It looks like Alice Walton has achieved preliminary accreditation from the LCME!

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ecobio said:
And, tuition will be FREE! 😀

Alice L. Walton School of Medicine

Explore the premier medical school in the Cotton Belt region, offering top-tier education and training for future doctors. Learn more at AWSOM.
www.alwmedschool.org www.alwmedschool.org
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Slight note: It's free for the first 5 classes (ala Kaiser)

Would be interesting to see if that results in a bigger number of applicants compared to other schools that recently opened. Bentonville isn't exactly Pasadena, but nothing beats free tuition. Oh well, irrelevant to me as a current med student.
 
now i'm wondering if roseman got their accreditation.. :thinking:
 
AJS59 said:
Slight note: It's free for the first 5 classes (ala Kaiser)

Would be interesting to see if that results in a bigger number of applicants compared to other schools that recently opened. Bentonville isn't exactly Pasadena, but nothing beats free tuition. Oh well, irrelevant to me as a current med student.
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They will focus on mission fit, especially to address the healthcare workforce needs of Arkansas. We'll see who they get.
 
Dom Dolla said:
now i'm wondering if roseman got their accreditation.. :thinking:
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I checked after I saw this announced, but no announcement yet on Roseman. The LCME committees have to make their reports directly to each school about their status and although the timing of their applications were similar the determinations might not be done at the same time.
 
Still nothing from Roseman. Based on prev years and how the process is, does anyone know it they'll release anything if they did not get accreditation or just stay silent?
 
Xbeeman said:
Still nothing from Roseman. Based on prev years and how the process is, does anyone know it they'll release anything if they did not get accreditation or just stay silent?
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I have been checking the LCME directory every so often to see what is happening. Prior to today, Alice Walton and Roseman were listed as candidate schools, with several other applicant schools on the roster. Today Alice Walton moved to the main list with prelim accreditation. ASU and Methodist have both been upgraded to candidate.

And Roseman is... still listed as a candidate. Hard to say what is going on. It seems clear that they haven't been granted clean prelim accreditation, perhaps they're currently fighting over the outcome of the survey visit and everyone's lawyers have gotten involved.
 
Med Ed said:
I have been checking the LCME directory every so often to see what is happening. Prior to today, Alice Walton and Roseman were listed as candidate schools, with several other applicant schools on the roster. Today Alice Walton moved to the main list with prelim accreditation. ASU and Methodist have both been upgraded to candidate.

And Roseman is... still listed as a candidate. Hard to say what is going on. It seems clear that they haven't been granted clean prelim accreditation, perhaps they're currently fighting over the outcome of the survey visit and everyone's lawyers have gotten involved.
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Methodist???? Who are they?
 
Goro said:
Methodist???? Who are they?
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There's a website called "Watchete" that will notify you when changes are made to a webpage. A single webpage is free. I have a monitor that watches the LCME accredited schools page and then sends me an email when things are updated. Here's a screenshot from the email I get:

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Mr.Smile12 said:
www.prnewswire.com

The University of Silicon Andhra Announces Plans to Build World Class Campus in San Joaquin County

/PRNewswire/ -- The University of Silicon Andhra (UofSA) is excited to announce its plans to build a world class campus in San Joaquin County and its inclusion...
www.prnewswire.com www.prnewswire.com

Obviously this is different than
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Lol, obviously a school touting "naturopathic" medicine would be a likely candidate for a new MD program. Maybe they just mistyped in google thinking they were looking for ND applications.
 
voxveritatisetlucis said:
They really have to stop making new medical schools
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I'm really starting to wonder where all these students are going to match. Two new med schools have opened in my state in the past few years, and we don't have many residencies where I'm at. And the students aren't trained well anyway.

At the same time though, maybe this is the plan to basically force more FM doctors to be produced?

I'm the biggest FM fanboy ever, but I don't want anyone in the field simply because they couldn't match anywhere else (I mean there's always Emergency Medicine as well but God have mercy on those poor souls)
 
AJS59 said:
Lol, obviously a school touting "naturopathic" medicine would be a likely candidate for a new MD program. Maybe they just mistyped in google thinking they were looking for ND applications.
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I think I know that school. I believe it's a Telugu cultural school. It's wild that they are trying to make a medical school when they teach Ayurveda lessons. Can they even pass?
www.linkedin.com

Anand Kuchibhotla on LinkedIn: Excited to share that University of Silicon Andhra (UofSA) School of… | 24 comments

Excited to share that University of Silicon Andhra (UofSA) School of Medicine has achieved APPLICANT STATUS with LCME (Liaison Committee on Medical Education),… | 24 comments on LinkedIn
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Same school. Are they trying to do both ND and MD at the same time???

About Us – University of Silicon Andhra

uofsa.edu uofsa.edu

Then again I believe Pitt has a Chiropractic school now so might as well....
 
Hollow Knight said:
I'm really starting to wonder where all these students are going to match. Two new med schools have opened in my state in the past few years, and we don't have many residencies where I'm at. And the students aren't trained well anyway.

At the same time though, maybe this is the plan to basically force more FM doctors to be produced?

I'm the biggest FM fanboy ever, but I don't want anyone in the field simply because they couldn't match anywhere else (I mean there's always Emergency Medicine as well but God have mercy on those poor souls)
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AI is going to replace many non procedural specialties so basically they’re just training more doctors for specialties that won’t exist in 10 years. We should be training less doctors not more
 
voxveritatisetlucis said:
AI is going to replace many non procedural specialties so basically they’re just training more doctors for specialties that won’t exist in 10 years. We should be training less doctors not more
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You didn't know how to take a pediatric history 2 months ago.
 
Med Ed said:
You didn't know how to take a pediatric history 2 months ago.
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And all doctors in the office used an AI scribe that basically wrote the entire history, assessment, and plan. If these tools are already doing 90% of the work, imagine where they will be in 10 years
 
voxveritatisetlucis said:
AI is going to replace many non procedural specialties so basically they’re just training more doctors for specialties that won’t exist in 10 years. We should be training less doctors not more
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Again I point out (not to derail this thread of course) that if AI manages to push doctors out of jobs then all other current high-paying careers other than professional athlete and maybe movie/pop star will go away. Lawyers, investment bankers, consultants, even most programmers will be out of jobs.

Until a company that builds an AI is willing to take on full legal liability for that AI and its prescriptions (which they won't because that hurts their underlying business model) then no AI will ever take a doctor's job, even for those seen most at risk (i.e. radiology, pathology). To suggest we should stop training new doctors now based on a hypothetical "what might happen" in the future is antithetical to the very real problems which we face in this country w/ respect to the healthcare workforce, which is an undersupply of primary care doctors, not an oversupply.
 
voxveritatisetlucis said:
And all doctors in the office used an AI scribe that basically wrote the entire history, assessment, and plan. If these tools are already doing 90% of the work, imagine where they will be in 10 years
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My point was that it's very, very difficult to predict the future, even when one is extremely experienced and knowledgeable. At the present time you are neither of those things, so perhaps ease up on the bold prognostications.

Every successive promised revolution will have unforeseen limitations and unintended consequences. Twenty years ago medicine was going to be upended by genomics and personalized medicine. If you look at 23andMe's stock price I think you can see how that's going.

And with that, I will stop derailing this thread.
 
Med Ed said:
My point was that it's very, very difficult to predict the future, even when one is extremely experienced and knowledgeable. At the present time you are neither of those things, so perhaps ease up on the bold prognostications.

Every successive promised revolution will have unforeseen limitations and unintended consequences. Twenty years ago medicine was going to be upended by genomics and personalized medicine. If you look at 23andMe's stock price I think you can see how that's going.

And with that, I will stop derailing this thread.
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fair enough, but it doesn’t take a genius to see what’s going to happen. At my hospital, the IM and peds hospitalists usually only work 3 hours per day and have NPs and PAs or residents do the admits anyway. At some point hospitals are going to catch on that they’re basically paying physicians in these specialties for nothing. Why pay 300k+ to somebodu when an NP/PA/residents + AI will do the same for 100k. Or an AI bot alone for 5k

Every MD/resident/medical student with the means should be heavily invested into MSFT/NVDIA and maybe intuitive surgical as a hedge if they are financially able.

And with that I’ll also stop derailing the thread. I do hope that this school only admits people from AK or with strong connections because many will apply due to free tuition but as we’ve seen with other programs like this many from out of state won’t stay or want primary care
 
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I used to be slightly worried about AI and midlevels until I got a couple of third year rotations under my belt and realized those fears were nonsense. But I just don't see how anyone with actual experience practicing medicine can think that AI can replace them. There are lots of situations in patient care where you're balancing multiple comorbidities and there are no guidelines. Until they make an AI that can actually think instead of regurgitating words from PubMed, you'll always need a human brain involved. And my computer scientist friends tell me we're nowhere close to developing software that can think.

And NPs and PAs certainly aren't up to the task. I'm not a midlevel hater by any stretch of the imagination, but a midlevel + AI can't do what I'm talking about in the above paragraph. They don't have the expertise.

I guess what I'm saying is if medicine was "punch in keywords, spit out the right answer" then I'd be worried, but that's not how being a doctor works. How in the world will they ever train an AI to properly take a history? Sense cultural and body language cues? Realize when a patient's breath smells like acetone? Have a goals of care discussion with the family who thinks "Grandma is a fighter?" etc etc

I'm personally hoping our terminator overlords will be advanced enough to do all my charting for me by the time I graduate from residency.......
 
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