stooped down to the level of r/premed.

But who cares, this is America.
 
dunavice said:
Black people, whilst being a minority in the U.S. population, a minority among drug users in America, and overrepresented among incarcerated population, are now being presented in a stereotypical, silver mouth addict meme subconsciously normalizing racism?

I would think twice before sharing something with negative implications. Digital blackface is very much a problem, despite it being mocked by people too shallow to understand. You have stooped down to the level of r/premed.

But who cares, this is America.
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Goro said:
People don't shouldn't come here for hugs and kisses, but for useful advice. We tell people what they need to hear, not what they want to hear.


You have to be special to earn the love of a cat.
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Perhaps the depersonalization of healthcare in the United States is why doctors are so much more likely to commit suicide, have depression and other illnesses than civilians. Sometimes the best advice is a hug or a kiss. Environment is a very real factor in everything.
 
dunavice said:
Perhaps the depersonalization of healthcare in the United States is why doctors are so much more likely to commit suicide, have depression and other illnesses than civilians. Sometimes the best advice is a hug or a kiss. Environment is a very real factor in everything.
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Medicine is the last field you should be hoping for hugs and kisses in. Well, next to last field, after soldiering.

And stay out of NYC...we use the term F*** you as a greeting.
 
dunavice said:
Perhaps the depersonalization of healthcare in the United States is why doctors are so much more likely to commit suicide, have depression and other illnesses than civilians. Sometimes the best advice is a hug or a kiss. Environment is a very real factor in everything.
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Access and knowledge to suicide agents. Dentists, veterinarians, and chiropractors don't lag far behind.
 
dunavice said:
Perhaps the depersonalization of healthcare in the United States is why doctors are so much more likely to commit suicide, have depression and other illnesses than civilians. Sometimes the best advice is a hug or a kiss. Environment is a very real factor in everything.
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Most doctors are civilians. Just saying.
 
SDN is quite toxic, if you google search SDN on reddit you'll get quite a few threads on how neurotic premeds can be.
To be quite honest the medicine/medical field is quite toxic. Not really sure why.
I was a former premed, would see kids running around thinking they were bill gates because they got an A in XYZ professors organic chemistry class.

Fact is, as competitive as medicine has gotten in the US, peoples minds have gone to absolute garbage over-themselves. SDN thrives on people putting each other down. I would hope as physicians that attitude changes as the patient's welfare becomes a physicians pride, not his grades or his alma mater. One of the adcoms (if he is one) who never gets banned no matter how many insults he has thrown pretends to be a nice guy here yet spews hate, and the premeds follow on akin to ducklings with their mama duck.

I think when I was sitting down with some friends from NY and SF (two were in technology and one was in IBTECH) I had quite a humbling experience learning about how much $$$ they made at a young age, their future prospects, and the opportunities they have to help others in ways that doesn't revolve around the bed side.

So dont necessarily give up on becoming a doctor, but you need to prep yourself for the amount of artificially inflated egos that exist in the medical field.
 
Goro said:
Medicine is the last field you should be hoping for hugs and kisses in. Well, next to last field, after soldiering.

And stay out of NYC...we use the term F*** you as a greeting.
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I wouldn't be too sure as to saying that being helping in an encouraging manner isn't the most pragmatic way of helping people succeed. Less than two centuries, or a great great great grandparent's time for reference, we were cutting open wounds to let the evil spirits drain out. Who's not to say times will change for the better? Our understanding is growing. It's very shallow to say that people aspiring to become physicians or physicians themselves ought to be treated like dirt cause that's "just how it is" in the "real world." The real world is whatever we make it up to be. Excuse me for the yoda talk.
 
Goro said:
Medicine is the last field you should be hoping for hugs and kisses in. Well, next to last field, after soldiering.

And stay out of NYC...we use the term F*** you as a greeting.
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Yet there are soldiers who are dying needlessly in a never ending war against humanity. Discredits your point doesn't it?
 
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dunavice said:
I wanted to become a doctor.

After reading a few threads here, I'm getting quite the negative vibe. Medicine just feels a lot less genuine and this site particularly feels like an Facebook for premeds and doctors spewing verbal internet diarrhea at each other. I hope this is not what practicing medicine is like, because I thought students and healthcare workers would act a lot more professional than this.

Thanks
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Anything on the internet gets negative (read: honest). Compare this to YouTube/FB comments made by the general public (some of which aren't even anonymous) and you'll see a big difference with the comment sections saturated with extremely homophobic, racist, sexist, etc. drivel If I had no life, I could make an endless career of tracking down the employers of all the idiots on there and they'd be fired immediately. Meanwhile, while SDN can get testy, anything that's actually malignant gets quickly taken down and SDN is better at preventing repeat troll users than you'd think. SDN is absolutely a step above the general public while still being somewhat controversial at times which is what makes it so appealing to me.
 
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IDontHaveAnyFeet said:
SDN is quite toxic, if you google search SDN on reddit you'll get quite a few threads on how neurotic premeds can be.
To be quite honest the medicine/medical field is quite toxic. Not really sure why.
I was a former premed, would see kids running around thinking they were bill gates because they got an A in XYZ professors organic chemistry class.

Fact is, as competitive as medicine has gotten in the US, peoples minds have gone to absolute garbage over-themselves. SDN thrives on people putting each other down. I would hope as physicians that attitude changes as the patient's welfare becomes a physicians pride, not his grades or his alma mater. One of the adcoms (if he is one) who never gets banned no matter how many insults he has thrown pretends to be a nice guy here yet spews hate, and the premeds follow on akin to ducklings with their mama duck.

I think when I was sitting down with some friends from NY and SF (two were in technology and one was in IBTECH) I had quite a humbling experience learning about how much $$$ they made at a young age, their future prospects, and the opportunities they have to help others in ways that doesn't revolve around the bed side.

So dont necessarily give up on becoming a doctor, but you need to prep yourself for the amount of artificially inflated egos that exist in the medical field.
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Again, you’re referring to problems unique to preallo. The rest of SDN is actually really resourceful and professional. I personally like the osteo forums more than the allo forums because people there are generally more professional and well behaved.

Even despite the problems of preallo, it can be very useful and that’s thanks to the detailed and wise advice delivered by patient and empathetic adcoms, faculty, residents and attendings on here. Without them, SDN would not be popular, as it would just be a boring and toxic forum filled with premeds trolling and spreading misinformation.

As long as you can focus your attention to important things (such as faculty advice) while ignoring the annoying aspects, you’ll find SDN to be a useful and positive resource.
 
dunavice said:
Perhaps the depersonalization of healthcare in the United States is why doctors are so much more likely to commit suicide, have depression and other illnesses than civilians. Sometimes the best advice is a hug or a kiss. Environment is a very real factor in everything.
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Perhaps you shouldn’t make judgments on why doctors do/don’t do something until you actually are one.
That’s what I would say if you weren’t a troll, which you are. [emoji23]


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Goro said:
Now you're starting to babble. Applying ignore function. You'll feel a stinging sensation between the eyes.
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Babble? If you think there's something wrong with me doctor, then please do tell me. It's your job to help people. Or is it beyond your six month quota of being useless and discouraging would be doctors in a country with a healthcare deficit? Keep in mind you're speaking to a lost 14 year old. We say the darndest things.
 
OrthoTraumaMD said:
Perhaps you shouldn’t make judgments on why doctors do/don’t do something until you actually are one.
That’s what I would say if you weren’t a troll, which you are. [emoji23]
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Wow, as a doctor, I'm surprised at how bad you are at diagnosing things. The last thing I would do is give up time to be a troll.
 
dunavice said:
I wanted to become a doctor.

After reading a few threads here, I'm getting quite the negative vibe. Medicine just feels a lot less genuine and this site particularly feels like an Facebook for premeds and doctors spewing verbal internet diarrhea at each other. I hope this is not what practicing medicine is like, because I thought students and healthcare workers would act a lot more professional than this.

Thanks
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Weak.
 
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dunavice said:
Babble? If you think there's something wrong with me doctor, then please do tell me. It's your job to help people. Or is it beyond your six month quota of being useless and discouraging would be doctors in a country with a healthcare deficit? Keep in mind you're speaking to a lost 14 year old. We say the darndest things.
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Hes not a doctor, you can apply the ignore function as well. It will save you a ton of time.
 
dunavice said:
Domesticating animals to be our accessories is usually a bad thing. But I felt pretty great about myself rescuing my cat, then recovering him from hepatic lipidosis and eventual liver failure despite 8 veterinarian specialists' discretion to euthanize him. Wouldn't you agree?

We're all on horses of different heights, I've met plenty of uptight physicians. We all need to tone it down a notch. We're all in the same boat, and we're all going to the same place. Six feet under.

I think I'm gonna stick to my original plan of cycling to Argentina because of my broke ***. But I've got 4 years to think about it until I become a legal adult.
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You're only 14?! What are you doing in pre-allo!?

Go to hSDN.
 
dunavice said:
Black people, whilst being a minority in the U.S. population, a minority among drug users in America, and overrepresented among incarcerated population, are now being presented in a stereotypical, silver mouth addict meme subconsciously normalizing racism?

I would think twice before sharing something with negative implications. Digital blackface is very much a problem, despite it being mocked by people too shallow to understand. You have stooped down to the level of r/premed.

But who cares, this is America.
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dunavice said:
Perhaps the depersonalization of healthcare in the United States is why doctors are so much more likely to commit suicide, have depression and other illnesses than civilians. Sometimes the best advice is a hug or a kiss. Environment is a very real factor in everything.
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dunavice said:
And the ones who conduct crude experiments on rhesus monkeys. Stop generalizing.
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dunavice said:
I wanted to become a doctor.

After reading a few threads here, I'm getting quite the negative vibe. Medicine just feels a lot less genuine and this site particularly feels like an Facebook for premeds and doctors spewing verbal internet diarrhea at each other. I hope this is not what practicing medicine is like, because I thought students and healthcare workers would act a lot more professional than this.

Thanks
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SDN is a mirror. What you see reflects who you are and the way you see the world. I never noticed much toxicity because I skimmed posts that were clearly negative for the sake of being negative or irrelevant to the topic at hand. SDN is the most useful premed resource in the world if used properly.
 
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