Is this considered the line counting method?

[metsfan692]

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Is this considered line counting method?


It doesn't work for all CDP problems but it seems to work for some of them.

For example:

-If you count the number of vertical lines/vertices in the End: 5
Number of Horizontal lines/vertices in answer choices: A(5) B(5) C(6) D(6)

So you'd be down to A&B and then choose from there..



Example from bootcamp

Number of vertical lines/vertices in Front: 4
Number of vertical lines/vertices in Choices: A(5) B(5) C(4) D(3)
Answer is C

 

[Weakfart]

Yeah that's line counting. Line counting works as long as you use it as a supplement to seeing the 3D object. I believe this thread demonstrates why line counting as a standalone did not work. But as long as you are weary of where the dashes are and how the object might look in TFE, you can use line counting (others might disagree). Either way you will have to visualize the object if you use line counting or not, but I found line counting useful in objects on the DAT that had a whole lot of sides like a jagged stone. I used line counting on that and I'm pretty sure my PAT speaks for itself... but maybe those were the ones I got wrong.... huh.

 

[metsfan692]

Yeah that's line counting. Line counting works as long as you use it as a supplement to seeing the 3D object. I believe this thread demonstrates why line counting as a standalone did not work. But as long as you are weary of where the dashes are and how the object might look in TFE, you can use line counting (others might disagree). Either way you will have to visualize the object if you use line counting or not, but I found line counting useful in objects on the DAT that had a whole lot of sides like a jagged stone. I used line counting on that and I'm pretty sure my PAT speaks for itself... but maybe those were the ones I got wrong.... huh.

Did you use that same exact method: vertical lines+ vertices of end = horizontal lines + vertices of top , etc

Bc when I use that method, even with Bootcamp's TFE generator, I can usually find the answer pretty quickly

 

[Weakfart]

Did you use that same exact method: vertical lines+ vertices of end = horizontal lines + vertices of top , etc

Bc when I use that method, even with Bootcamp's TFE generator, I can usually find the answer pretty quickly

Yup, I found the issue where there all the answers have the same count of lines and/or the object has multiple lines anyway but like I said it works as long as your keep in mind the 3D object. I wish I had a few examples but I'm a terrible drawer and it won't help a lot. I guess think of something jagged like broken glass on both sides , the answers might all show the same amount of lines corresponding the the edges but you have to account the distance between the lines as well as if the line is supposed to be dotted or solid.

 

[Ari Rezaei]

Did you use that same exact method: vertical lines+ vertices of end = horizontal lines + vertices of top , etc

Bc when I use that method, even with Bootcamp's TFE generator, I can usually find the answer pretty quickly

What you're using is pretty much line counting, I'd recommend against using it to practice. After you become proficient at visualizing the shape and deducing the answers, it may be worth it to look over to see how line counting is done, because it could help you eliminate an answer choice or two on some questions. I wouldn't rely on it as my main strategy though.

Use the generator to practice visualizing the answer, and use the 3D model to understand where the solid and dotted lines come from. You may be able to answer most of them correctly with line counting, but that won't help improve your score on the PAT practice exams and the real DAT. You need to be able to interpret and visualize the lines, it's challenging at first, but with practice everyone can ace this section.

 

[alexis2010]

yeap. That's line counting. It works 60% of the time. maybe little more

 

[metsfan692]

yeap. That's line counting. It works 60% of the time. maybe little more

By work do you mean it narrows the choices down to the final answer 60% of the time, or just narrows it down one or two 60% of the time

 

[metsfan692]

What you're using is pretty much line counting, I'd recommend against using it to practice. After you become proficient at visualizing the shape and deducing the answers, it may be worth it to look over to see how line counting is done, because it could help you eliminate an answer choice or two on some questions. I wouldn't rely on it as my main strategy though.

Use the generator to practice visualizing the answer, and use the 3D model to understand where the solid and dotted lines come from. You may be able to answer most of them correctly with line counting, but that won't help improve your score on the PAT practice exams and the real DAT. You need to be able to interpret and visualize the lines, it's challenging at first, but with practice everyone can ace this section.

Would you agree or disagree with this strategy for the real DAT: I first quickly use that method to narrow down any answer choices, then use visualization for whichever ones remain. If the method doesn't cross off any answers, then I just start by visualizing all four. I know counting lines is obviously not a strategy to lean on for the entire section, but I feel like if I can immediately cross off one or two off the bat that obviously increases my chances of getting the question correct.

 

[Ari Rezaei]

You can certainly try, there are many different strategies and ways to beat the PAT section. If that's what you feel comfortable with and you score well on practice exams using that, then go for it. You might waste some time though counting the lines and then double checking to make sure you counted them correctly, only for it to work some of the time for a few answer choices. Whereas with the original method, you can use that time to just answer the question directly and move on. It's a matter of preference really, but in the end you're going to need to visualize the shape to get the right answer.

 

[metsfan692]

You can certainly try, there are many different strategies and ways to beat the PAT section. If that's what you feel comfortable with and you score well on practice exams using that, then go for it. You might waste some time though counting the lines and then double checking to make sure you counted them correctly, only for it to work some of the time for a few answer choices. Whereas with the original method, you can use that time to just answer the question directly and move on. It's a matter of preference really, but in the end you're going to need to visualize the shape to get the right answer.

Thanks for the advice

 

[510586]

What you're using is pretty much line counting, I'd recommend against using it to practice. After you become proficient at visualizing the shape and deducing the answers, it may be worth it to look over to see how line counting is done, because it could help you eliminate an answer choice or two on some questions. I wouldn't rely on it as my main strategy though.

Use the generator to practice visualizing the answer, and use the 3D model to understand where the solid and dotted lines come from. You may be able to answer most of them correctly with line counting, but that won't help improve your score on the PAT practice exams and the real DAT. You need to be able to interpret and visualize the lines, it's challenging at first, but with practice everyone can ace this section.

Hey Ari, if you are visualizing the lines, how do you pick without regarding the lines? I don't understand how you can pick any answer without knowing how many lines there are. Can you maybe give me an example of a problem that cannot use line counting or explain it to me? Would it be possible for me to screenshot one of the questions from the DAT generator and work on it with you or would that be copyright (maybe I can msg you via the website)?

 

[510586]

I have been doing it like the wickedpattutorial person does it (like seeing dashed lines as something going through the object, solid lines as one drop in height etc). How is that not line counting? Does looking at the drops in elevation or using the dashes and stuff it still constitutes line counting? Sorry I am just really confused.