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Hello,

I've served for years as a member of admissions committee at a top 10 Ivy Med School, but took this year off. I am happy to answer questions about interviewing and admission, from my personal point of view and experience.

Good Luck Everyone
 
If you could add a new component to the application process (new test, video submission, etc) to get a better understanding of an applicant, what would you add? What would you delete from the admission process if you could?
 
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Hello,

I've served for years as a member of admissions committee at a top 10 Ivy Med School, but took this year off. I am happy to answer questions about interviewing and admission, from my personal point of view and experience.

Good Luck Everyone

What is a "top 10 Ivy Med School?"
 
wasn't columbia the very first us medical school?
Yes, in fact, it's history predates the US.

History of the College of Physicians and Surgeons | College of Physicians and Surgeons


King's College organized a medical faculty in 1767 and was the first institution in the North American Colonies to confer the degree of Doctor of Medicine. The first graduates in medicine from the College were Robert Tucker and Samuel Kissarn, who received the degree of Bachelor of Medicine in May 1769, and that of Doctor of Medicine in May 1770 and May 1771, respectively.

Med Ed was interrupted during the revolution and the rest, as they say, is history.
 
wasn't columbia the very first us medical school?

Yes, in fact, it's history predates the US.

History of the College of Physicians and Surgeons | College of Physicians and Surgeons


King's College organized a medical faculty in 1767 and was the first institution in the North American Colonies to confer the degree of Doctor of Medicine. The first graduates in medicine from the College were Robert Tucker and Samuel Kissarn, who received the degree of Bachelor of Medicine in May 1769, and that of Doctor of Medicine in May 1770 and May 1771, respectively.

Med Ed was interrupted during the revolution and the rest, as they say, is history.

I'm pretty sure Penn is the first medical school as they were founded in 1765.

Either way pretty neat to have existed before the birth of the nation.
 
I stand corrected by gonnif

Also somehow Columbia is 6-1, undisputed first in the Ivy League for football right now. I have no idea how that happened given that they were atrocious only a few years ago.
 
Besides high MCAT and GPAs, what do you look for in ECs? How important is research?

Hi Goro,

The short answer is yes: research is a key element.

However, perhaps a different, more nuanced perspective would be to think about future leadership and productivity potential. Top medical schools (and graduate schools in general) usually have the mission that goes something like "to train the next generation of leaders." So if you are thinking about what are the paths for a future leader in medicine, you could come up with a couple of different paths: one of those paths is certainly research (of all sorts); another of those paths is public policy; and still a third might be public service.

In general, most prestigious schools fight over applicants (that small pool of applicants that will be accepted to whole list of top schools) that have already demonstrated a proving track record of above-average excellence both in their academics and in applying their intelligence and hard-work to a real world application (say research or working in Africa or in consulting or...). Top schools do not produce great doctors per se, instead they select people who are already going to be great doctors, brand them with their school name, and let them loose with funding and access to existing cutting edge opportunities and leaders in the field.

So the question becomes: what does a future leader of research in academic medicine look like applying to medical school? What would distinguish them from someone who just checked off the research box on their application with a summer in a lab? There will certainly by MD/PhD applicants with first or second author publications in major journals applying next to you (but in many ways that's just getting lucky with the right lab while in undergrad). Now don't read that last sentence as "I have a first author Nature paper to get into Harvard Med," cuz that's crazy and not correct. I am just saying that there likely will be one or two applicants who do, and these are applicants who are going to have demonstrated in their coursework, spare time spent in the lab, and in their letters of rec from research mentors that they are 100% dedicated to making medicine better through research. A future leader in research will be thinking about gaining exposure and expertise in the areas that will produce the next wave of breakthroughs (think Crispr, Big Data Analytics, Cell-therapies and immunomodulation, Biomaterials, Stem cells, Outcomes research, etc...). A future leader will usually have already started applying for opportunities to work for summer in a lab at a prestigious institution, apply for a student fellowship at the NIH, maybe even take a year off after school to get a paper published.

Does you see what I am getting at? It's not that YOU have to be this person. It's more that you have to think strategically about what it is that you want to contribute and start building that career now, proactively stepping out to take advantage of every opportunity out there to get you closer to that future. That way when you apply your application reflects that work and that future potential, not just that you checked all the boxes and beat other students.
 
Why your avi an ear? I don't believe this.
I made my avi an ear and my screen name doctorlistenalot because I listen for a living as a psychiatrist. Taking a history is perhaps the key element in diagnosing a patient, so if you become a doctor you will also have to use your ears a lot.
 
If you could add a new component to the application process (new test, video submission, etc) to get a better understanding of an applicant, what would you add? What would you delete from the admission process if you could?

Personally, I don't think there needs to be any additional process to get a better understanding of an applicant. There is already a wealth of information. If I were going to change something about admissions, I would focus on the pre-med coursework. I'd like to see all premeds take psychology, health economics, and a foreign language.

I'd delete the secondary applications, because I don't really find that step useful.
 
@doctorlistenalot
Thanks for the helpful info, could you perhaps elaborate on the interview invite timeline?
How are invites sent out? If an applicant doesn't hear back from a school after lets say the three month mark, but other applicants who completed around the same time either got rejected or invited, what may this suggest?
 
@doctorlistenalot
Thanks for the helpful info, could you perhaps elaborate on the interview invite timeline?
How are invites sent out? If an applicant doesn't hear back from a school after lets say the three month mark, but other applicants who completed around the same time either got rejected or invited, what may this suggest?

It depends on the school.

Just to walk thru a very rough approximation of the admission process: core staff and faculty in the admissions department act as screeners and readers who's job it is to screen all the incoming applications based on some predetermined criteria. That screening process results in applications being sorted into basic categories of 'Interview,' 'Reject,' and 'Maybe interview but let's wait and see who else applies'. For the last category, the order that those applications are given interviews slots will be affected by newly arrived "more attractive" applications that take priority over those already awaiting an interview invitation. Some schools book out interviews (and fill up their interview slots) further in the future than others, giving them less flexibility than others. Submitting your application early is good practice, but there will still be great applications that come in at the end of the cycle and admissions departments know this and keep interview slots open for them. Usually moving from screening to interviewing is the biggest hurtle, because in general the pool is going from thousands of applicants to hundreds of interviewees.

In the scenario you elaborated, it suggests that you may still get an interview. Keep your fingers crossed.
 
Thanks for the laughs, everyone. See you at Princeton Med White Coat Ceremony in 2018!
Hi doctorlistenalot,

I'm curious to know how much value admissions personnel place on teaching experience. Are all teaching/TA experiences viewed equally? Is it just seen as a hobby, or something more?
 
Thanks for the laughs, everyone. See you at Princeton Med White Coat Ceremony in 2018!

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Hi doctorlistenalot,

I'm curious to know how much value admissions personnel place on teaching experience. Are all teaching/TA experiences viewed equally? Is it just seen as a hobby, or something more?


It depends on how substantial the teaching experience was and if there is evidence of excellence in that experience - i.e. you won a teaching award or your mentor writes a letter of rec and says "he was the best TA, really a cut above the rest." In general, this is a question that applies to much of the experiences that applicants list: is this a hobby, a check box, or something more? Factors such as the amount of time spent (a one off, three month stint vs one or two years regularly teaching), evidence of burgeoning mastery (as above, some award or extreme praise from mentor), or strong passion evidenced in other parts of application (written about in essays, perhaps, or some research into education methods or experimental curricula).
 
In your opinion is your "ivy league" med school that much better than other non-ivy medical schools? If so, please explain.
His school has never had someone drop out, and has also never had anyone fail Step 1. #PrincetonCOM
 
Is 3.80GPA a cutoff for an interview in a top-10 school? Is 520MCAT+3.75 GPA better than 3.8+515 MCAT?
 
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