Is this program at harvard a good one?

[will-be-fine]

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😳Hi, guys, I have several question,
1. Anybody know about the 2-year implant residency at harvard?

2. As implantology is not yet an accredited specialty by ADA, can one become specialist after graduation from the program like graduates from pros, endo, omfs etc. programes?

3. some people say that the implant programe at LLU is generally considered the leading one, is that true?

4. Harvard is such a famous university allover the world. How's its dental school? Any body konws the rank of harvard school of dental medicine among US dental schools?

any reply will be highly appreciated!

 

[shabu2]

😳Hi, guys, I have several question,
1. Anybody know about the 2-year implant residency at harvard?

2. As implantology is not yet an accredited specialty by ADA, can one become specialist after graduation from the program like graduates from pros, endo, omfs etc. programes?

3. some people say that the implant programe at LLU is generally considered the leading one, is that true?

4. Harvard is such a famous university allover the world. How's its dental school? Any body konws the rank of harvard school of dental medicine among US dental schools?

any reply will be highly appreciated!

Uh, How can you be considered a specialist when its not even a specialty?
The only specialties actively training to place implants are Perio and OMFS.

 

[will-be-fine]

thanks a lot for the reply.
now I am confused, if one can not become a specialist after compeletion of the implant residency program, what's the benefit to do such a program? Other specialty programs such as perio and omfs also provide implant training.

 

[Ligature]

The benefit is getting training based specifically on placing and restoring implants if that's what you want to do.

 

[Dukie]

Uh, How can you be considered a specialist when its not even a specialty?
The only specialties actively training to place implants are Perio and OMFS.

FYI- many of the prosth and endo programs are now teaching implant placement as well.

 

[shabu2]

FYI- many of the prosth and endo programs are now teaching implant placement as well.

Thats because their specialties are stagnant or dying, and I already knew that.

 

[Ligature]

Pros and endo dying? That's an interesting statement.

 

[Dukie]

Pros and endo dying? That's an interesting statement.

Would you like to educate us on why this is supposedly the case? Endo numbers may be taking a small hit from implants, but these two specialties are certainly alive and well.

 

[shabu2]

Anybody care to think about why some prosth, endo programs started to teach implant placement? Or, why perio got into implants in the first place? The almighty dollar. Everyone want a piece of the pie because they know that patients will lean towards implants when given a choice anyways. I would still recommend RCT/Crown to my family members and progress to apico if by chance it were to fail before the implants.

 

[aphistis]

Anybody care to think about why some prosth, endo programs started to teach implant placement? Or, why perio got into implants in the first place? The almighty dollar. Everyone want a piece of the pie because they know that patients will lean towards implants when given a choice anyways. I would still recommend RCT/Crown to my family members and progress to apico if by chance it were to fail before the implants.

Right, but none of that has anything to do with pros and endo "dying" as specialties. Also, by omitting your own OMFS from the specialty list, are we to assume you're placing implants purely out of your burning desire to improve mankind one missing tooth at a time? Spare us the sanctimony, please.

 

[shabu2]

Right, but none of that has anything to do with pros and endo "dying" as specialties. Also, by omitting your own OMFS from the specialty list, are we to assume you're placing implants purely out of your burning desire to improve mankind one missing tooth at a time? Spare us the sanctimony, please.

I just think it is kind of funny that now endo feel that placing implants is a scope of their specialty. Aren't they supposed to save teeth by RCT/Apicos. I kinda think its a good idea if prostho learns how to place since they restore lots of them, but better be very well trained in everything else about surgery.

Save the surgery for real surgeons, implants for perio (since they kinda kick our ***** in soft tissue esthetic zone rehab), I'll stick to my facial trauma/recon/onc, and bill save me the sermon on sanctimony. I can admit my bias, but don't patronize me.

 

[aphistis]

I just think it is kind of funny that now endo feel that placing implants is a scope of their specialty. Aren't they supposed to save teeth by RCT/Apicos. I kinda think its a good idea if prostho learns how to place since they restore lots of them, but better be very well trained in everything else about surgery.

Save the surgery for real surgeons, implants for perio (since they kinda kick our ***** in soft tissue esthetic zone rehab), I'll stick to my facial trauma/recon/onc, and bill save me the sermon on sanctimony. I can admit my bias, but don't patronize me.

I just didn't like the convenient omission of OMFS from your original list. I can agree with everything else.

 

[shabu2]

I just didn't like the convenient omission of OMFS from your original list. I can agree with everything else.

Ok, Ok, OMFS too.....😉 Still friends?

 

[S Files]

Save the surgery for real surgeons, implants for perio (since they kinda kick our ***** in soft tissue esthetic zone rehab), I'll stick to my facial trauma/recon/onc, and bill save me the sermon on sanctimony. I can admit my bias, but don't patronize me.

based on my experience this whole "perio is better with soft tissue" statement is not true at all. i'm surprised by your feelings on this issue.
facial trauma/recon/onc?? what % of omfs actually do that stuff once finished with residency?
endo a dying specialty??? i beg to differ.

 

[shabu2]

based on my experience this whole "perio is better with soft tissue" statement is not true at all. i'm surprised by your feelings on this issue.
facial trauma/recon/onc?? what % of omfs actually do that stuff once finished with residency?
endo a dying specialty??? i beg to differ.

1. Not soft tissue as a whole, but esthetic zone (anteriors) reconstruction with implants have been dominated by perio.
2. I am into trauma/recon/onc, is not the majority of OMFS and I have an interest in academia.
3. Endo is feeling a little pinch from the implant phenomenon. Thats why some programs are teaching implant placement and others 3rd molar removal. Has anyone been referred to a endodontist for implants or thirds before? might be a possibility in the future. dying is kinda a strong word, how about tapering...no pun intended.

 

[aphistis]

1. Not soft tissue as a whole, but esthetic zone (anteriors) reconstruction with implants have been dominated by perio.
2. I am into trauma/recon/onc, is not the majority of OMFS and I have an interest in academia.
3. Endo is feeling a little pinch from the implant phenomenon. Thats why some programs are teaching implant placement and others 3rd molar removal. Has anyone been referred to a endodontist for implants or thirds before? might be a possibility in the future. dying is kinda a strong word, how about tapering...no pun intended.

Wisdom teeth? Seriously? Wow. Any third molars I can't do myself are going to an oral surgeon, not an endodontist(?!) or periodontist.

 

[DunkinDonuts]

3. Endo is feeling a little pinch from the implant phenomenon. Thats why some programs are teaching implant placement and others 3rd molar removal. Has anyone been referred to a endodontist for implants or thirds before? might be a possibility in the future. dying is kinda a strong word, how about tapering...no pun intended.

What endo program is teaching 3rd molar removal? I'd love to know this.

 

[NileBDS]

😳Hi, guys, I have several question,
1. Anybody know about the 2-year implant residency at harvard?

2. As implantology is not yet an accredited specialty by ADA, can one become specialist after graduation from the program like graduates from pros, endo, omfs etc. programes?

3. some people say that the implant programe at LLU is generally considered the leading one, is that true?

4. Harvard is such a famous university allover the world. How's its dental school? Any body konws the rank of harvard school of dental medicine among US dental schools?

any reply will be highly appreciated!

1. I think this program was scrapped a while back at HSDM, and now they have decided to bring it back (just like they did with their post-doc endo program). As far as I know (and I may be wrong), both current residents are already specialists (one prosth and one perio). Actually, I think the first resident is enrolled in both programs simultaneously (Pros DMSc and Implant certificate).

2. Well, no.

3. There is not one good way to compare these programs objectively. It really depends what you are looking for. If you just want to place implants, you'd probably be better off taking CE courses and investing in upgrading your dental software and digital imaging.
I can tell you for a fact that Loma Linda is well accepted (as far as implant training is concerned), and Harvard is yet a born-again program, in search for a director, with too many question marks unanswered. I have no doubt that it will eventually be a great program, but until it carves a niche and finds some grounding again, Loam Linda would be the obvious way to go.

4. Nothing remarkable really. No one can tell how HSDM ranks among other schools. No one really can tell how any dental school ranks nationally for that matter. It all depends on what your plans are post-graduation. If you want to go into general practice, this is definitely not the school for you. In my experience, students who look for the "number one" dental school out there, usually just don't know what they want, and need some other source of assurance that they made the right choice.

Some random thoughts for ranking dental schools:

- Faculty recruitment and retention
- % of students declining acceptance letters
- AEGD/GPR placement
- Specialty placement
- Clinical units accomplished by graduation (competencies)
- Hours spent in clinic practice
- % of senior class graduating on time
- Entering class stats (DAT/GPA)
- NBDE scores
- Leadership
- Organized dentistry
- Regional boards passing rates
- Papers published
- NIH funding
- ...

 

[fido!]

Exactly..I do agree with Nile.....dental schools dont have any rankings!we have discussed all these in our forums(international dental)..remember,Nile?😉

 

[will-be-fine]

Hi, everyone, thank you very much for your answers. I still have one Question. Is it possible to get US licence after the postgraduate program? I mean , after graduate from the implant residency program at harvard, is it easy to find a position in an unversity hospital where I can use the university licence to treat patients? what's the pros and cons of the way if FTD go for this way to practice dentistry in USA.? Many thanks for any input.