Jacobi/Einstein vs Bellvue/NYU

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orthoguy

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For all those who have gone through the interviews process/or for those who know NYC..............what do you think is a better program? Which offers a nicer lifestyle in terms of hours? Where do you feel one would come out better trained? Any other insight into these 2 programs would also help.

Also Congrats to all the 4th years
 
Both are solid programs; you will be well trained at either. Choosing between them is like choosing between pepsi and coke - its a profound personal decision. with that said a few things that might whey your appetite.

jacobi definitely has higher trauma volume. from some reliable sources:

Jacobi Medical Center 5019
Bellevue Hospital Center 4317

this trend is more acute with penetrating trauma. moreover, the jacobi selection is more severe. is this better? does bellevue have enough? i dont know jack, but them are the facts.

you work hard at either; if you land a laid back intern year for jacobi then that might smooth things a bit. however, I couldn't get a grip on whether the jacobi residents were happy (a few seemed miserable).

bellevue is certainly more academic, and has great conferences, famous morning rounds, and fab tox exposure etc... jacobi is more clinical, plus has HBO, burn center, snake bite center (?)

both have great reputations. in my conversations with EM attendings it has seemed that Jacobi had a stronger rep, but other MS4s (and EM residents to be) have told me that they thought they carried the same rep.

you wont go wrong with either. your gut feeling is more important than any of my rambles. observe a shift at both, or rotate at one and observe at the other. if you are looking at nyc dont overlook:
NYP. new program, great potential.
SLR. NYCs only decent 3 year program. a controversial place, but you decide for yourself.
KCHC. The same or more trauma than jacobi. huge volume. In the heart of brooklyn.
 
Originally posted by flEM
jacobi definitely has higher trauma volume. from some reliable sources:

Jacobi Medical Center 5019
Bellevue Hospital Center 4317

Just for perspective -

That's a difference of 13.75 cases per day, and 11.83 cases per day (or, for traditionalists, 13 3/4 vs 11 5/6)...

If the lesser of the two volumes is getting one trauma every 2 hours, you're getting a good caseload irrespective of location.
 
as previously mentioned, for penetrating trauma that trend is greater - Jacobi has almost twice as much GSWs as bellevue. Moreover, I understand that the trauma at Jacobi tends to be more severe.

How much trauma is enough is a personal decision; If you have a more medicine bend, then Bellevue may be a better fit. If you have a more surgical perspective, Jacobi may be better. Both programs will train you well. Personally, I like the medicine stuff. But thats me. The real point I want to make here is that you cant go wrong with either of these two programs - choose the one where you will be happiest.

Best wishes.
 
Any lifestyle differences between the 2 in terms of hours? Is one program more malignant than the other?
 
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Does anyone know if either of these programs works you harder tahn the other?
 
Originally posted by orthoguy
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Does anyone know if either of these programs works you harder tahn the other?


During my interview process, I got the impression that the residents at Jacobi worked much harder than Bellevue residents. Although, I think you can find alot of pros and cons for each program when other factors are considered...good luck...
 
You've seem one trauma, you've seen them all! Trauma is cookbook. What you should really be looking for is Peds exposure and high acuity patients. Just my opinion.😛
 
Originally posted by j7chico
You've seem one trauma, you've seen them all! Trauma is cookbook. What you should really be looking for is Peds exposure and high acuity patients. Just my opinion.😛

I agree. Trauma seems to be cookbook medicine. After doing an away rotation at a very busy trauma center, I began to feel like I may not get the best EMed training at a program that didn?t offer many serious trauma patients. However, after discussing my concerns with several attendings and residents, I began to put more emphasis on high acuity patients and the bread and butter of EMed. Unless you enjoy going through ATLS repeatedly, then there are several other areas to concentrate on when choosing the right residency for you.
 
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