Is this weird?

[cjw0918]

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We don't get hardly any positive feedback at my program and our program director is relatively unconcerned with residents. A lot of the attendings even seem unhappy. On rare occassion when my husband (who is not in medicine) has come to the AP sign out room, he says it just feels like gloom and doom. It is kind of like a pressure cooker atmosphere where much is expected of residents and attendings are super busy due to short staffing. How would you describe the feel of your programs and is this weird?

 

[mlw03]

yep, it's weird. if i encountered such a program as an applicant i'd run the other way as quickly as i could. at my home program, even though i'm not staying, i can say that the residents seem happy, with each other and with the faculty they get to work with.

 

[yaah]

I agree that is weird. We have a couple of attendings who rarely give any kind of positive feedback, but they are in the minority. For the program director to be this disinterested is unfortunate.

Attitudes are contagious though. It isn't hard to get to gloom and doom when everyone is stressed out and overworked. If you have a couple of light hearted and positive individuals that can be great for morale because other people will feed off of it.

We have a couple of people in our program who are a bit pessimistic and complain a lot, and you can see that sort of spread to other people. Of course, they might consider it as "speaking the truth" as opposed to complaining. It's all in perspective 😉

All you can really do is be yourself, work hard, don't let others be too much of a problem. There is not much you can do about pressured environments and surly attendings, particularly when the program director seems not to care.

 

[jux]

Sounds brutal. Residents at my program get frequent, appropriate feedback. Pos and neg.

 

[docbiohazard]

Yet another reason I give major kudos to those programs who let applicants sit in on some signout during their interview day. Not nearly as standard a part of the interview day as it should be in my opinion. In fact, here's what I'd like to see as part of any standard interview day:

1) Some form of didactic conference
2) Some form of sign out
3) Lunch/coffee/informal time with residents (this seems to be common)

I know it takes time, but I always felt I had a better overall impression of the programs I interviewed at where I saw all three. I would say, oddly enough, #2 was the LEAST common feature of my residency interviews.

BH

 

[LADoc00]

Dx: Failure of leadership. Sounds like the department is being run as a "latch key" operation by an absentee chairman with little concern for anything other than his/her own pension. This is the norm IMO and not the exception in modern day academia. It is symptom of the disease of socialist workplace models where MDs have little to no personal ownership at stake in the department and are cut minimalist checks likely because the billing system of the hospital is failing to get any sort of reasonable collection rate.

In a universal healthcare future, doom and gloom will be throughly pervasive in healthcare, although true "Apathy" would be a better more accurate descriptive here. Think McDonalds workers somewhere in the rural California central valley near Chula Vista.

 

[cjw0918]

To clarify, my program is NOT in the DFW area for all who have been asking. Irving is my hometown.

 

[DarksideAllstar]

Think McDonalds workers somewhere in the rural California central valley near Chula Vista.

I don't know which Chula Vista you are referring to, but the one I know of is on the border between San Diego and Mexico. By the way, there is a Jack in the Box right when you cross over into the US that you should never eat at down there.

 

[LADoc00]

Ack...yeah you are right. I meant to say Los Banos. But Chula Vista sucks too so it works.

 

[Ziehl-Neelsen]

Los Banos has one of the best breakfast joints in all of California--Eddie's Famous Cafe. The asparagus and feta omlette, the cinammon rolls, the huevos rancheros... All are damn tasty.

If we are naming irredeemable central valley towns, I vote for Turlock or Lemoore.

 

[LADoc00]

Los Banos has one of the best breakfast joints in all of California--Eddie's Famous Cafe. The asparagus and feta omlette, the cinammon rolls, the huevos rancheros... All are damn tasty.

If we are naming irredeemable central valley towns, I vote for Turlock or Lemoore.

actually Turlock isnt that bad.

Will hit up Eddie's next time im in Los Banos tho, thanks!

 

[magician]

ours is among top 3 in every category in weirdness.

 

[Tetrad]

What's the deal with the old testment bible verses?

 

[yaah]

What's the deal with the old testment bible verses?

Yeah, that's true. In actuality the Book of Revelation has all you need to know about the future of pathology. The seven headed beast!
😉

 

[djmd]

Yeah, that's true. In actuality the Book of Revelation has all you need to know about the future of pathology. The seven headed beast!
😉

That sir is NEW testament....

Sorry that is only time in my life I am going to able to correct anyone about the bible..
But that smiley face is all revelations...

 

[LADoc00]

That sir is NEW testament....

Sorry that is only time in my life I am going to able to correct anyone about the bible..
But that smiley face is all revelations...

Yeah revelations is technically the twenty-second epistle of Καινή Διαθήκη

I like quoting OT/Tanakh/תנ״ך because Im more an Old School type guy.

 

[Matte Kudesai]

Yeah revelations is technically the twenty-second epistle of Καινή Διαθήκη

I like quoting OT/Tanakh/תנ״ך because Im more an Old School type guy.

Hey old school its actually REVELATION without the (s).

This is the scary part of the text:
Genesis 47
So Joseph bought all the land in Egypt for Pharaoh.
.....The Egyptians, one and all, sold their fields, because the famine was too severe for them. The land became Pharaoh's, 21 and Joseph reduced the people to servitude, from one end of Egypt to the other. 22 However, he did not buy the land of the priests, because they received a regular allotment from Pharaoh and had food enough from the allotment Pharaoh gave them. That is why they did not sell their land.

When the medical system goes bonkers soon can the pathologist be the priests? Who will be Pharaoh? Are you Joseph? will you reduce us to servitude?

 

[106174]

To clarify, my program is NOT in the DFW area for all who have been asking. Irving is my hometown.

Thank you for clarifying that, cjw. We at UTSW are all very happy here and our program director is definitely very much invested in us and our residency program.

Sorry to hear about your woes in your program...

 

[LADoc00]

Hey old school its actually REVELATION without the (s).

This is the scary part of the text:
Genesis 47
So Joseph bought all the land in Egypt for Pharaoh.
.....The Egyptians, one and all, sold their fields, because the famine was too severe for them. The land became Pharaoh's, 21 and Joseph reduced the people to servitude, from one end of Egypt to the other. 22 However, he did not buy the land of the priests, because they received a regular allotment from Pharaoh and had food enough from the allotment Pharaoh gave them. That is why they did not sell their land.

When the medical system goes bonkers soon can the pathologist be the priests? Who will be Pharaoh? Are you Joseph? will you reduce us to servitude?

Yes the Book of Revelation, but within it there are numerous revelations, plural, so that is arguing semantics.

The quote is VERY apt, not just for Pathology but for all of medicine. The "Who is what" in this allegory is immaterial, but just merely realize this will come to pass in America and likely the entire developed world in the next few decades.

 

[djmd]

Yes the Book of Revelation, but within it there are numerous revelations, plural, so that is arguing semantics.

The quote is VERY apt, not just for Pathology but for all of medicine. The "Who is what" in this allegory is immaterial, but just merely realize this will come to pass in America and likely the entire developed world in the next few decades.

I figured it was more national/global associated with Ron Paul, and less with pathology in specifics...

 

[yaah]

That sir is NEW testament....

Sorry that is only time in my life I am going to able to correct anyone about the bible..
But that smiley face is all revelations...

Duh, I was saying, "Yes, I agree that the old testament is not appropriate, the new testament is more appropriate because it has the book of revelation." Pay more attention!!! 😛

I know all about the Bible.

 

[djmd]

Duh, I was saying, "Yes, I agree that the old testament is not appropriate, the new testament is more appropriate because it has the book of revelation." Pay more attention!!! 😛

I know all about the Bible.

You must learn to be more precise... precision is the key to pathology or so some old pathology attending used to lecture residents.... 😴