Is there a "right" time to start extra curriculars?

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Just wondering but do med schools expect you to have been involved with volunteering/shadowing/clinical, etc. all throughout your college years? I screwed up in that department my first year and currently am in my 2nd. Right now im looking into a bunch of research and/or clinical/volunteering options to start mid or end of the semester and stick to them hopefully throughout the year. But my general question was whether or not i should be overly worried about my mess-up.
 
Just wondering but do med schools expect you to have been involved with volunteering/shadowing/clinical, etc. all throughout your college years? I screwed up in that department my first year and currently am in my 2nd. Right now im looking into a bunch of research and/or clinical/volunteering options to start mid or end of the semester and stick to them hopefully throughout the year. But my general question was whether or not i should be overly worried about my mess-up.
I didn't start doing any med school related EC's until the summer after sophomore year. Was accepted to an MD school this year. Obviously wasn't ideal, but wasn't a deal breaker either. The sooner the better, the more the better (generally).
 
Earlier is always better. But starting as a sophomore is not that bad. The real problem is the people that do a flurry of activity in the semester before they apply.
 
The right time to start ECs if you haven't already is now. Or ASAP. But not for simply putting on your application, I have really enjoyed the people I've met while doing my EC stuff. If I hadn't been doing that I'd have been sitting at home playing video games or out drinking more. ECs are a better use of my time. That said, it's always good to show commitment to something by doing it for some time period before applying. Shadowing may be the exception. I did most of mine in the month or two before I submitted my app and I haven't had it brought up as an issue yet.
 
Does working considered as an EC? What if I'm working right now in the medical field full-time and also going to school full-time? I'm having a hard time doing any more ECs because I'm always busy with school and work, although I'm almost done with my EMT course while working as a nurse assistant.
 
Do it now. You don't want to get to your junior year and realize that your ECs might end up holding you back (like me!)
 
I do not expect this to be the popular answer here, but:

after all the exams are over. Or never.

I believe there is, and will always be, a trade off between academics and ECs at some level of workload.

Cookie-cutter boxes can be checked off during summers or after school terms. For everything other than grades and test points, people have gotten in without it.

This is the advice I took and I now regret it....

~4 hours a week is all it takes. I doubt you can't find 4 hours in your whole week.
 
I do not expect this to be the popular answer here, but:

after all the exams are over. Or never.

I believe there is, and will always be, a trade off between academics and ECs at some level of workload.

Cookie-cutter boxes can be checked off during summers or after school terms. For everything other than grades and test points, people have gotten in without it.

Please do not do this. If you have no activities outside of your schoolwork, it will not reflect well on your ability to 1) Be normal 2) Be relatable 3) Be able to handle a multitasking load outside of your academics. This is something that schools actually pay attention to. As another poster said, just do 3-4 hours a week of something and that will do wonders for you. Honestly, it's not that hard to do more than that. If you can't spare a few hours a week to handle your undergraduate coursework, you will really struggle in medical school.

Keep in mind that you'll be competing with applicants that have juggled 20hr/week part time jobs, or research, or volunteer gigs, while maintaining high academic standards.
 
Just wondering but do med schools expect you to have been involved with volunteering/shadowing/clinical, etc. all throughout your college years? I screwed up in that department my first year and currently am in my 2nd. Right now im looking into a bunch of research and/or clinical/volunteering options to start mid or end of the semester and stick to them hopefully throughout the year. But my general question was whether or not i should be overly worried about my mess-up.

I wouldn't call it a mess up! I also pursued other non-medical interests my freshman year and didn't become a premed--science coursework or EC-wise--until the start of my sophomore year. My feeling is that as long as you're doing what you like at a high level, adcoms won't admonish you for starting medically-related ECs a little bit later than the average SDN premed.
 
I do not expect this to be the popular answer here, but:

after all the exams are over. Or never.

I believe there is, and will always be, a trade off between academics and ECs at some level of workload.

Cookie-cutter boxes can be checked off during summers or after school terms. For everything other than grades and test points, people have gotten in without it.

I also disagree. It's important to balance ECs with school.
 
Do it when you can fit in it...if you are i na situation that will cause you to stress out too much and potentially burn out then wait until you can do it and keep up grades while doing a good job with extra currics. If you can handle it just fine right now then go at it.

You are not in bad shape right now, you are a sophomore. Don't freak out:scared:

I decided I was going to medical school late in the game...I am going to finish my bachelors degree this year, thank god I kept my gpa high prior to this decision , but I am not prepared extracurricular wise/clinical/research etc. You are not in bad shape in terms of extracurricular
 
What you call "EC"s are labeled experiences on the AMCAS application. The headings under which you can list an experience inlclude:
employment (broken down into military and non-military), volunteer (again broken down into clinical and non-clinical), research, tutoring and teaching, leadership, artistic endeavors, athletics, leadership, publications, presentations, conferences attended, scholarships/honors/awards, hobbies/advocations, and other. There might be a couple of categories that I have forgotten but those are the major ones.

Activities need not be "pre-med" related to be listed. School band or orchestra, dance or cultural show, work-study employment, elected position in your dorm or frat, etc Activities need not be on campus to be listed so you can list a summer job, volunteerism through your church or civic organization, scouting, even things you've done on your own such as training for a marathon or hiking in Yosemite.
 
Do it when you have free time. Honestly people will tell you to do it all semester, every semester. But if you do that there could be a chance of your GPA dropping if you do too much. Good luck!👍
 
i knew people in high school who were serious about college admissions and ecs, and did not end up ahead of less serious applicants. I happen to believe that is because of the effect of ecs on the amount of time, focus, and energy for courses. I believe that people for whom there is a trade off are the majority, considering that most do not have near a 4.0 gpa.

I believe the time commitments that make people seem normal and personable would be things like drink more alcohol and be at parties. At least, where i have taken courses that would be true. Not leadership positions or anything that counts as a listable ec.

+1
 
This shows the flaws in the admissions process. Theoretically speaking, shouldnt people have been volunteering and participating in clubs since freshman year, even if they were not pre-med at the time?
 
ASAP. Freshman year of college (once you figure out how you handle courses, college life, etc...)
 
I knew people in high school who were serious about college admissions and ECs, and did not end up ahead of less serious applicants. I happen to believe that is because of the effect of ECs on the amount of time, focus, and energy for courses. I believe that people for whom there is a trade off are the majority, considering that most do not have near a 4.0 gpa.

I believe the time commitments that make people seem normal and personable would be things like drink more alcohol and be at parties. At least, where I have taken courses that would be true. Not leadership positions or anything that counts as a listable EC.

That's exactly what i was thinking...

@OP Just start doing some ASAP but don't kill yourself. Like everyone on here has said, don't let your EC's hurt your grades/MCAT. Also, unless you are taking a full-time class load in the summer, use that as time to rack up some hours.

Good Luck. 👍
 
That's exactly what i was thinking...

@OP Just start doing some ASAP but don't kill yourself. Like everyone on here has said, don't let your EC's hurt your grades/MCAT. Also, unless you are taking a full-time class load in the summer, use that as time to rack up some hours.

Good Luck. 👍

Nice to see that someone else feels same way. I do not think that a good number of SDN members feel that way. Looking at other threads regarding ECs, members will attack those who do not enjoy volunteering. It is frustrating to see them villified. Volunteering is just that. Volunteering. I have many friends in college who never volunteered, and they were nice people. I don't judge if someone hasn't volunteered.

I think someone is normal if they are a good person, who can treat others with respect. Strange they need many hours of this to "prove" it.

Last time I checked, non-pre-med undergrads were not lining up in droves at hospitals to clean beds and stock linens for free. It is quite a coincidence that people start doing so many ECs once they become pre-med. Now if only ADCOMS can see pre-meds who they really are, and not make so many who would not be doing these activities otherwise to lie through teeth.
 
Nice to see that someone else feels same way. I do not think that a good number of SDN members feel that way. Looking at other threads regarding ECs, members will attack those who do not enjoy volunteering. It is frustrating to see them villified. Volunteering is just that. Volunteering. I have many friends in college who never volunteered, and they were nice people. I don't judge if someone hasn't volunteered.

I think someone is normal if they are a good person, who can treat others with respect. Strange they need many hours of this to "prove" it.

Last time I checked, non-pre-med undergrads were not lining up in droves at hospitals to clean beds and stock linens for free. It is quite a coincidence that people start doing so many ECs once they become pre-med. Now if only ADCOMS can see pre-meds who they really are, and not make so many who would not be doing these activities otherwise to lie through teeth.

Sadly, volunteering is part of the game. In order to be as competitive as possible you need to volunteer as early as possible. Is this system dishonest and flawed? I think so. Should you still volunteer as early as possible? I still think so.
 
Last time I checked, non-pre-med undergrads were not lining up in droves at hospitals to clean beds and stock linens for free. It is quite a coincidence that people start doing so many ECs once they become pre-med. Now if only ADCOMS can see pre-meds who they really are, and not make so many who would not be doing these activities otherwise to lie through teeth.

There is so much more to volunteering than this. I think you can tell a lot about a person's personality and motivations by the experiences they engage in. I am interested in LGBT issues, and volunteer in that community. I am also interested in women's health and reproductive health, and volunteer in that area. These experiences are learning experiences; had I not participated in them, I wouldn't have the same perspectives I have today. It is unfortunate that many premeds see volunteering as simply a means to an end, because it can be such a valuable experience.

OP: Don't feel limited to the standard activities premeds do. Find volunteering opportunities that you're passionate about!
 
There is so much more to volunteering than this. I think you can tell a lot about a person's personality and motivations by the experiences they engage in. I am interested in LGBT issues, and volunteer in that community. I am also interested in women's health and reproductive health, and volunteer in that area. These experiences are learning experiences; had I not participated in them, I wouldn't have the same perspectives I have today. It is unfortunate that many premeds see volunteering as simply a means to an end, because it can be such a valuable experience.

OP: Don't feel limited to the standard activities premeds do. Find volunteering opportunities that you're passionate about!

I agree with you. I did a few volunteer gigs through clubs at school. They were fun and I.did them because I wanted to. When I volunteered at hospital, I grinned and did what I had to. It was filled with pre-meds deemed worthless because they spent more time on their phones texting or skipped volunteering all together. Many SDN members are quick to judge these "volunteers," and bash them to no end. It is not just them that should be blamed, but also the admissions process that made volunteering into a check-box item. It is one thing to make an actual requirement, but another to make it an umwritten rule and then force applicants to outright lie.

Sure it is a good experience to volunteer, but lets remember that volunteering is something done willingly. In the admissions process it becomes forced labor for pre-meds who never intended to do it or not like it. Qlso, hospital staff treated us like slaves. Not good.

The ECs have become a double-standard for pre-meds. You would not think twice about a law school applicant or other non-pre-med not volunteering or doing "leadership" experience. Do not give me that they need to be held to a higher standard or once you become pre-med you suddenly become altruistic.
Plenty of people have never volunteered before, and we think nothing of it. We shouldnt because you can be a great person without doing it.

I could have written a better PS talking about my life experiences with friends and family. I do a lot for them. Instead I wrote BS about how cleaning rooms made me altruistic. If I could have written and talked about things I actually liked, then I could have been genuine. Now that shows a real person.
 
I agree with you. I did a few volunteer gigs through clubs at school. They were fun and I.did them because I wanted to. When I volunteered at hospital, I grinned and did what I had to. It was filled with pre-meds deemed worthless because they spent more time on their phones texting or skipped volunteering all together. Many SDN members are quick to judge these "volunteers," and bash them to no end. It is not just them that should be blamed, but also the admissions process that made volunteering into a check-box item. It is one thing to make an actual requirement, but another to make it an umwritten rule and then force applicants to outright lie.

Sure it is a good experience to volunteer, but lets remember that volunteering is something done willingly. In the admissions process it becomes forced labor for pre-meds who never intended to do it or not like it. Qlso, hospital staff treated us like slaves. Not good.

The ECs have become a double-standard for pre-meds. You would not think twice about a law school applicant or other non-pre-med not volunteering or doing "leadership" experience. Do not give me that they need to be held to a higher standard or once you become pre-med you suddenly become altruistic.
Plenty of people have never volunteered before, and we think nothing of it. We shouldnt because you can be a great person without doing it.

I could have written a better PS talking about my life experiences with friends and family. I do a lot for them. Instead I wrote BS about how cleaning rooms made me altruistic. If I could have written and talked about things I actually liked, then I could have been genuine. Now that shows a real person.

I totally agree. Down with forced volunteering!
 
Somebody mentioned altruism.

If you list something on a curriculum vitae or application, then you make it eligible to increase your chances of admissions to something. Once you do that, the actions you listed are not altruistic.

Med school admission has millions of dollars of income at stake. Calling anything in the med school admissions process "altruism" is ridiculous.

A non-medical volunteering with the poor is something adcoms associate with altruism whether you think it's right or not.
 
A non-medical volunteering with the poor is something adcoms associate with altruism whether you think it's right or not.

I agree and disagree with this statement. To support my argument, I point out that pre-meds are told that clinical volunteering "kills two birds with one stone." It helps to gain clinical experience and also shows the pre-med to be "altruistic." Therefore in the eyes of thr ADCOMS, clinical volunteering is already showing altruisim. I will mention non-clinival volunteering in a bit.

In the admissions game there are five types of "volunteers," they are:

1. The pre-meds thay have volunteered long before ever being pre-med, and will continue a life of service long after acceptance. These individuals are genuinely altruistic.

2. The pre-meds that will "coincidentally" rack up many clinical and non-clinical opportunity at the time they become pre-med. Some like to consider themselves altruistic, and some do not. These are typically gunners nonetheless who try to break out of the more typical cookie-cutter mold. Less informed gunners will still do things like mission trips for the purpose of looking unique even though it is common and does not look "good" anymore. These pre-meds may or may not continue after acceptance. This represents a good number of SDN members. All in all these pre-meds would not have volunteered otherwise.

3. The more typical cookie-cutter pre-meds that will do hospital volunteering in order to kill two birds with one stone. They will show their altruism and get the required clinical experience. They will do a minimal commitment, and will grin while doing so. Once they are accepted they will drop the volunteering. They never intended to volunteer in the first place. This represents a good portion of the population and their need to mark this off.

4. The pre-meds who strongly dislike volunteering will sign up at a hospital but will do whatever it takes to either give absolute minimal effort, or to ditch the opportunity completely. They may either skip on a regular basis, sign in and leave, have friends sign them in, dramatically embellish hours, or lie about the experience together. As much as some members refuse to believe their existence, they exist, get into medical school, and bexome doctors.

5. The last type of volunteer isnt really a volunteer. They are either the high achiever that never volunteers at the hospital, or someone who did not realize it was an unwritten rule. Simce a small number of applicants get in without volunteering, they may be successful coming in on stats and research alone. If they are re-applicants, they may revert to numbers two or three. Therefore they not volunteer at all or stop once accepted if they do it as a re-applicant.

This pretty much sums up the volunteers you will find. I knew very few people who were volunteering heavily regardless of studies. Plenty of the gunners will find themselves as number two on the list, yet try to pass themselves off as altruistic and bash anyone further down the list.

The definition of altruism is to selflessly give yourself to the welfare of others. Unless you are number one on the list, you are doing the activities in order to get into medical school. Even when doing non-clinical volunteering, an applicant can still blow it off and cause more harm than good, or they may just quit the moment they get accepted. Now is that really altruism?
 
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I agree and disagree with this statement. To support my argument, I point out that pre-meds are told that clinical volunteering "kills two birds with one stone." It helps to gain clinical experience and also shows the pre-med to be "altruistic." Therefore in the eyes of thr ADCOMS, clinical volunteering is already showing altruisim. I will mention non-clinival volunteering in a bit.

In the admissions game there are five types of "volunteers," they are:

1. The pre-meds thay have volunteered long before ever being pre-med, and will continue a life of service long after acceptance. These individuals are genuinely altruistic.

I'm a nontrad. I did maybe 250-300 hours of various volunteering and fundraising before deciding to pursue medicine. How do I highlight this altruism without seeming like I did it for personal gain?
 
I'm a nontrad. I did maybe 250-300 hours of various volunteering and fundraising before deciding to pursue medicine. How do I highlight this altruism without seeming like I did it for personal gain?

I am sure that when you present it in your personal statement and at interviews, you will.come off as genuine without even realizing it.

I am sure that they aren't that naive where they would actually believe that all pre-meds that volunteer are actually doing it because they want to.
 
Somebody mentioned altruism.

If you list something on a curriculum vitae or application, then you make it eligible to increase your chances of admissions to something. Once you do that, the actions you listed are not altruistic.

Med school admission has millions of dollars of income at stake. Calling anything in the med school admissions process "altruism" is ridiculous.

I agree. In fact, the existence of this thread itself is a testament to students not volunteering for altruistic purposes. As are threads that ask if certain volunteer activities are "good" or not. Theoretically, a pre-med should have been volunteering before going the route and never ask whether an activity is good or no. Altruism would mean that they were never doing activities because of medical school admissions, and there would be no real desire differentiate between "good" and "bad" activities if someone actually does it for genuine reasons.
 
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