Jocks in Psychiatry
Started by masterofmonkeys
I KNEW IT!!! THERE AREN'T ANY!!!! *sob*
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sure why not? Personally, my favorite t-shirt reads "I'd rather be deadlifting". But that's just me.
I dunno, I was attracted to psych for a lot of the same reasons I'm attracted to the science of being a meathead. Complexity of systems, positive feedback processes, and the capacity for behavioral change to manifest itself as biological change. Just wondering if anyone else felt that way.
I dunno, I was attracted to psych for a lot of the same reasons I'm attracted to the science of being a meathead. Complexity of systems, positive feedback processes, and the capacity for behavioral change to manifest itself as biological change. Just wondering if anyone else felt that way.
Couldn't the same be said of most primary care specialties?
Wonder what Tom Cruz would think?
Wow, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt on that one and recommend some light reading. Namely, even the most basic textbook on neuroscience. And a decent amount of basic critical thinking skills to go with it.
I saw him on TV the other day (not by choice) when he was puking his scientiology viewpoint on psychiatry.
Not true my friend. . . through probably less-so than ortho and their pseudo-athletic toughness.
Actually, one of the biggest reasons why I plan on going into psychiatry is b/c it will allow me to continue my bodybuilding lifestyle throughout residency and into practice (eating 6 small meals per day without a problem, sleeping at least 7 hours a day every day, working out very hard 3 days a week [it would be tough to exhaust all of your muscles and then perform any type of surgery or walk/run/stand around all day afterwards]). A lot of specialties make doing all of these things difficult...except psych.
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of all the med specialties, psych is probably towards the lower end of the range of "jockiness". If I was in a bar fight, I would want an orthopedist or general surgeon backing me up, not a psychiatrist.
Don't listen to the others, plenty of jocks in Psych.... heck we are the ones with most time on our hands to actually go body build. The weak psychs go to child psychiatry.... so we don't scare the kids.
But yes in a bar fight, I'd bet on the orthos. I think they have a secret height requirement.
But yes in a bar fight, I'd bet on the orthos. I think they have a secret height requirement.
Hey now, I was a light heavyweight boxer in college and participated in a semi-civilized fight club back in the day. I also have a 7+ foot wingspan. I can do just fine in a fight thank you very much.
Many bodybuilders actually have impaired explosivity due to the controlled rep technique they use. I'd much rather fight a 230lb bodybuilder than a 145lb wrestler.
Any of yall feel like you bring a 'jock mentality' to psych so to speak?
Many bodybuilders actually have impaired explosivity due to the controlled rep technique they use. I'd much rather fight a 230lb bodybuilder than a 145lb wrestler.
Any of yall feel like you bring a 'jock mentality' to psych so to speak?
Above posts notwithstanding, but...
GEEKS RULE!
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GEEKS RULE!
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Psychiatrist may be able to verbally defuse the situation or act like a psycho nut and scare the hell out of people, while the orthopedist or general surgeon would not want to hit anyone and risk breaking their hands.
In a bar fight, I'd much more want my drinking buddies watching my back than my physician buddies. Most docs I know either happily acknowledge that they're not the fighting kind or have an inflated ego and incorrectly assume that they are.
I'll take a buddy from the neighborhood any day over the MDs I know.
All that aside, I'm way too old for bar fights. It's a good way to get hurt and the testosterone thing just gets tired. It's a lot more fun in movies.
ex college athlete here ... i went as far as having a swoosh put permanently on my back... i know...
ha ha ha
psych is for jocks 😉 and for geeks 😉 and for everyone else in between!!👍
ha ha ha
psych is for jocks 😉 and for geeks 😉 and for everyone else in between!!👍
While there are exceptions to every rule, in my experience (which granted is limited to 12 weeks of psych clerkships and my interview trail) the men in psych tend to be less jockish and testosterone-emanating compared to surgeons. However I would say they are at least equal to if not more jocky than internists and optho. That may be the free time thing. I think psych does attract a much wider range of personalities than other specialties.
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Arghhh!!! 😡 Nowadays I do 8 reps with 135 lbs dumbells in lying dumbell press, so ****ing bloody strict & slow!!
NO PARDON!!!!!
Soon it is arms! Deadlifts are wonderful to do but NOTHING beats a really good bicep & tricep workout!!!! 😡
The best excercises are barbell/dumbell curls & hammer curls do those! Do those hard & heavy and you get huge arms!!
But don't forget the forearms! It's so bloody important to have HUGE forearms or you are not HUGE!
Triceps is a mighty horseshoe!!!
NO PARDON!!!!!
Soon it is arms! Deadlifts are wonderful to do but NOTHING beats a really good bicep & tricep workout!!!! 😡
The best excercises are barbell/dumbell curls & hammer curls do those! Do those hard & heavy and you get huge arms!!
But don't forget the forearms! It's so bloody important to have HUGE forearms or you are not HUGE!
Triceps is a mighty horseshoe!!!
none of the above post was even remotely funny. i tried to chuckle to justify wasting 10 seconds of my life after reading it, but couldn't even do that.
I knew 3 guys total in psyche residency that were jocks in highschool--the football crowd that was still proud of their football days.
Met quite a few into sports psychiatry, though some of them weren't jocks, but the fat kid that liked to watch sports, but wasn't athletic themselves. You know-the guy with the big pot belly in the audience with each breast painted one of the team's colors.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/v5cache/TBS/Images/Dynamic/i23/seinfeld_episode109_337x233_040420061512.jpg
But none of the above was a trend.
Most of the jock types I knew in medschool, that seemed to have a jock personality wise-macho, male bonding, former sports players, they tended to want to go into a field that was high stress, hands on, didn't require much empathy with the patients. E.g. ER, or trauma or vascular surgery.
This is the type of guy I'm talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JMOh-cul6M
However I guess that may (or who knows may not) be a real trend.
(video not meant to offend our jock/ER/surgeon colleagues)
Me I'm a geek-read comics, watch Star Trek, like to discuss geek things such as FTL travel, life on other planets, but I was also in a fraternity (well it was a geek fraternity), but I also ran a few businesses & organizations before & during medschool. I workout about 4 times a week. I knew I wanted psychiatry before medschool, and that's why I went into medschool.
Met quite a few into sports psychiatry, though some of them weren't jocks, but the fat kid that liked to watch sports, but wasn't athletic themselves. You know-the guy with the big pot belly in the audience with each breast painted one of the team's colors.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/v5cache/TBS/Images/Dynamic/i23/seinfeld_episode109_337x233_040420061512.jpg
But none of the above was a trend.
Most of the jock types I knew in medschool, that seemed to have a jock personality wise-macho, male bonding, former sports players, they tended to want to go into a field that was high stress, hands on, didn't require much empathy with the patients. E.g. ER, or trauma or vascular surgery.
This is the type of guy I'm talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JMOh-cul6M
However I guess that may (or who knows may not) be a real trend.
(video not meant to offend our jock/ER/surgeon colleagues)
Me I'm a geek-read comics, watch Star Trek, like to discuss geek things such as FTL travel, life on other planets, but I was also in a fraternity (well it was a geek fraternity), but I also ran a few businesses & organizations before & during medschool. I workout about 4 times a week. I knew I wanted psychiatry before medschool, and that's why I went into medschool.
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I actually didn't find that to be true where I trained. At least not in my age group, the people just before me and the people who are there now.
The much older psychiatrists perhaps but then again, who knows what they were like when they were younger.
I work out, play regularly, have season tickets and in the immortal words of Al Bundy "I played High School Football!"
The two male C&A psychiatrists at the hospital I volunteered with may or may not have been jocks, but both were behemoths. One about 6'6 little under 300 lbs, the other around 7', and not skinny.
since this thread was brought back from the dead, i've got a funny update.
Went to see an ortho for one of my cripplitude issues. Fellow comes in 'i see you're an intern...ortho?' 'no psych'.
Fellow comes back in after xrays are taken 'gen surg right?' 'no psych'
Attending comes in 'urology right?' 'no, still psych'.
Was hilarious.
Went to see an ortho for one of my cripplitude issues. Fellow comes in 'i see you're an intern...ortho?' 'no psych'.
Fellow comes back in after xrays are taken 'gen surg right?' 'no psych'
Attending comes in 'urology right?' 'no, still psych'.
Was hilarious.
I like stereotypes and generalizations as much as the next guy, and so I wonder about jocks in psych as well as the whole concept of jock.
Here's what wikipedia has to say about the generalizations assoc with "jock, " followed by my highly discerning and well thought out take on each (ok, I spent 1 minute per item)
1. Very attractive girlfriend (usually a cheerleader) but shows signs of disrespect toward women (abuse, crude sexual jokes, etc.).
***I don't think this fits, at least the latter part.
2. Homophobic
***Given the relatively high percentage of gay men in psychiatry and our aim to comfortably deal with human differences, I'd hope not.
3. Muscular/athletic, but conversely not considered intelligent
***Reading the above, some of us are apparently "body builders," though many others would view body building as compensatory/defensive rather than simply athletic. I doubt if many of us were in the dunce category in high school, though there are likely some people who chose psychiatry because they didn't do well in the rest of medical school (which is always a concern of mine; editorial comment: study hard in all your courses even if you KNOW you're going to be a psychiatrist. Studying hard is part of being a professional!)
4. Often perceived as getting preferential treatment solely due to athletic ability (e.g., passing grades undeserved, bad conduct overlooked)
***Seems unlikely for most of us.
5. Popular among classmates or students similar to his own clique
***Maybe
6. Generally popular with the girls, but is often despised by non-jock boys
***Maybe
7. Competitive
***Probably, though probably more competitive with school than rugby
8. Bullying, cruel and mean, in extreme cases antisocial or psychopathic personality structure with tendencies to violent crime
***Hope not, and therapy may not be enough to fix it.
Here's what wikipedia has to say about the generalizations assoc with "jock, " followed by my highly discerning and well thought out take on each (ok, I spent 1 minute per item)
1. Very attractive girlfriend (usually a cheerleader) but shows signs of disrespect toward women (abuse, crude sexual jokes, etc.).
***I don't think this fits, at least the latter part.
2. Homophobic
***Given the relatively high percentage of gay men in psychiatry and our aim to comfortably deal with human differences, I'd hope not.
3. Muscular/athletic, but conversely not considered intelligent
***Reading the above, some of us are apparently "body builders," though many others would view body building as compensatory/defensive rather than simply athletic. I doubt if many of us were in the dunce category in high school, though there are likely some people who chose psychiatry because they didn't do well in the rest of medical school (which is always a concern of mine; editorial comment: study hard in all your courses even if you KNOW you're going to be a psychiatrist. Studying hard is part of being a professional!)
4. Often perceived as getting preferential treatment solely due to athletic ability (e.g., passing grades undeserved, bad conduct overlooked)
***Seems unlikely for most of us.
5. Popular among classmates or students similar to his own clique
***Maybe
6. Generally popular with the girls, but is often despised by non-jock boys
***Maybe
7. Competitive
***Probably, though probably more competitive with school than rugby
8. Bullying, cruel and mean, in extreme cases antisocial or psychopathic personality structure with tendencies to violent crime
***Hope not, and therapy may not be enough to fix it.
Just had to make an anal quick comment here. Not all hardcore weight lifters are bodybuilders. Some lift in pursuit of strength and power only.
And believe it or not many bodybuilders recognize that their physiques approach and even cross over into abnormal and that it actually hurts their attractiveness to the opposite sex.
I found the latter particularly interesting, as despite being a long-time gym rat, I always assumed that all bodybuilders had some level of muscle dysmorphia.
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This guy cracks me the hell up, but he extolls exactly what you are referring to (building power, not size):
http://www.powerbypavel.com/
