"It's rigged"!!

[Ducttape]

1. how many Canadian citizens are being terrorized, threatened, killed senselessly in home invasions, compared to the US, without these firearms? didn't blitz already answer this, and should this fact lead you some consternation that we have so many more firearms yet have so much more gun violence than Canada?

RE: you not seeing an American revolt. I remind you of the American Revolution. Remember it. Did not happen too long ago. Will it happen again? Unlikely I agree. America is on the quick decline.

2. just to remind what you already know, the American Revolution wasn't against fellow Americans or an American government - it was against England and their tyrannical rule. imho, the most powerful weapon we have against tyrannical rule is not the force of arms, but the force of the American will - and that is through political discourse, and elections/exercising our right to vote. the pen is mightier than the sword now, amongst Americans.

3. and in the SCOTUS decision in Heller, Scalia, the biggest supporter of the 2nd amendment (he wrote the majority opinion), did note: "Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited ... Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms".

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[Blitz2006]

This smells like another crisis, manufactured by politicians.
From Wikipedia.View attachment 210353 View attachment 210354

No the U.S has always had a relatively high crime rate compared to other nations in the world.

You can compare with other countries over the past 20 years on this website, just a select a year and see where USA pops up on the list.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Violent-crime/Murder-rate-per-million-people

Enjoy

 

[Blitz2006]

Dude Canada is so anti-gun, that I have been stopped at the Canadian border and pulled over for interrogation and car inspection simply because I have a concealed carry pistol license in the USA. No gun on me, no gun of mine within 100 miles of Canada.

Me: "Why am I being questioned and my car searched?"
Socialists: "Because you have a legal license to legally carry a concealed firearm legally in your home country. We are afraid of your second amendment rights. Hey, we are amazed that you don't have a pistol in your car or on your person. You are free to go"

I mean, I'm trying to have a reasonable discussion and then you drop a N=1 counterargument. Thats like a liberal saying, "well I was robbed at gunpoint last year at 7/11 so therefore all guns should be banned". Equally silly argument.

P.S - Canada isn't socialist. Its a mix of socialism and capitalism, much like Japan, UK, Australia, New Zealand and .......UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (gasp!).

 

[Blitz2006]

I misspoke on Canada, but guns in the UK and Australia are severely restricted, you basically can't own any type of pistol and any kind of semi-automatic rifle over .22 caliber in the UK, and in Australia you can't own semi-automatic rifles, and can't own a pistol until you are a competitive shooter.

Those kinds of restrictions are what the NRA truly fears, the government stepping and telling people what kinds of guns they can own.

I know quite a few liberals that if you get them drunk enough will admit they want to ban all guns, just like they'll admit they want totally socialized medicine. If you injected Hillary with truth serum, she would admit to wanting both things as well. She is a political animal and knows she can't publicly admit to those two things and still win the votes of Independents like myself.

Not all liberal are this way, but the hardcore ones, the Bernie followers would go this way. However 80% of the country doesn't want to ban guns or place severe restrictions like UK and Australia so that won't happen in the US.

I agree with you that we need gun control and that 90% of the population supports background checks. No reason we can't do common sense gun control.

I mean, I like to debate using studies and facts. So I don't know if Bernie's supporters want to ban guns or not. Ironically, Bernie is actually a bit more lenient than Hillary on gun control:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/18/politics/bernie-sanders-gun-control/

"Clinton's campaign has hammered Sanders on gun control, telling voters that while the Vermont senator talks about standing up to powerful interests, he has failed to do that with the National Rifle Association and the gun lobby. Most notably, Sanders voted against barring the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from studying gun violence in 1996 and voted against versions of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act five times from 1991 to 1993."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-control-push-puts-bernie-sanders-in-a-bind/

So if you're a Bernie supporter (which I'm not) for gun control issues, then you're misguided. Sure, whether or not Hillary will flip or not on her gun control, who knows. But the point is she is endorsing gun control and not banning guns, so we have to believe it at face value, just like we have to believe any politician's statements at face value.

Bottomline:

Majority of Americans want gun control:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...ingraham-say-claim-90-support-gun-background/

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-po...ext-president-pushing-tighter-gun-laws-2016-1

Hillary is endorsing gun control

 

[SSdoc33]

I know quite a few liberals that if you get them drunk enough will admit they want to ban all guns, just like they'll admit they want totally socialized medicine.

you dont need to get me drunk.

 

[lonelobo]

Someone listens to too much Alex Jones

 

[hyperalgesia]

No the U.S has always had a relatively high crime rate compared to other nations in the world.

You can compare with other countries over the past 20 years on this website, just a select a year and see where USA pops up on the list.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Violent-crime/Murder-rate-per-million-people

Enjoy

The point is the rate of murder in the US has fallen and is falling with our current laws. The rate of murder is the lowest it's been since you were wearing pajamas. So what's the emergency? We are not writing laws fast enough for you? Freedoms are not being taken away fast enough?

https://mises.org/blog/fbi-us-homicide-rate-51-year-low

 

[Blitz2006]

The point is the rate of murder in the US has fallen and is falling with our current laws. The rate of murder is the lowest it's been since you were wearing pajamas. So what's the emergency? We are not writing laws fast enough for you? Freedoms are not being taken away fast enough?

https://mises.org/blog/fbi-us-homicide-rate-51-year-low

While I'm happy that the homicide rate has dropped considerably over the past 50 years, the U.S homicide rate is basically at early 1960s baseline. I would/will be impressed when it approaches ratse of other countries, which is around 0.1-0.5. 4.5 is ridiculously high for a 'developed' nation.

"Freedoms are not being taken away fast enough?"

My questions to you are, do you honestly believe that people in Canada/Australia/UK have less freedom than Americans? Out of curiosity, have you ever lived in any of these countries and felt like your freedom was compromised?

 

[Ligament]

While I'm happy that the homicide rate has dropped considerably over the past 50 years, the U.S homicide rate is basically at early 1960s baseline. I would/will be impressed when it approaches ratse of other countries, which is around 0.1-0.5. 4.5 is ridiculously high for a 'developed' nation.

"Freedoms are not being taken away fast enough?"

My questions to you are, do you honestly believe that people in Canada/Australia/UK have less freedom than Americans? Out of curiosity, have you ever lived in any of these countries and felt like your freedom was compromised?

Part of freedom is the ability to defend that freedom. The poor lemmings in Canada/Australia/UK have only their votes. We have our votes and our firearms.

They also do not have the freedom to defend themselves against deadly threats except with their hands. Women have no force equalizers to defend against larger aggressors.

Yes, I have been in Canada many times as well as Australia. It is abundantly clear the Canadians are neutered and kept defenseless by their government with the firearm restriction laws in that country.

 

[hyperalgesia]

While I'm happy that the homicide rate has dropped considerably over the past 50 years, the U.S homicide rate is basically at early 1960s baseline. I would/will be impressed when it approaches ratse of other countries, which is around 0.1-0.5. 4.5 is ridiculously high for a 'developed' nation.

"Freedoms are not being taken away fast enough?"

My questions to you are, do you honestly believe that people in Canada/Australia/UK have less freedom than Americans? Out of curiosity, have you ever lived in any of these countries and felt like your freedom was compromised?

I've never lived in those countries. I think our country is somewhat uniquely focused on the concept of "enumerated powers" of government. In other words, the founding principle of the country is that individuals are FREE and government is BOUND.

Now your turn, did you grow up in Canada?

 

[Blitz2006]

England, Canada and now in the US

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[Stim4me]

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/31/d...with-clinton-campaign-identified-her-tipster/

It's rigged, why isn't dirty Donna booted from DNC chair? Cheating an acceptable practice for a democtric leader... oh what will our daughters and toddlers think???

 

[Stim4me]

Oh by the way if you think Russia is the rigger ...
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/0...ump.html?referer=http://www.drudgereport.com/

 

[hyperalgesia]

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/31/d...with-clinton-campaign-identified-her-tipster/

It's rigged, why isn't dirty Donna booted from DNC chair? Cheating an acceptable practice for a democtric leader... oh what will our daughters and toddlers think???

The DNC is the epicenter of the swamp. Disgraced former DNC chair DWS was fired from DNC and same day hired by Clinton campaign since she used her position to screw Bernie Sander out of the nomination. Now with Donna, she betrayed the ethics of her job to help out the Clintons and will be handsomely rewarded. The DNC will probably wait til she is ensured a job with Clinton before they take their "moral stand". Pay to play is becoming the norm.

 

[Ligament]

Lets stop using the term "Pay to Play" and call it what it is very simply; Bribery.

 

[lonelobo]

Lets stop using the term "Pay to Play" and call it what it is very simply; Bribery.

2 sides of this fence on this issue
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...bery-but-he-definitely-could-be-indicted.html

 

[Ducttape]

You all do realize that trump is already due to give a deposition for sexual assault in December, right?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/donald-trump-scandals/474726/


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[Ligament]

2 sides of this fence on this issue
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...bery-but-he-definitely-could-be-indicted.html

Clintons sell state access and provide state favors in exchange for money, including selling American uranium to Russia. Trump paying off a low level politician in an investigation into his school is entirely a lesser issue, even if proven true.

 

[hyperalgesia]

The reason Clinton's issues are more serious is that they involve public trust/responsibility. No one really cares that Trump touched a girl who days later she didn't like it. These women also: "I was uncomfortable so I moved to another room in his hotel..." WTH? Weak.

 

[lonelobo]

Don't worry you guys will have plenty to bitch about for the next four years after next Tuesday night, just like the last 8 with comrade Obama

 

[lonelobo]

Clintons sell state access and provide state favors in exchange for money, including selling American uranium to Russia. Trump paying off a low level politician in an investigation into his school is entirely a lesser issue, even if proven true.

Think this is a more reputable source than yours

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-inaccurately-suggests-clinton-got-pai/

 

[DrCommonSense]

So Trump has been saying it's rigged all along however I think he's part of the rigging. A little conspiracy theory-ish, but I honestly believe he ran to destroy the republican ticket and seal the democratic nomination. I mean honestly, how could someone so offensive and dense fairly make it as far as he has?? I don't know anyone who voted for him in the primaries and I do not believe he fairly won the republican nomination. Plus I don't think he is actually running to win. He's a pawn of the democratic party. At this point it's all for show and we the American people are the suckers. Anyone else care to chime in? Am I way off here?

Im going to have to vote for Trump because Hillary should literally be in jail.

Even if you were an extreme liberal, you could only vote for Jill Stein instead of Hillary.




Even Jill Stein admits Trump is far less dangerous than Hillary, who is looking to start war with Russia.

Between the emails, Clinton Foundation Fraud, rigging democratic nominations, Bill Clinton literally raping many women and probably involved in a pedophile ring with Jeffrey Epstein, starting conflict with Russia in Syria, etc. I can't see any sane person voting for her.

 

[Doctodd]

But what about the children? Hillary is passionate about children.(So are Bill and Weiner)

 

[DrCommonSense]

But what about the children? Hillary is passionate about children.(So are Bill and Weiner)

Weiner has been sending Weiner pics to 15 year old women while having over 600K classified emails on the same computer that Huma "didn't know about" as testified under oath.

Never seen anything like this level of corruption in history.

 

[Stim4me]

Weiner has been sending Weiner pics to 15 year old women while having over 600K classified emails on the same computer that Huma "didn't know about" as testified under oath.

Never seen anything like this level of corruption in history.

Corruption, and pure idiocy... leads to the truth

 

[Doctodd]

i think there is a very good reason everything was kept on a private server and then was destroyed after a subpoena. And it was smart to delete it all in comparison to the alternative.

 

[Ligament]

Im going to have to vote for Trump because Hillary should literally be in jail.

Even if you were an extreme liberal, you could only vote for Jill Stein instead of Hillary.




Even Jill Stein admits Trump is far less dangerous than Hillary, who is looking to start war with Russia.

Between the emails, Clinton Foundation Fraud, rigging democratic nominations, Bill Clinton literally raping many women and probably involved in a pedophile ring with Jeffrey Epstein, starting conflict with Russia in Syria, etc. I can't see any sane person voting for her.

No sane person is. Liberals are voting for her. Liberalism is a mental illness.

 

[hyperalgesia]

Jill Stein is a hopeless comedy act. "Everything is FREE for everyone!" She literally says **** like that.

 

[hyperalgesia]

You can't really blame Obama for trying to get Hillary elected. It will be really embarassing if Trump repeals Obamacare.

 

[Stim4me]

My wife's voting stein, can't blame her...

 

[clubdeac]

My wife's voting stein, can't blame her...

It's pointless to vote for Stein... basically wasting her vote. Might as well not vote then

 

[hyperalgesia]

It's pointless to vote for Stein... basically wasting her vote. Might as well not vote then

I disagree with this completely. Your vote has never mattered in practical terms. If you had never been born, not a single election would have been different. Not even for student council at high school. Your vote for Trump is equally useless. The idea that we're supposed to look at polls and listen to talking heads to determine who to vote for is un-American. This is what lemmings do.

This country would be a better place if people just get to know the candidates, read about their positions, and vote their conscience. In that sense, I respect a vote for Stein.

 

[Stim4me]

I disagree with this completely. Your vote has never mattered in practical terms. If you had never been born, not a single election would have been different. Not even for student council at high school. Your vote for Trump is equally useless. The idea that we're supposed to look at polls and listen to talking heads to determine who to vote for is un-American. This is what lemmings do.

This country would be a better place if people just get to know the candidates, read about their positions, and vote their conscience. In that sense, I respect a vote for Stein.

We need a popular vote and voter registration cards like all civilized nations. Otherwise it's demoralizing voting in a rigged democratic state... thousands of votes found in janitors closets and no vettting of provisional ballots, common practice every election...

 

[DrCommonSense]

It's pointless to vote for Stein... basically wasting her vote. Might as well not vote then

Its pointless to vote for Hillary Clinton