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So Trump has been saying it's rigged all along however I think he's part of the rigging. A little conspiracy theory-ish, but I honestly believe he ran to destroy the republican ticket and seal the democratic nomination. I mean honestly, how could someone so offensive and dense fairly make it as far as he has?? I don't know anyone who voted for him in the primaries and I do not believe he fairly won the republican nomination. Plus I don't think he is actually running to win. He's a pawn of the democratic party. At this point it's all for show and we the American people are the suckers. Anyone else care to chime in? Am I way off here?

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So Trump has been saying it's rigged all along however I think he's part of the rigging. A little conspiracy theory-ish, but I honestly believe he ran to destroy the republican ticket and seal the democratic nomination. I mean honestly, how could someone so offensive and dense fairly make it as far as he has?? I don't know anyone who voted for him in the primaries and I do not believe he fairly won the republican nomination. Plus I don't think he is actually running to win. He's a pawn of the democratic party. At this point it's all for show and we the American people are the suckers. Anyone else care to chime in? Am I way off here?
He's running to start a new TV network so he can make billions more.... he's smarter than you think. And his rigged claim is likely to scare illegals from voting November...
 
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trollish behavior IMHO.
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I don't think he's a plant. He has just lived in his own world because he brutally and personally attacks anyone who questions him. I think he believes he can win, or at least believed it at one point.

The "RIGGED" accusation, I don't see how it's any different than Bernie's claim that it's all rigged. Bernie, by saying that money buys elections, took in way more money than Hillary and then proceeded to get crushed in the primary. Trump is also the richest candidate that has run in modern times and is losing. Romney was wealthier than Obama last year and lost. So can we please put the "money buys elections" straw man to rest? Or is it gonna be the same thing next year?
 
The "RIGGED" accusation, I don't see how it's any different than Bernie's claim that it's all rigged. Bernie, by saying that money buys elections, took in way more money than Hillary and then proceeded to get crushed in the primary.

Well, Bernie's run WAS rigged. It was not a hollow claim! Do you not remember Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned in shame during over the Wikileaks revelation that the DNC was conspiring against Bernie from the beginning?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/damaging-emails-dnc-wikileaks-dump/story?id=40852448

This unethical waste of space was then promptly hired by Hilary Clinton for her loyal service as a corrupt political hack:

http://fortune.com/2016/07/24/wasserman-schultz-clinton-campaign/

Then, witness the Project Veritas releases:

http://time.com/4536212/james-okeefe-project-veritas-video-democrats/

"In one video, a contractor seems to brag about sending homeless and mentally ill people to harass Republicans. Someone identified as a Democratic National Committee staffer appears to claim credit for pushing Republican contender Donald Trump’s rally in Chicago toward violence. In another, consultants look like they are describing a plan to bus voters across state lines and registering immigrants in the country illegally to vote."

"James O’Keefe’s latest undercover Common Core video is a doozy. The third in a series shows a former executive of the world’s largest education publishing company talking about how Common Core and the College Board’s U.S. history classes aim to teach American children “The dead white guys did not create this country.”

Kim Koerber told covert videographers conservatives like those running the state education board in Texas were “idiots” because they wanted to teach the U.S. Constitution differently than the liberals who wrote Common Core and College Board’s Advanced Placement U.S. history curriculum.


“People who say they want to teach the Constitution, only want to teach the part of the Constitution that they like…Damn the Second Amendment,” she said, apparently without irony. “I don’t think personal handguns need to be on anyone except the government, the police.”

This resulted in the immediate termination of two high-level democratic operatives.

Finally, Did you not see how Donna Brazille fed town-hall debate questions directly to Clinton, ahead of the debate, providing a completely unfair and rigged town-hall against Bernie?



So YES, this process is extremely dirty and rigged. Most likely the Republicans do the same on the other side, but we have no evidence of that YET.
 
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Well, Bernie's run WAS rigged. It was not a hollow claim! Do you not remember Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned in shame during over the Wikileaks revelation that the DNC was conspiring against Bernie from the beginning?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/damaging-emails-dnc-wikileaks-dump/story?id=40852448

This unethical waste of space was then promptly hired by Hilary Clinton for her loyal service as a corrupt political hack:

http://fortune.com/2016/07/24/wasserman-schultz-clinton-campaign/

Then, witness the Project Veritas releases:

http://time.com/4536212/james-okeefe-project-veritas-video-democrats/

"In one video, a contractor seems to brag about sending homeless and mentally ill people to harass Republicans. Someone identified as a Democratic National Committee staffer appears to claim credit for pushing Republican contender Donald Trump’s rally in Chicago toward violence. In another, consultants look like they are describing a plan to bus voters across state lines and registering immigrants in the country illegally to vote."

"James O’Keefe’s latest undercover Common Core video is a doozy. The third in a series shows a former executive of the world’s largest education publishing company talking about how Common Core and the College Board’s U.S. history classes aim to teach American children “The dead white guys did not create this country.”

Kim Koerber told covert videographers conservatives like those running the state education board in Texas were “idiots” because they wanted to teach the U.S. Constitution differently than the liberals who wrote Common Core and College Board’s Advanced Placement U.S. history curriculum.


“People who say they want to teach the Constitution, only want to teach the part of the Constitution that they like…Damn the Second Amendment,” she said, apparently without irony. “I don’t think personal handguns need to be on anyone except the government, the police.”

This resulted in the immediate termination of two high-level democratic operatives.

Finally, Did you not see how Donna Brazille fed town-hall debate questions directly to Clinton, ahead of the debate, providing a completely unfair and rigged town-hall against Bernie?



So YES, this process is extremely dirty and rigged. Most likely the Republicans do the same on the other side, but we have no evidence of that YET.

Ouch, Kelly is really stickin it to Donna in that video. Kelly seems kind of like an owl and Donna like a mouse. Or maybe I should say squirrel.
 
trollish behavior IMHO.
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honestly not trying to incite anything... just think the current state of affairs is a freaking joke and completely rigged. Does no one else agree?? BTW everyone on this board is royally ****ed if Hillary wins! In case you didn't know....
 
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I could be wrong but I bet Hillary will be better than Obama in terms of healthcare. Obama is an activist. He's infected with the activist virus that turns people into kamikaze zombies. Hillary used to be an activist but matured into a craven politician. I think she's supporting Obamacare now just to get Obama and Bernie to campaign for her and get the black vote. I don't think much of her, just another crooked politician.

I still think Gary Johnson is the best of the current lot. If anyone will get rid of wasteful govt programs, it's him. The things I don't agree with him on will never possibly become laws. But clearly the most entertaining would be watching Trump try to drain the swamp. That would be epic.
 
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honestly not trying to incite anything... just honestly think the current state of affairs is a freaking joke and completely rigged. Does no one else agree?? BTW everyone on this board is royally ****ed if Hillary wins! In case you didn't know....
not everyone...my investments are set up to (hopefully) become HUGE if (when) Hillary wins, inflation is almost nonexistent, i have a nice pension, and i am recently retired. life is good :). but it is a shame what is going to happen to the second amendment. history lesson follows.

first universal gun registration
//In 1928, after a near decade of hyperinflation destroyed the structural fabric of the society, a rapidly expanding three-way political divide between the conservatives, National Socialists, and Communists prompted the rapidly declining conservative majority to enact the Law on Firearms and Ammunition. This law relaxed gun restrictions and put into effect a strict firearm licensing scheme. Under this scheme, Germans could possess firearms, but they were required to have separate permits to do the following: own or sell firearms, carry firearms (including handguns), manufacture firearms, and professionally deal in firearms and ammunition. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." This law explicitly revoked the 1919 Regulations on Weapons Ownership, which had banned all firearms possession.//

then take away the guns from political enemies
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  • The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP (the National Socialist German Workers' Party, aka the Nazi party) members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the GermanReichsbahn Railways were exempted.[8]
  • Manufacture of arms and ammunition continued to require a permit, with the revision that such permits would no longer be issued to Jews or any company part-owned by Jews. Jews were consequently forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.[8]
Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year.

The 1938 Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons, promulgated the day after Kristallnacht, effectively deprived all Jews living under the Third Reich of the right to possess any form of weapons including truncheons, knives, or firearms and ammunition.[10] Before that, some police forces used the pre-existing "trustworthiness" clause to disarm Jews on the basis that "the Jewish population 'cannot be regarded as trustworthy'".[8]//

now that the political enemies are defenseless, execute them.

//In all, the Germans and their collaborators killed between 160,000 and 180,000 German Jews in the Holocaust, including most of those Jews deported out of Germany.//

this is why we all should be against gun registration and Hillary. the USA is about to become a whole lot less free because the new supreme court via Hillary is going to a majority of gun "control" advocates and the second amendment is going to be trashed.
 
It's hard to take seriously the claim of media bias from a man who has been the recipient of an estimated $2B in free media coverage. Positive or negative, he earned it.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...-earned-close-2-billion-worth-media-attention

As for a "rigged" election, that's just ridiculous. A quick google search pulls up multiple stories from major news outlets citing multiple studies showing that fraudulant voting is rare. If anyone should be complaining about a rigged election, it's Al Gore. THAT was a rigged election.
 
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trump is running because he is a megalomaniac. he has no grand scheme. he is not "smarter than we think" or "smarter than we give him credit for".

in fact, he is running his brand into the ground, and may end up way way less rich after all is said and done. once he gets trounced, he will be less and less relevant. looked what happened to Palin.

chew on this article:

http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/16/media/donald-trump-brand/index.html
 
trump is running because he is a megalomaniac. he has no grand scheme. he is not "smarter than we think" or "smarter than we give him credit for".

in fact, he is running his brand into the ground, and may end up way way less rich after all is said and done. once he gets trounced, he will be less and less relevant. looked what happened to Palin.

chew on this article:

http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/16/media/donald-trump-brand/index.html
some people get more wealthy in politics, and some do not.
//Hillary Clinton Net Worth. The Hillary Clinton net worth total of $31.3 million comes from analyzing her Public Financial Disclosure Reports. Bill Clinton has an estimated net worth of $80 million. That gives a combined Bill and Hillary Clinton net worth of $111 million dollars.//
 
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some people get more wealthy in politics, and some do not.
//Hillary Clinton Net Worth. The Hillary Clinton net worth total of $31.3 million comes from analyzing her Public Financial Disclosure Reports. Bill Clinton has an estimated net worth of $80 million. That gives a combined Bill and Hillary Clinton net worth of $111 million dollars.//

not sure what your point is. that trump is in it to make money? if so, he wont make any. hillary and bill are way smarter. but yes, they have become rich by peddling influence.
 
not sure what your point is. that trump is in it to make money? if so, he wont make any. hillary and bill are way smarter. but yes, they have become rich by peddling influence.
the point is that Trump did not run to enhance his wealth - he stated several times that he understood this was costing him money even in the primaries.
OTOH political office has been very lucrative for the Clintons.
 
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the point is that Trump did not run to enhance his wealth - he stated several times that he understood this was costing him money even in the primaries.
OTOH political office has been very lucrative for the Clintons.

fair point if you actually believe Trump. nothing that he has said or done engenders any type of trust or believability.

political office HAS been good for the clintons' wealth. Mainly because they are succesful politicians. crappy politicians dont make money. good ones do.
 
fair point if you actually believe Trump. nothing that he has said or done engenders any type of trust or believability.

political office HAS been good for the clintons' wealth. Mainly because they are succesful politicians. crappy politicians dont make money. good ones do.
ROTFL
 
yahoo thinks so. this is probably the most unbiased source i can find.....

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080426100031AArO53H

You can't get rich in politics unless you're a crook.

Harry S. Truman

"He was the only man I ever knew who could get money from the rich and votes from the poor with the promise to protect them from each other." Tommy Douglas, Former Saskatchewan Premier and Leader of the Federal New Democratic Party

“An honest politician is one who, when he is bought, will stay bought.” Simon Cameron
 
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the point is that Trump did not run to enhance his wealth - he stated several times that he understood this was costing him money even in the primaries.
OTOH political office has been very lucrative for the Clintons.
If he establishes another
Conservative network, he will double his wealth ... this presidential run was epic for him in many ways.
 
Im voting for Trump because of the political shake up it will cause. We need political reform.
 
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the point is that Trump did not run to enhance his wealth - he stated several times that he understood this was costing him money even in the primaries.
OTOH political office has been very lucrative for the Clintons.
political office is lucrative for all ex-presidents. heck, GW went from probably around $6.1 million to $35 million. it is not inconceivable that the fact that all ex-presidents have had their net worth increase tremendously factored at least a little into his decisions...

sarah palin went from $1million in 2008 to an estimated $12 million today.
 
fair point if you actually believe Trump. nothing that he has said or done engenders any type of trust or believability.

He employs thousands of people, directly, of all races and sexes. He actually EMPLOYS them. Clinton on the other hand creates no jobs and employs a handful of people at her corrupt foundation but employs nobody directly as a state actor, those are taxpayer dollars employing her staff. Trump built a billion dollar company. So he has DONE a LOT.

Are you implying things Clinton has said and done have been good? I see her DELETING 33,000 emails AFTER receiving a congressional subpoena about those emails..you mean DOING stuff like this engenders trust in you? She took hundreds of millions of dollars from islamic nations (saudis, Qatar, Bahrain)...countries that execute gays, do not allow women to vote, do not allow women to drive, stone women to death for accusations of rape or adultery...you mean these this action she DID engenders trust in her? And your movement pins the sexism on Trump? He said some ****ty words. Clinton did pay for play with islamic countries that MURDER women. She CHEATED on the town hall with Bernie, having one of the moderator questions ahead of time.

Dr. Carson was my candidate of choice. But Trump is a businessman and can fix our economy, is not politically correct and will not encourage the further spinelessness and weakness that the PC movement has created in our country.
 
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political office is lucrative for all ex-presidents. heck, GW went from probably around $6.1 million to $35 million. it is not inconceivable that the fact that all ex-presidents have had their net worth increase tremendously factored at least a little into his decisions...

sarah palin went from $1million in 2008 to an estimated $12 million today.
These numbers are completely insignificant for a man of Trump's wealth.

Trump is running because he's obsessed with attention and prestige. He wants wealth so he can flaunt it and get more attention and prestige. I think that's his end game - attention and prestige. It's personal. Therefore, if he's president, he will be concerned with his legacy. He will want to be known as "the best president ever". I don't think he will "sell out" for a little (relatively) more money. Hillary OTOH - doesn't everyone know she will sell out? I think it's pretty much guaranteed.
 
He employs thousands of people, directly, of all races and sexes. He actually EMPLOYS them. Clinton on the other hand creates no jobs and employs a handful of people at her corrupt foundation but employs nobody directly as a state actor, those are taxpayer dollars employing her staff. Trump built a billion dollar company. So he has DONE a LOT.

Are you implying things Clinton has said and done have been good? I see her DELETING 33,000 emails AFTER receiving a congressional subpoena about those emails..you mean DOING stuff like this engenders trust in you? She took hundreds of millions of dollars from islamic nations (saudis, Qatar, Bahrain)...countries that execute gays, do not allow women to vote, do not allow women to drive, stone women to death for accusations of rape or adultery...you mean these this action she DID engenders trust in her? And your movement pins the sexism on Trump? He said some ****ty words. Clinton did pay for play with islamic countries that MURDER women. She CHEATED on the town hall with Bernie, having one of the moderator questions ahead of time.

Dr. Carson was my candidate of choice. But Trump is a businessman and can fix our economy, is not politically correct and will not encourage the further spinelessness and weakness that the PC movement has created in our country.

ligament, you are not in fly-over country.

you are not poorly educated.

you cannot honestly believe this crap you are writing. it is meant for the consumption of people of who dont know any better.

i can understand being a conservative and i can understand not wanting to vote for clinton. i can even understand voting for trump just because it is a vote AGAINST clinton. but do not paint trump as a quality human being in any manner.
 
ligament, you are not in fly-over country.

you are not poorly educated.

you cannot honestly believe this crap you are writing. it is meant for the consumption of people of who dont know any better.

i can understand being a conservative and i can understand not wanting to vote for clinton. i can even understand voting for trump just because it is a vote AGAINST clinton. but do not paint trump as a quality human being in any manner.

You don't believe he employs thousands of people?
You dont believe he has a multi billion dollar business?
You don't believe she deleted 33,000 emails after receiving congressional subpeona?
You don't believe she has taken multiple millions of dollars from islamic states that murder gays and women?

He is an alpha figure. He does not give a crap about policital correctism and mind control. He has an ego. Thats fine with me. We need to get somebody with a spine in control of this country.

I don't like his egocentrism, but at least he is honest about it. Mrs. Bill Clinton is just as bad but hides it.
 
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You don't believe he employs thousands of people?
You dont believe he has a multi billion dollar business?
You don't believe she deleted 33,000 emails after receiving congressional subpeona?
You don't believe she has taken multiple millions of dollars from islamic states that murder gays and women?

He is an alpha figure. He does not give a crap about policital correctism and mind control. He has an ego. Thats fine with me. We need to get somebody with a spine in control of this country.

I don't like his egocentrism, but at least he is honest about it. Mrs. Bill Clinton is just as bad but hides it.

yes, he employs a lot of people. pays most of them barely over minimum wage and has undocumented immigrants build his towers.

yes, he has a big business. it is not clear how much value is in this business as most of his assets are physical structures. you pay more taxes than he does.

being a "savvy" businessman does not translate to being a good president. you cant go bankrupt when the sh$t hits the fan and walk away without paying your debts.

i could care less about about the emails. or benghazi. nothing to see there. not a story. and neither is trump's "locker-room" talk for that matter.

hillary has made herself a lot of money being a politician, but the clinton foundation does a crapload for the downtrodden in this world.

and all of a sudden we are shocked that saudi arabia is a backward medieval cesspool? since when is that news? if the king of saudi arabia wants to give me a few million dollars to treat HIV in sub-saharan Africa am i NOT supposed to take it?
 
yes, he employs a lot of people. pays most of them barely over minimum wage and has undocumented immigrants build his towers.

yes, he has a big business. it is not clear how much value is in this business as most of his assets are physical structures. you pay more taxes than he does.

being a "savvy" businessman does not translate to being a good president. you cant go bankrupt when the sh$t hits the fan and walk away without paying your debts.

i could care less about about the emails. or benghazi. nothing to see there. not a story. and neither is trump's "locker-room" talk for that matter.

hillary has made herself a lot of money being a politician, but the clinton foundation does a crapload for the downtrodden in this world.

and all of a sudden we are shocked that saudi arabia is a backward medieval cesspool? since when is that news? if the king of saudi arabia wants to give me a few million dollars to treat HIV in sub-saharan Africa am i NOT supposed to take it?

Don't care if he pays them exactly minimum wage. Point is he employs people, while no other politician does.

I absolutely do not pay more taxes than he does, never will in my entire life pay as much as he does. Do you know any physician that pays millions in taxes per year? Oh wait, you are buying into that lie the NYT created out of thin air that because he took a 1billion dollar loss in 1991, he has not paid taxes since...based on what data they have, exactly?

You really could care less that Clinton destroyed evidence subpoenaed by congress in an effort to investigate her for criminal actions? You really don't care that hundreds if not thousands of classified documents were leaked around the world to any hacker with better than a C+ in hacker school? Jesus, my own email servers have 100x the security hers had. It is a 100% certainty that her server was freely accessed like a hooker on the avenue looking for her next crack rock. She put America and likely many many lives at risk by exposing state secrets to anybody with her server IP address.

I am not Shocked Saudi Arabia is a cesspool. I am shocked your presidential candidate is servicing Saudi Arabia like sellout in exchange for the money they gave her.

You know as well as I do that the King of Saudi Arabia does not give two craps about philanthropy when he donates to the Secretary of State in exchange for political access. It is the King of Saudi Arabia who dictates women cannot drive, cannot vote, can be murdered for infidelity, and gays should be executed. That is the ever so kind, generous king that donates to the Clinton machine.

Yes I made two references in this post about Clinton and prostitution. No offense to prostitutes, they are honest about what they do in exchange for money.
 
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I don't understand why everyone is making such a hoopla about 33 000 deleted emails. Yes, she did it, and yes its extremely dishonest.

But there wasn't nearly this much attention when Bush Admin lost 22 million emails:

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373.html

I have no issues if you like Trump's personality, or his approach. But please don't vote for him if you think he is a good businessman.

http://ijr.com/opinion/2015/09/2477...ediocre-businessman-and-his-record-proves-it/

A good businessman is someone like Warren Buffet.


Finally, everyone talks about how Trump is honest, Hillary is dishonest. Here are the stats from a NEUTRAL site of honesty for the two of them:

Trump: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Over 71% of what Trump says is mostly false.

Clinton: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

27% of what Clinton says is mostly false.

71% vs. 27%.
 
Don't care if he pays them exactly minimum wage. Point is he employs people, while no other politician does.

You juxtapose these concepts: A business man employs people. A politician doesn't - as if this is meaningful in some way.

It's not. The fact that a business man employs people does not make him intrinsically more valuable to society than a politician who doesn't (ignoring hired staffers). First, the businessman doesn't employ people because people need jobs. He employs people because he has successfully channeled demand toward his business, and needs an adequate supply of labor to meet that demand to generate profit. Where do you think the supply and demand come from? They don't exist in a vacuum. They exist because we live in stable democracy where people have basic assurances of security and justice, as well as infrastructure. A democracy needs politicians to, ideally, express the will of the people in our system of laws and regulation to create security and justice, and to tend to infrastructure. Do you not want to live in a society with politicians? If so, that explains a lot about your point of view.

Trump repeatedly made the most ridiculous assertion toward HC at the debates, that being "why didn't you do something about it" referring to a variety of issues she presumably could have single handedly fixed during her long tenure in public service. I don't for the life of me understand why she didn't redirect on him with a basic civics lesson on how democracy works, and a simple question of whether he truly believes a politician, even a president, can function as a dictator and "solve problems" as he sees fit, without building consensus and support among other politicians.
 
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I don't understand why everyone is making such a hoopla about 33 000 deleted emails. Yes, she did it, and yes its extremely dishonest.

But there wasn't nearly this much attention when Bush Admin lost 22 million emails:

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373.html

I have no issues if you like Trump's personality, or his approach. But please don't vote for him if you think he is a good businessman.

http://ijr.com/opinion/2015/09/2477...ediocre-businessman-and-his-record-proves-it/

A good businessman is someone like Warren Buffet.


Finally, everyone talks about how Trump is honest, Hillary is dishonest. Here are the stats from a NEUTRAL site of honesty for the two of them:

Trump: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Over 71% of what Trump says is mostly false.

Clinton: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

27% of what Clinton says is mostly false.

71% vs. 27%.
NY Times and Politifact are "neutral"? These two and many other "news" organizations have totally and utterly betrayed the profession of journalism IMO, especially this year. They are activist blogs masquerading as news sites.
 
A democracy needs politicians to, ideally, express the will of the people in our system of laws and regulation to create security and justice, and to tend to infrastructure.
We do not need professional politicians. We need working citizens to take their turn with administrative responsibilities.
 
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Hillary Clinton will raise taxes on physicians earning more than $250K/yr. I already feel like pay too much in taxes--taxes on my employees, business, real estate, permits/licenses, income tax, etc. The list just goes on and on. So much of this revenue is used to subsidize wasteful Obamacare and other redundant government services.

Anyone else tired of being pick-pocketed to death by taxes?
 
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Hillary Clinton will raise taxes on physicians earning more than $250K/yr. I already feel like pay too much in taxes--taxes on my employees, business, real estate, permits/licenses, income tax, etc. The list just goes on and on. So much of this revenue is used to subsidize wasteful Obamacare and other redundant government services.

Anyone else tired of being pick-pocketed to death by taxes?

Democrats enjoy paying more and more of their paycheck to the government for redistribution. They ENJOY it. It stems from their pathological altruism that is resulting in the destruction of western culture.
 
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“Gettysburg, PA: Today, in historic Gettysburg, PA, Donald J. Trump presented a game-changing plan for his first 100 days in office. This revolutionary “Contract with the American Voter” will ensure that America’s economy is revitalized and citizens are protected.

“I’m not a politician, and have never wanted to be one. But when I saw the trouble our country was in, I knew I couldn’t stand by and watch any longer. Our country has been so good to me, I love our country, I felt I had to act,” said Mr. Trump in his address.

“Change has to come from outside this broken system. The fact that the Washington establishment has tried so hard to stop our campaign is only more proof that our campaign represents the kind of change that only arrives once in a lifetime,” he continued.

“I am asking the American people to rise above the noise and the clutter of our broken politics, and to embrace that great faith and optimism that has always been the central ingredient in the American character. I am asking you to dream big.

“What follows is my 100-day action plan to Make America Great Again. It is a contract between Donald J. Trump and the American voter – and begins with restoring honesty, accountability and change to Washington,” he concluded.

DONALD J. TRUMP CONTRACT WITH THE AMERICAN VOTER

“Therefore, on the first day of my term of office, my administration will immediately pursue the following six measures to clean up the corruption and special interest collusion in Washington, DC:

  • FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;
  • SECOND, a hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce through attrition (exempting military, public safety, and public health);
  • THIRD, a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated;
  • FOURTH, a 5 year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service;
  • FIFTH, a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government;
  • SIXTH, a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections.
On the same day, I will begin taking the following seven actions to protect American workers:

  • FIRST, I will announce my intention to renegotiate NAFTA or withdraw from the deal under Article 2205
  • SECOND, I will announce our withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership
  • THIRD, I will direct my Secretary of the Treasury to label China a currency manipulator
  • FOURTH, I will direct the Secretary of Commerce and U.S. Trade Representative to identify all foreign trading abuses that unfairly impact American workers and direct them to use every tool under American and international law to end those abuses immediately
  • FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars’ worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.
  • SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward
  • SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America’s water and environmental infrastructure
Additionally, on the first day, I will take the following five actions to restore security and the constitutional rule of law:

  • FIRST, cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama
  • SECOND, begin the process of selecting a replacement for Justice Scalia from one of the 20 judges on my list, who will uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States
  • THIRD, cancel all federal funding to Sanctuary Cities
  • FOURTH, begin removing the more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel visas to foreign countries that won’t take them back
  • FIFTH, suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered extreme vetting.
Next, I will work with Congress to introduce the following broader legislative measures and fight for their passage within the first 100 days of my Administration:

1. Middle Class Tax Relief And Simplification Act. An economic plan designed to grow the economy 4% per year and create at least 25 million new jobs through massive tax reduction and simplification, in combination with trade reform, regulatory relief, and lifting the restrictions on American energy. The largest tax reductions are for the middle class. A middle-class family with 2 children will get a 35% tax cut. The current number of brackets will be reduced from 7 to 3, and tax forms will likewise be greatly simplified. The business rate will be lowered from 35 to 15 percent, and the trillions of dollars of American corporate money overseas can now be brought back at a 10 percent rate.

2. End The Offshoring Act Establishes tariffs to discourage companies from laying off their workers in order to relocate in other countries and ship their products back to the U.S. tax-free.

3. American Energy & Infrastructure Act. Leverages public-private partnerships, and private investments through tax incentives, to spur $1 trillion in infrastructure investment over 10 years. It is revenue neutral.

4. School Choice And Education Opportunity Act. Redirects education dollars to gives parents the right to send their kid to the public, private, charter, magnet, religious or home school of their choice. Ends common core, brings education supervision to local communities. It expands vocational and technical education, and make 2 and 4-year college more affordable.

5. Repeal and Replace Obamacare Act. Fully repeals Obamacare and replaces it with Health Savings Accounts, the ability to purchase health insurance across state lines, and lets states manage Medicaid funds. Reforms will also include cutting the red tape at the FDA: there are over 4,000 drugs awaiting approval, and we especially want to speed the approval of life-saving medications.

6. Affordable Childcare and Eldercare Act. Allows Americans to deduct childcare and elder care from their taxes, incentivizes employers to provide on-site childcare services, and creates tax-free Dependent Care Savings Accounts for both young and elderly dependents, with matching contributions for low-income families.

7. End Illegal Immigration Act Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall; establishes a 2-year mandatory minimum federal prison sentence for illegally re-entering the U.S. after a previous deportation, and a 5-year mandatory minimum for illegally re-entering for those with felony convictions, multiple misdemeanor convictions or two or more prior deportations; also reforms visa rules to enhance penalties for overstaying and to ensure open jobs are offered to American workers first.

8. Restoring Community Safety Act. Reduces surging crime, drugs and violence by creating a Task Force On Violent Crime and increasing funding for programs that train and assist local police; increases resources for federal law enforcement agencies and federal prosecutors to dismantle criminal gangs and put violent offenders behind bars.

9. Restoring National Security Act. Rebuilds our military by eliminating the defense sequester and expanding military investment; provides Veterans with the ability to receive public VA treatment or attend the private doctor of their choice; protects our vital infrastructure from cyber-attack; establishes new screening procedures for immigration to ensure those who are admitted to our country support our people and our values

10. Clean up Corruption in Washington Act. Enacts new ethics reforms to Drain the Swamp and reduce the corrupting influence of special interests on our politics.

On November 8th, Americans will be voting for this 100-day plan to restore prosperity to our economy, security to our communities, and honesty to our government.

This is my pledge to you.

And if we follow these steps, we will once more have a government of, by and for the people.”
 
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this will have to wait until he:
1. Sues Jessica Leeds
2. Sues Mindy McGillivray
3. Sues Rachel Crooks
4. Sues Natasha Stoynoff
5. Sues Temple Taggart
6. Sues Kristen Anderson
7. Sues Summer Zervos
8. Sues Cathy Heller
9. Sues Jill Harth
10. Sues NYTimes
11. Sues Washington Post
12. Sues NBC
13. Sues Judge Curiel
14. Sues Paul Ryan
15. Sues Ted Cruz
16. Sues Bill Maher
17. Investigates Clinton and throws her in jail
18. Gets Curiel disbarred
19. Gets Schneiderman thrown out of NY office


and probably:
20. Investigates melania for not agreeing with him
21. Sues Ivanka for not agreeing that he thinks its okay to call her a hot piece of a#^
 
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So Trump has been saying it's rigged all along however I think he's part of the rigging. A little conspiracy theory-ish, but I honestly believe he ran to destroy the republican ticket and seal the democratic nomination. I mean honestly, how could someone so offensive and dense fairly make it as far as he has?? I don't know anyone who voted for him in the primaries and I do not believe he fairly won the republican nomination. Plus I don't think he is actually running to win. He's a pawn of the democratic party. At this point it's all for show and we the American people are the suckers. Anyone else care to chime in? Am I way off here?

"Anyone who talks about rigged elections is crazy and hates democracy."


 
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60% takers, 40% givers... election lost. The end.
 
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"Anyone who talks about rigged elections is crazy and hates democracy."

I watched this video clip in it's entirely. President Obama did not say or echo this. He makes some very good points about ensuring fair voting practices.

So why did you juxtapose him with this guy's Tweet?
 
You juxtapose these concepts: A business man employs people. A politician doesn't - as if this is meaningful in some way.

It's not. The fact that a business man employs people does not make him intrinsically more valuable to society than a politician who doesn't (ignoring hired staffers). First, the businessman doesn't employ people because people need jobs. He employs people because he has successfully channeled demand toward his business, and needs an adequate supply of labor to meet that demand to generate profit. Where do you think the supply and demand come from? They don't exist in a vacuum. They exist because we live in stable democracy where people have basic assurances of security and justice, as well as infrastructure. A democracy needs politicians to, ideally, express the will of the people in our system of laws and regulation to create security and justice, and to tend to infrastructure. Do you not want to live in a society with politicians? If so, that explains a lot about your point of view.

The "you didnt build this" concept. So you are saying that politicians have made the country/environment fertile for business? I think the pilgrims were told the same thing.
 
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The "you didnt build this" concept. So you are saying that politicians have made the country/environment fertile for business? I think the pilgrims were told the same thing.

Every time one company takes another company to court to enforce a right, they are benefiting from the system our politicians set up. Where does the money come from to build infrastructure for public use, and to the benefit of businesses? Politicians appropriate it from tax revenue. I get that you hate the government, but what I don't get is what system you think would be so much better. Raw anarchy? Survival of the fittest?
 
Every time one company takes another company to court to enforce a right, they are benefiting from the system our politicians set up. Where does the money come from to build infrastructure for public use, and to the benefit of businesses? Politicians appropriate it from tax revenue. I get that you hate the government, but what I don't get is what system you think would be so much better. Raw anarchy? Survival of the fittest?
Maybe a "pay for play" system will work, like third world countries, or the Clinton Foundation. You know it's coming soon...
 
doesn't the "pay for play" system require a political infrastructure - whether it is the mafia, the yakuza, or Gang of 4 - to maintain itself?
 
Every time one company takes another company to court to enforce a right, they are benefiting from the system our politicians set up. Where does the money come from to build infrastructure for public use, and to the benefit of businesses? Politicians appropriate it from tax revenue. I get that you hate the government, but what I don't get is what system you think would be so much better. Raw anarchy? Survival of the fittest?
If we eliminated all laws, I don't think there would be anarchy and we all behave like zombie deadites. Actually I think almost nothing would change. Politicians/govt have people brainwashed.
 
If we eliminated all laws, I don't think there would be anarchy and we all behave like zombie deadites. Actually I think almost nothing would change. Politicians/govt have people brainwashed.

because it works so well in somalia, south sudan, syria, etc?

funny how most of the people who spout all this right-wing libertarian drivel are single men with no kids. its a bit scary to think of a socieyy without laws when there are children involved
 
because it works so well in somalia, south sudan, syria, etc?

funny how most of the people who spout all this right-wing libertarian drivel are single men with no kids. its a bit scary to think of a socieyy without laws when there are children involved

Appeal to base emotions with mention of "the children." Just like Mrs. Bill Clinton was making an emotional appeal for second amendment civil right infringement by claiming "toddlers" were at danger due to guns. Toddlers are murdering thousands with the guns their parents have.

I don't want anarchy. But comparing a western country to illiterate, ass backwards cesspool countries is silly.
 
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Appeal to base emotions with mention of "the children." Just like Mrs. Bill Clinton was making an emotional appeal for second amendment civil right infringement by claiming "toddlers" were at danger due to guns. Toddlers are murdering thousands with the guns their parents have.

your priorities change when you have to worry about your kids. they just do, dude.

and should a 2 year old get shot because their parents are too stupid to lock up their guns? her point was completely reasonable.
 
your priorities change when you have to worry about your kids. they just do, dude.

and should a 2 year old get shot because their parents are too stupid to lock up their guns? her point was completely reasonable.

More people are killed by coconuts falling on their heads than toddlers murdering their parents with the parents AK47s.
 
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