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[med99]

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I am curious about job opportunities after residency. 😳

I've read that Pediatric neurology jobs are as easy to come by as making up your mind what city you would like to live in. On the other end of the spectrum, I've read that pathologist positions are very difficult to obtain and you have to be willing to move!

How does adult neuro fall on this continuum? Are you more or less forced to do fellowship training in order to find a decent job or are good jobs easy to come by?

I would appreciate anyone's imput. Thankyou

Med99

 

[med99]

Wow, 87 lookers to this point but no one willing to give an opinion. I thought that globalization, computers, and the internet were spose to speed up the spread of information. 😉

 

[TruTrooper]

Wow, 87 lookers to this point but no one willing to give an opinion. I thought that globalization, computers, and the internet were spose to speed up the spread of information. 😉

Hey, this is the neuro board, man. This field attracts a certain type of people. Those 87 people looked but then ran off into a corner hoping no one would bother them.

Liven up, you all! It is time to shake this place up a bit! I got strippers, 5 kegs of beer, and a bar full of drinks arriving within the hour. It's a celebration, ******s! If you don't get on the dance floor now, I am going to order a clown! That's right...a clown! And that clown is going to look like Pennywise and relentlessly make those animal balloons!

*crickets chirping*

Oh, well. In attempt to provide some enlightment to your question, think about all of the strokes, traumatic nerve injuries, nerve infections, etc,. in this world. I would think that Neurologists are needed everywhere. If they don't try to grab us, they will need to order MRIs on everyone and I think it we can be cheaper than the MRIs. So as long as MRIs are expensive, we should be okay. 😀

 

[play274]

How does adult neuro fall on this continuum? Are you more or less forced to do fellowship training in order to find a decent job or are good jobs easy to come by?
Med99

Well, I am starting to look for academic job offers, and there appears to be openings in California, Chicago, and the East Coast; I don't know how competitive these positions are ... only time will tell. A number of my colleagues have landed positions at some impressive programs without much difficulty.

For private practice, there are positions available in almost every state. I know of colleagues (without or with minimal fellowship training) who have landed excellent positions is cities such as San Diego, Miami, and New York/Long Island. However, I can imagine the experience can differ - depending on your subspecialty and the program that you graduate from. I once interviewed at a lesser-tier program, and one resident told me that their graduates had difficulty getting Kaiser Permanente jobs in California. Yet, I saw another graduate resident from my program easily land a well-paying, reasonable neurology position in San Diego without having prior connections.

It would be nice to hear some input from any attendings who frequent this board.

-274

 

[ptolemy]

Well, I am starting to look for academic job offers, and there appears to be openings in California, Chicago, and the East Coast; I don't know how competitive these positions are ... only time will tell. A number of my colleagues have landed positions at some impressive programs without much difficulty.

For private practice, there are positions available in almost every state. I know of colleagues (without or with minimal fellowship training) who have landed excellent positions is cities such as San Diego, Miami, and New York/Long Island. However, I can imagine the experience can differ - depending on your subspecialty and the program that you graduate from. I once interviewed at a lesser-tier program, and one resident told me that their graduates had difficulty getting Kaiser Permanente jobs in California. Yet, I saw another graduate resident from my program easily land a well-paying, reasonable neurology position without having prior connections.

It would be nice to hear some input from any attendings who frequent this board.

-274

Do you have any input as to the salary range in different parts of the country or work load as a first year attending, etc? I'm not yet at the point to start looking for jobs, as that is going to be a little ways down the road, but just curious.

Thanks

 

[med99]

here is the best resource ive ever been able to find for pay in all specialties.

http://www.cejkasearch.com/compensation/amga_physician_compensation_survey.htm


I still welcome any comments on the original post please.

 

[neurologist]

Do you have any input as to the salary range in different parts of the country or work load as a first year attending, etc? I'm not yet at the point to start looking for jobs, as that is going to be a little ways down the road, but just curious.

Thanks

This is really a response to multiple posts on this thread, so bear with me here.

1. For all you salary mavens, here is some hard data. "Median physician compensation" for multiple specialties. Methodology: survey conducted in February 2005 by American Medical Group Association. Mailed surveys to 2600 medical practice groups across the country, received results covering approximately 34,000 providers in various specialties.
Data: results broken down geographically into: "East" (New England and mid-Atlantic states), "West" (everything west of a line drawn between the western borders of North Dakota and Texas), "North" (think combination of "Fargo" and Big 10 Football -- right, Gopher Brain?) and "South" (i.e., "The South" -- you know who you are . . . ).

Results: Median salaries for neurolgists in each region were . . .
East: $180,882
West: $199,614
South: $204,000
North: $201,241

But don't go into neuro if you want the big bucks. Highest paid specialties across the board were CT surgery, radiology, neurosurg, and ortho, all well above $300K per year in each region. Family practice, peds and psych were the bottom dwellers at about $150-170K.

2. There are jobs open for neuro everywhere. I get zillions of mailings and calls from headhunters. There seem to be particularly a lot of jobs in places like texas, florida, and places in between (i.e., the sun belt). But I've also gotten solicitations for jobs in Maine, Montana, California, Oregon, Missouri, Tennesee, Wisconsin, etc etc etc. You can pretty much go wherever you want. Just pick up the Green Journal sometime and look at the job ads to get a sense of things.

3. You don't "need" a fellowship if you just want to do general neurology (remember, that's 75% headache, back pain, and stroke -- who needs a fellowship for that when you've seen it nonstop in residency for 4 years?). Procedure-based fellowhips (EMG, sleep) are, however, good income-boosters (not to mention more intellectually stimulating).

4. Whoever was asking about peds neuro is right: you can go anywhere and be swamped with business immediately -- there is a huge need for peds neuro. But I don't think the salary is so great, although I'm not sure on that.

5. As for Play274's friends who are landing jobs at "impressive" academic programs with little difficulty, I suspect that's because there is no shortage of neurologists just out of residency who think they want to be in impressive academic programs, and who are willing to trade that off for the relatively low pay that such programs offer their junior faculty. I am not surprised by the comment that you are finding jobs in California, Chicago and the East Coast -- those are precisely the areas where an overabundance of residency programs and neurologists has driven down academic salaries to the point that nobody is taking them anymore (unless they are desparate to work at an "impressive" academic institution).

 

[play274]

As for Play274's friends who are landing jobs at "impressive" academic programs with little difficulty, I suspect that's because there is no shortage of neurologists just out of residency who think they want to be in impressive academic programs, and who are willing to trade that off for the relatively low pay that such programs offer their junior faculty. I am not surprised by the comment that you are finding jobs in California, Chicago and the East Coast -- those are precisely the areas where an overabundance of residency programs and neurologists has driven down academic salaries to the point that nobody is taking them anymore (unless they are desparate to work at an "impressive" academic institution).

neurologist: I believe that you have partially misinterpreted my post. Perhaps, my message has struck a cord with you. I hope that you can afford me the chance to clarify.

To restate my original post: I know of people who found private practice (not academic) positions in San Diego, New York, and Miami - among other places. I also know of people who went academic - in both smaller and larger cities. Although I have my personal preferences, I am not going to tout private practice or academics, nor will I denigrate large, medium, or small residency programs. I am only trying to state the facts - in my eyes.

Anyways, I do appreciate your response. You make some potentially valid points in terms of academic positions. It may make sense to postulate that it is a bit easier to obtain opportunities at strong academic institutions without a decent salary - and with a written clause that we may not moonlight; the same is probably true for most fields in medicine (with exceptions such as pathology). It does put things into perspective. I suppose that it also depends on whether or not one is entering a pure academic track or a clinical associate track. From what I have seen (which is a limited sample), certain positions in academic programs do not appear to be "that" easy to accrue a spot; per a few colleagues, I have seen that it may be tougher/more competitive to get an academic position in a place like New York or Boston, as opposed to Arkansas or Alabama.

Do you know that it is easy to obtain an academic position from your own experience, neurologist? Without divulging your identity, I would be interested in knowing more of what you have directly seen. My colleagues have been very supportive of me in this rather rapid year, and any other advice would be appreciated.

-274