Is there a reason why religiously affiliated universities are opening up DO schools?

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I have often thought the same.


You need to read up on your history. The proponents of the revolution tried to dissolve all religion. Going as far as to disband countless monasteries throughout France.

I like how were hateful just because we disagree.

Yes during the early half there was a push to end the Catholic power over France. Because do remember the Catholic Church owned almost 50% of the wealth in the country. So please excuse me while the priests eat their fill and the masses starve .
 
I like how were hateful just because we disagree.

Yes during the early half there was a push to end the Catholic power over France. Because do remember the Catholic Church owned almost 50% of the wealth in the country. So please excuse me while the priests eat their fill and the masses starve .


My apologies. I pulled a night shift at work last night and haven't had a chance to sleep. I accidentally glanced over your response without reading it more carefully. I mean no discontent.
 
this not to also mention that the church in France advocated the notion that new world crops were satanic and thus instead of planting potatoes the masses starved.

So no, let's not pretend that Hugo's rendition of a church that helped Val-John was true. It was corrupt and cast people out into the cold.
 
My apologies. I pulled a night shift at work last night and haven't had a chance to sleep. I accidentally glanced over your response without reading it more carefully. I mean no discontent.

It's cool, you're not being an ass here. The other guy however is.
 
Have you ever evaluated evidence in an unbiased way? I highly doubt it, instead you have learned this evolutionary fairy tale from your college.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I came to the conclusion on my own evaluating the evidence in an unbiased way without taking a college class. I remember vividly the first time the reality of evolution dawned on me. I had a creationist book that was recommended to me. One of the signature quotes was Darwin doubting the evolution of the eye. Then I went to the source material and saw how they had deliberately cut the entire next paragraph where Darwin does explain how it could happen. I went through other quotes of the book and saw the deception. I took this book and threw it in the garbage. I spent months learning about both sides and how and concluded how ridiculous the creationists were. I was free. It was hard accepting the new reality at first, but as I always said, I prefer misery with a side of truth than ignorant bliss. Eventually an understanding of evolution became a beautiful thing. Grow up and get the emotional fortitude to confront reality.
 
Sorry to disappoint you, but I came to the conclusion on my own evaluating the evidence in an unbiased way without taking a college class. I remember vividly the first time the reality of evolution dawned on me. I had a creationist book that was recommended to me. One of the signature quotes was Darwin doubting the evolution of the eye. Then I went to the source material and saw how they had deliberately cut the entire next paragraph where Darwin does explain how it could happen. I went through other quotes of the book and saw the deception. I took this book and threw it in the garbage. I spent months learning about both sides and how and concluded how ridiculous the creationists were. I was free. It was hard accepting the new reality at first, but as I always said, I prefer misery with a side of truth than ignorant bliss. Eventually an understanding of evolution became a beautiful thing. Grow up and get the emotional fortitude to confront reality.

Honestly we're talking the most support theory in biology. And he wants to call it fairy tales that we don't choose to evaluate? For goodness sakes...

Also did any of you read the new article by the University of Tel Aviv that discovered that camels weren't even domesticated until a thousand years after Abraham supposedly road them?
 
No animals have the ability to think and reason anywhere close to humans. This is likely the most advantageous ability for any species to have and evolution would predict more species would have this ability, but they don't.

You can't say because animals have complex defense features it must be an evolutionary arms race. Prove that any such mechanism exists.
You're making a false assumption. Humans evolved ever-increasing intelligence to compensate for other areas that we were lacking in physically. We didn't have claws or tusks, so the humans that learned to use spears other tools were more able to adapt to threats by creatures that had better natural armaments. Other animals were already largely adapted to their environments, and did not require such drastic cognitive abilities to cope with the areas in which they evolved. Brain mass is an enormous energy expenditure, but would provide far less initial benefit to many other creatures than it would to humans. You could make a tiger smart enough to use tools, or language, for instance, but they lack both the physical adaptations to successfully utilize most tools and the social structures that would be best served by complex language. The physical adaptations and social structures of the great apes left them in a unique position to benefit greatly from increased brain mass. And there were other intelligent creatures- the ancestors and relatives of humanity, many of which either died off or were directly killed by us. We are all that remains of our branch of the genetic tree, and are also the first animals to have such a high level of intelligence and cognition.

Now that we exist, no such other group will likely ever evolve, so long as we are present. We have disrupted the environment to such an extent that the greatest survival advantage a species can have is its ability to either avoid us or adapt to our presence. Creatures of the size required to develop complex intelligence are quite poor at both, and are often our favorite things to hunt (big cats, whales, bears, gorillas). Even if we were to leave an area completely untouched by human influence, our species would probably be wiped out before we saw another intelligent species. The reason is pretty easy to understand. It took billions of years for one intelligent species to result, as evolution does not select for the smartest creatures, merely those best suited for survival, so we basically resulted entirely by the chance occurrence that one of our ancestors developed intelligence and brain mass in such a time and place that it actually provided them with a survival advantage. Cockroaches, for instance, aren't very smart, but their ancestors will probably far outlive those of humanity due to their resilience and the speed at which they breed. There is no reason for them to become any smarter- a more intelligent cockroach would require more food, and would thus deplete resources in a given area faster. The survival advantage offered by the additional intelligence might save an individual cockroach here and there, but at a significant resource requirement that could instead be used to just breed a larger population of dumb cockroaches. Thus, unintelligent cockroaches are more fit to produce a larger population of offspring, leaving it unlikely we'll ever have super intelligent cockroach overlords.

Intelligence, in an evolutionary sense, is not all that special. Creatures are adapted to their environments, and the way their brain functions must be optimal for the form that they have developed to cope with said environment. Intelligence isn't going to really help a salmon, a sea otter, a desert lizard, or a wasp more than the coloric and homeostatic requirements of such a complex system of neurons hurts them. They're better off saving that energy for sex and maintaining their core temperature.

Also those fish still exist. They aren't some mythical creature like giant men we've never found skeletons of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lungfish
 
Again, nothing specific. How does creationism impede science, specific example?
Well for one it implies that we're all some sacred beings created by a magic invisible force, thus meaning that if we were created for a purpose, then creation must begin at conception, and we can therefore not use embryonic stem cells for research because it's unethical. That was a huge disruption to medicine and science. We could be two decades farther along in our research to save lives if we could use and fund the use of cells from fetuses that were already aborted anyway, rather than throwing them in the trash.
 
Sorry to disappoint you, but I came to the conclusion on my own evaluating the evidence in an unbiased way without taking a college class. I remember vividly the first time the reality of evolution dawned on me. I had a creationist book that was recommended to me. One of the signature quotes was Darwin doubting the evolution of the eye. Then I went to the source material and saw how they had deliberately cut the entire next paragraph where Darwin does explain how it could happen. I went through other quotes of the book and saw the deception. I took this book and threw it in the garbage. I spent months learning about both sides and how and concluded how ridiculous the creationists were. I was free. It was hard accepting the new reality at first, but as I always said, I prefer misery with a side of truth than ignorant bliss. Eventually an understanding of evolution became a beautiful thing. Grow up and get the emotional fortitude to confront reality.

Like you, I did the same. I have yet to see any evidence that confirms evolution. There are a lot of massive gaps in the theory. Start from the beginning (according to your theory) when no life existed. Go from there and fill in the blanks. How did the first cell "magically" assemble itself and become alive? This is conveniently neglected in biology texts. If by some chance a cell would emerge, why would it have a mechanism to reproduce? Why would this cell have all the machinery to sustain its own life? etc.... keep going.
 
No animals have the ability to think and reason anywhere close to humans. This is likely the most advantageous ability for any species to have and evolution would predict more species would have this ability, but they don't.

You can't say because animals have complex defense features it must be an evolutionary arms race. Prove that any such mechanism exists.
Intelligence benefits long-lived creatures with low birth rates (humans, whales, elephants, dolphins) far more than it benefits other species that have high birth rates in which individual survival is less important. That is why there is a trend toward higher intelligence in the longer lived species I mentioned. Evolution is not about individual survival, but rather the continuation of the species, something most creationists seem to misunderstand.
 
You must have missed the point where I mentioned I was raised Catholic and that I think faith plays an important role in society.

As far as your french revolution commente im going to redirect you to my previous post about how the chinese revolution was more nuanced and complex an event and it can't be simplified to an atheist murder machine. As far as history being a fantastic predictor I'll again redirect you to Japan, Scandanavia, Most of Northern Europe; in the other direction I'll point you in the direction of the Crusades, the Middle East, the Balkan conflict, most accounts of ethnic cleansing blah blah. If you oversimplify any set of violent events you could make the case of atheism vs. theism causing it, but that's an irresponsible and narrow analysis. That being said, no one ever kills "because atheism" but plenty kill "because my faith"

How the **** are there this many young earth creationists on a pre-med forum.

Wow. I understand why many people are becoming argumentative with you. Alright let's break this down numerically.

1. I'm not a young earth creationist. I never said I was.

2. You and I both know that those religious wars, i.e crusades, were not for the spread of God's teachings rather for control of land, power, and wealth. Sort of like how the Iraq War was fought under the guise of terrorism. If you want proof of this, please look at the outcome of those religious wars you mentioned i.e the Reconquista.

3. Save for the extremists, people generally do not kill because of faith. Actually, we have a special words allocated for those who do; murderers, crazies, criminals, sinners, psychopaths. Choose which one you like the most, i'm not picky.

4. You're saying people do not kill because of atheism. Well my good sir do you know how many monks/nuns were exiled or killed during the dechristianization phase of the French Revolution? Yeah I'm bringing it up again. Want to know why? From a historical standpoint this is still considered somewhat "contemporary".

5. Really is just a continuation of 4. but I like a long list. Let's both look at Japan. More specifically, let's look at the Edo period. If you know anything about Japanese history (which I'm assuming you do since you felt the need to bring it up) then you should already know that the Tokugawa shogunates committed mass genocide against Christians.

I'm certain that even after you read my post you will jump to the conclusion that I think Atheist Institutions or bodies of government are horrendous. They are not. I can see it for what it truly is, someone else's perspective. How they have interpreted the life they've live. From what I've read of your posts in this thread you for some reason can't come to grips with accepting somebody else's perspective on life. You're blatant bigotry towards young earth creationists is nothing short of sickening and hypocritical as you are representing the very thing which you just claimed to detest.
 
Like you, I did the same. I have yet to see any evidence that confirms evolution. There are a lot of massive gaps in the theory. Start from the beginning (according to your theory) when no life existed. Go from there and fill in the blanks. How did the first cell "magically" assemble itself and become alive? This is conveniently neglected in biology texts. If by some chance a cell would emerge, why would it have a mechanism to reproduce? Why would this cell have all the machinery to sustain its own life? etc.... keep going.
This is why I can't take you seriously. You haven't done your homework. Evolution has nothing to do with biogenesis. Evolution presumes the existence of the first organism. How the first organism came is a completely different theory. Besides, the god of the gaps has only eroded as knowledge has increased. I'm not about to get into a discussion on the details of evolution. If you want a detailed response to your questions, talk to an expert or find reputable sources. I'm not here to convince you or pretend I'm an expert. Besides, where is your evidence for "god did it" besides the bible?
 
You're making a false assumption. Humans evolved ever-increasing intelligence to compensate for other areas that we were lacking in physically. We didn't have claws or tusks, so the humans that learned to use spears other tools were more able to adapt to threats by creatures that had better natural armaments. Other animals were already largely adapted to their environments, and did not require such drastic cognitive abilities to cope with the areas in which they evolved. Brain mass is an enormous energy expenditure, but would provide far less initial benefit to many other creatures than it would to humans. You could make a tiger smart enough to use tools, or language, for instance, but they lack both the physical adaptations to successfully utilize most tools and the social structures that would be best served by complex language. The physical adaptations and social structures of the great apes left them in a unique position to benefit greatly from increased brain mass. And there were other intelligent creatures- the ancestors and relatives of humanity, many of which either died off or were directly killed by us. We are all that remains of our branch of the genetic tree, and are also the first animals to have such a high level of intelligence and cognition.

Now that we exist, no such other group will likely ever evolve, so long as we are present. We have disrupted the environment to such an extent that the greatest survival advantage a species can have is its ability to either avoid us or adapt to our presence. Creatures of the size required to develop complex intelligence are quite poor at both, and are often our favorite things to hunt (big cats, whales, bears, gorillas). Even if we were to leave an area completely untouched by human influence, our species would probably be wiped out before we saw another intelligent species. The reason is pretty easy to understand. It took billions of years for one intelligent species to result, as evolution does not select for the smartest creatures, merely those best suited for survival, so we basically resulted entirely by the chance occurrence that one of our ancestors developed intelligence and brain mass in such a time and place that it actually provided them with a survival advantage. Cockroaches, for instance, aren't very smart, but their ancestors will probably far outlive those of humanity due to their resilience and the speed at which they breed. There is no reason for them to become any smarter- a more intelligent cockroach would require more food, and would thus deplete resources in a given area faster. The survival advantage offered by the additional intelligence might save an individual cockroach here and there, but at a significant resource requirement that could instead be used to just breed a larger population of dumb cockroaches. Thus, unintelligent cockroaches are more fit to produce a larger population of offspring, leaving it unlikely we'll ever have super intelligent cockroach overlords.

Intelligence, in an evolutionary sense, is not all that special. Creatures are adapted to their environments, and the way their brain functions must be optimal for the form that they have developed to cope with said environment. Intelligence isn't going to really help a salmon, a sea otter, a desert lizard, or a wasp more than the coloric and homeostatic requirements of such a complex system of neurons hurts them. They're better off saving that energy for sex and maintaining their core temperature.

Also those fish still exist. They aren't some mythical creature like giant men we've never found skeletons of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lungfish

This is all great, but it doesn't prove GC1000's request to prove a mechanism exists. This is all just speculation.
 
Vive le revolution!
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Yes most physicians are religious, but correct me if I'm wrong, they are less religious than the rest of the population

I've always found that most physicians are Republican and since most Republicans are religious, most physicians are religious.

I'm a pretty big liberal myself btw.
 
You're blatant bigotry towards young earth creationists is nothing short of sickening and hypocritical as you are representing the very thing which you just claimed to detest.

Well said.
 
This is why I can't take you seriously. You haven't done your homework. Evolution has nothing to do with biogenesis. Evolution presumes the existence of the first organism. How the first organism came is a completely different theory. Besides, the god of the gaps has only eroded as knowledge has increased. I'm not about to get into a discussion on the details of evolution. If you want a detailed response to your questions, talk to an expert or find reputable sources. I'm not here to convince you or pretend I'm an expert. Besides, where is your evidence for "god did it" besides the bible?

The evidence based details are conveniently excluded from biology textbooks too.
 
This is all great, but it doesn't prove GC1000's request to prove a mechanism exists. This is all just speculation.
Evolution is the mechanism. I was just providing the reasoning for why it is sound. If you believe nothing can be proved via a preponderance of evidence (fossils, genetic proof, actual real world examples of speciation, and sound reasoning) then you're basically saying that the very foundations of society should be tossed out. Law? That relies on evidence, rather than direct observation! Basically all of science? That's just evidence, I'm not seeing the exact mechanism here, all I see is theories! Philosophy and ethics? That's just people thinking too much about things, there is no proof that any of them are right!

If you take such a view, everything is essentially bull**** but the Bible, which is taken as not bull**** because Jesus or something.
 
What's everyone's favorite type of steak with specifics?
I cut my own filet mignon, wrap it bacon with garlic between the steak and the bacon, add just a touch of my favorite spices, heat on the grill over foil, then brown a bit over flame once it's looking nice. Not burning the bacon is the hard part- it'll light on fire if you do things wrong, which has happened to me a couple times.
 
I cut my own filet mignon, wrap it bacon with garlic between the steak and the bacon, add just a touch of my favorite spices, heat on the grill over foil, then brown a bit over flame once it's looking nice. Not burning the bacon is the hard part- it'll light on fire if you do things wrong, which has happened to me a couple times.

But what specific evidence makes it the best?!?!
 
Evolution is the mechanism. I was just providing the reasoning for why it is sound. If you believe nothing can be proved via a preponderance of evidence (fossils, genetic proof, actual real world examples of speciation, and sound reasoning) then you're basically saying that the very foundations of society should be tossed out. Law? That relies on evidence, rather than direct observation! Basically all of science? That's just evidence, I'm not seeing the exact mechanism here, all I see is theories! Philosophy and ethics? That's just people thinking too much about things, there is no proof that any of them are right!

If you take such a view, everything is essentially bullcrap but the Bible, which is taken as not bullcrap because Jesus or something.

Evolution is the mechanism, ok. What is the proof this mechanism exists? The "reasoning" it is sound is not scientific fact. Reasoning is great, but without evidence reasoning would not get a conviction in a court room. It may make perfect sense for someone to commit a crime, but if there is no evidence they will be acquitted.
 
I cut my own filet mignon, wrap it bacon with garlic between the steak and the bacon, add just a touch of my favorite spices, heat on the grill over foil, then brown a bit over flame once it's looking nice. Not burning the bacon is the hard part- it'll light on fire if you do things wrong, which has happened to me a couple times.

But you haven't explained where the steak came from, precisely how much spice you add, or your alleged foil mechanism. Therefore the only reasonable conclusion is that the whole filet-mignon-to-bacon-wrapped-cooked-steak theory is demonstrably false, leaving the obvious and only other possible answer that it was made in its final state by a benevolent God. If you fail to see this it's because you're weak minded sheeple who believe whatever your PhD educated college professors told you in cooking class. Open your mind.
 
Evolution is the mechanism, ok. What is the proof this mechanism exists? The "reasoning" it is sound is not scientific fact. Reasoning is great, but without evidence reasoning would not get a conviction in a court room. It may make perfect sense for someone to commit a crime, but if there is no evidence they will be acquitted.

Because steak is wonderful.
 
I cut my own filet mignon, wrap it bacon with garlic between the steak and the bacon, add just a touch of my favorite spices, heat on the grill over foil, then brown a bit over flame once it's looking nice. Not burning the bacon is the hard part- it'll light on fire if you do things wrong, which has happened to me a couple times.
Directions unclear: Made a bacon cheeseburger.
 
But what specific evidence makes it the best?!?!
It's mostly the cut and where I buy it from. There is a legendary local butcher that sells the best beef and bacon I've ever tasted in my life. I can get a tenderloin cut for about 1/2-3/4 of what it would cost at a supermarket. The only other thing that makes it great is cooking the meat carefully. A poorly cooked steak that was a great cut is still a ****ty steak. It's all about making your food with love. And I can't tell you what my spices are (because they're different errytime) but those help too.
 
There is a legendary local butcher that sells the best beef and bacon I've ever tasted in my life

But that's your opinion, not hard, scientific fact!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!eleven!!!!


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Evolution is the mechanism, ok. What is the proof this mechanism exists? The "reasoning" it is sound is not scientific fact. Reasoning is great, but without evidence reasoning would not get a conviction in a court room. It may make perfect sense for someone to commit a crime, but if there is no evidence they will be acquitted.
The evidence is the fossils and everything else I mentioned. We've got the motive (survival of the fittest) the evidence/murder weapon/corroborating circumstances (fossils, actual witnessed speciation events, genes from older species present in their descendants) and the theory of how it went down (evolution). That is exactly what you would use to get a conviction. If you've got a murder weapon, a guy with a fitting motive, and an idea of how things might have went down, that is how you prosecute a case. You don't need video footage, you don't need a witness (but the help, and we've got those too anyway in the witnessed speciation events). You just need to take all of the glaringly obvious stuff and then explain how it all fits together.
 
The evidence is the fossils and everything else I mentioned. We've got the motive (survival of the fittest) the evidence/murder weapon/corroborating circumstances (fossils, actual witnessed speciation events, genes from older species present in their descendants) and the theory of how it went down (evolution). That is exactly what you would use to get a conviction. If you've got a murder weapon, a guy with a fitting motive, and an idea of how things might have went down, that is how you prosecute a case. You don't need video footage, you don't need a witness (but the help, and we've got those too anyway in the witnessed speciation events). You just need to take all of the glaringly obvious stuff and then explain how it all fits together.


Yo... Fry me up a fossil. We gonna prove evolution right up in here.
 
Wow. I understand why many people are becoming argumentative with you. Alright let's break this down numerically.

1. I'm not a young earth creationist. I never said I was.

2. You and I both know that those religious wars, i.e crusades, were not for the spread of God's teachings rather for control of land, power, and wealth. Sort of like how the Iraq War was fought under the guise of terrorism. If you want proof of this, please look at the outcome of those religious wars you mentioned i.e the Reconquista.

3. Save for the extremists, people generally do not kill because of faith. Actually, we have a special words allocated for those who do; murderers, crazies, criminals, sinners, psychopaths. Choose which one you like the most, i'm not picky.

4. You're saying people do not kill because of atheism. Well my good sir do you know how many monks/nuns were exiled or killed during the dechristianization phase of the French Revolution? Yeah I'm bringing it up again. Want to know why? From a historical standpoint this is still considered somewhat "contemporary".

5. Really is just a continuation of 4. but I like a long list. Let's both look at Japan. More specifically, let's look at the Edo period. If you know anything about Japanese history (which I'm assuming you do since you felt the need to bring it up) then you should already know that the Tokugawa shogunates committed mass genocide against Christians.

I'm certain that even after you read my post you will jump to the conclusion that I think Atheist Institutions or bodies of government are horrendous. They are not. I can see it for what it truly is, someone else's perspective. How they have interpreted the life they've live. From what I've read of your posts in this thread you for some reason can't come to grips with accepting somebody else's perspective on life. You're blatant bigotry towards young earth creationists is nothing short of sickening and hypocritical as you are representing the very thing which you just claimed to detest.
Ive adressed the contents of these concerns in previous posts and am tired of restating them.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to resign from this conversation for a second time. My commitment to the practice and integrity of science cannot permit me to further entertain the circular apologetics of the proponents or defenders of ideologies that are wholly incongruous with the preponderance of evidence. My purpose was never to antagonize the religious, but rather the group of religious people that hold these absurd opinions. Young earthc creationism is not a lifestyle choice, it is simply being wrong. Theism is a lifestyle choice. I find the defense of YEC by non YEC advocates to be insulting to theists, serious scientists, and the adult world. A parallel could be drawn to defending a belief in the tooth fairy as a lifestyle choice. Furthermore, tolerance of obviously false beliefs is insulting and condescending to the holders of said beliefs and their presumed status as conscious human beings.

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The evidence is the fossils and everything else I mentioned. We've got the motive (survival of the fittest) the evidence/murder weapon/corroborating circumstances (fossils, actual witnessed speciation events, genes from older species present in their descendants) and the theory of how it went down (evolution). That is exactly what you would use to get a conviction. If you've got a murder weapon, a guy with a fitting motive, and an idea of how things might have went down, that is how you prosecute a case. You don't need video footage, you don't need a witness (but the help, and we've got those too anyway in the witnessed speciation events). You just need to take all of the glaringly obvious stuff and then explain how it all fits together.

Exactly!!!!! They want to use established evidence of life to prove God created reproducible organisms from the get-go without anyone needing to witness everything.

Yet they don't want us to use those same standards against them. We have the established evidence, the genetic links, we (unlike Creationists) have witnessed evolution of lower organisms such as bacteria and eukaryotes (essentially the same cells we are made of) but to them its not evidence enough.

Gotta love the double standard.
 
Ive adressed the contents of these concerns in previous posts and am tired of restating them.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to resign from this conversation for a second time. My commitment to the practice and integrity of science cannot permit me to further entertain the circular apologetics of the proponents or defenders of ideologies that are wholly incongruous with the preponderance of evidence. My purpose was never to antagonize the religious, but rather the group of religious people that hold these absurd opinions. Young earthc creationism is not a lifestyle choice, it is simply being wrong. Theism is a lifestyle choice. I find the defense of YEC by non YEC advocates to be insulting to theists, serious scientists, and the adult world. A parallel could be drawn to defending a belief in the tooth fairy as a lifestyle choice. Furthermore, tolerance of obviously false beliefs is insulting and condescending to the holders of said beliefs and their presumed status as conscious human beings.

Tl;dr **** off.

What an elaborate and colorful way to advocate parochialism.

I accept the fact that you wish to end the conversation and, as always, respectfully disagree with you opinion.
 
What an elaborate and colorful way to advocate parochialism.

I accept the fact that you wish to end the conversation and, as always, respectfully disagree with you opinion.
I apologize for my ascerbic tone, I'm more frustrated at some people botching up some calculations in my lab than I am personally at you or anyone on this thread.
 
I apologize for my ascerbic tone, I'm more frustrated at some people botching up some calculations in my lab than I am personally at you or anyone on this thread.

It is quite alright. Religion and politics can be touchy subjects; also, I'm not without fault. Haha I completely understand where you're coming from. Lab can be stressful and careless lab partners are frustrating.
 
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