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Biden said he’d be unveiling more specifics on his health care plan in the next few weeks. But he said if elected, he would get to universal coverage quickly. He pointed to giving Americans a public option of a government-run health insurance program, similar to Medicare.

Biden said Americans need “a public option, now more than ever.” He noted it was especially important with 20 million Americans out of work.

“They need a president who will go in the White House and fight like hell to get Americans the health care coverage they need,” Biden said.

Biden said health care coverage was personal to him and his wife, Jill. He noted the loss of his son, Beau, who died of cancer at age 46."
 

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Biden said he’d be unveiling more specifics on his health care plan in the next few weeks. But he said if elected, he would get to universal coverage quickly. He pointed to giving Americans a public option of a government-run health insurance program, similar to Medicare.

Biden said Americans need “a public option, now more than ever.” He noted it was especially important with 20 million Americans out of work.

“They need a president who will go in the White House and fight like hell to get Americans the health care coverage they need,” Biden said.

Biden said health care coverage was personal to him and his wife, Jill. He noted the loss of his son, Beau, who died of cancer at age 46."
What a horrible idea
 

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What a horrible idea
Why? I’m not sure of the effects this will have on the US. I’m just not versed enough on the economic and social implications this could cost.
 
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It’s horrible because goods/services like healthcare are not a right and should be paid for by the consumer
Beyond philosophical standpoints, how would this impact the US. Skyhigh taxes? Similar issues with the PPACA in that the deductibles and monthly premiums are absurd?
 
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Beyond philosophical standpoints, how would this impact the US. Skyhigh taxes? Similar issues with the PPACA in that the deductibles and monthly premiums are absurd!?
Or just get the corporations and millionaires to actually pay their damn taxes.
 

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I’m personally a fan of the German system.
 

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With the pandemic, George Floyd protests, economic depression, upcoming housing crisis, Trump's strongman response to the protests, and as well with Republicans' final attempt to eliminate Obamacare before election(political suicide). There's going to be a big blue wave coming this November giving Biden a big win(he won the primary without campaigning and probably again in the general). Though it was reported last December, Biden "doesn't want the Democrats to win big" in November because it brings public pressure to make changes similar to the first two years of Obama.

Look, Biden isn't for the public option nor is the established Democrats. If the Democrats are force to talk, debate, discuss, pressure to pass a public option with a super-majority, they'll kill it again like they did in 2009-2010.session.

Biden's health plan is pretty much bringing back the individual-mandate that got appealed by Trump's executive order.

So, Bidencare is Obamacare, a.k.a. Romneycare, a.k.a. BobDoleCare'96, a.k.a. JimmyCarterCare, a.k.a. Nixoncare. a.k.a. similar proposal that the right-wing corporate think-tank, the Heritage Foundation, offered in the late-1980's.
 

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Why? I’m not sure of the effects this will have on the US. I’m just not versed enough on the economic and social implications this could cost.
He thinks eliminating all regulations and installing "free-market solutions" solves all the problems within the U.S, healthcare system. Yet, never explain about balancing medical professionals' salary and cost for consumers. Like all libertarians, conservatives, economic liberals, neoliberals' right-wingers' ideas of 19th Century economics in the 21st Century, sounds good in paper, in theory, but we all know it doesn't work out in the end...
 

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With the pandemic, George Floyd protests, economic depression, upcoming housing crisis, Trump's strongman response to the protests, and as well with Republicans' final attempt to eliminate Obamacare before election(political suicide). There's going to be a big blue wave coming this November giving Biden a big win(he won the primary without campaigning and probably again in the general). Though it was reported last December, Biden "doesn't want the Democrats to win big" in November because it brings public pressure to make changes similar to the first two years of Obama.

Look, Biden isn't for the public option nor is the established Democrats. If the Democrats are force to talk, debate, discuss, pressure to pass a public option with a super-majority, they'll kill it again like they did in 2009-2010.session.

Biden's health plan is pretty much bringing back the individual-mandate that got appealed by Trump's executive order.

So, Bidencare is Obamacare, a.k.a. Romneycare, a.k.a. BobDoleCare'96, a.k.a. JimmyCarterCare, a.k.a. Nixoncare. a.k.a. similar proposal that the right-wing corporate think-tank, the Heritage Foundation, offered in the late-1980's.
While I hope you are right about Biden being elected, keep in mind all the voter suppression tactics that Trump and the Republicans are engaging in currently.
Trump himself accidentally told the truth when he said that if USA expanded mail voting and made it easier to vote, that “no Republican would ever get elected”.

Hopefully Dems use the same tactics as Trump and declare voting rights and gerrymandering a National Emergency and just take $ from Defence and the millionaires and help fix those and other pressing issues
 
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With the pandemic, George Floyd protests, economic depression, upcoming housing crisis, Trump's strongman response to the protests, and as well with Republicans' final attempt to eliminate Obamacare before election(political suicide). There's going to be a big blue wave coming this November giving Biden a big win(he won the primary without campaigning and probably again in the general). Though it was reported last December, Biden "doesn't want the Democrats to win big" in November because it brings public pressure to make changes similar to the first two years of Obama.

Look, Biden isn't for the public option nor is the established Democrats. If the Democrats are force to talk, debate, discuss, pressure to pass a public option with a super-majority, they'll kill it again like they did in 2009-2010.session.

Biden's health plan is pretty much bringing back the individual-mandate that got appealed by Trump's executive order.

So, Bidencare is Obamacare, a.k.a. Romneycare, a.k.a. BobDoleCare'96, a.k.a. JimmyCarterCare, a.k.a. Nixoncare. a.k.a. similar proposal that the right-wing corporate think-tank, the Heritage Foundation, offered in the late-1980's.
Man i disagree with a lot of this that i don't know where to begin
 

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While I hope you are right about Biden being elected, keep in mind all the voter suppression tactics that Trump and the Republicans are engaging in currently.
Trump himself accidentally told the truth when he said that if USA expanded mail voting and made it easier to vote, that “no Republican would ever get elected”.

Hopefully Dems use the same tactics as Trump and declare voting rights and gerrymandering a National Emergency and just take $ from Defence and the millionaires and help fix those and other pressing issues
Democrats are usually bad at doing any of that, and end up strengthening Trump and Republicans.
 

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Democrats are usually bad at doing any of that, and end up strengthening Trump and Republicans.
Yes... unfortunately those damn scruples get in the way.
 

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Man i disagree with a lot of this that i don't know where to begin
Go ahead. It's 2020. All the information what's going on behind the curtains is all there. We don't live in the days of relying on corporate media.
 

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Yes... unfortunately those damn scruples get in the way.
Lol yes. The Democrats have so many scruples. /s

Can we please not pretend like either party has any sense of morality?
 

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Lol yes. The Democrats have so many scruples. /s

Can we please not pretend like either party has any sense of morality?
Not that all of their actions are based on doing good, but a lot are.
We are stuck in a 2 party system and the choice will always be the lesser of two evils.
The Dems are way less evil than Reps..and the current admin is the epitome of that.
 
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Not that all of their actions are based on doing good, but a lot are.
We are stuck in a 2 party system and the choice will always be the lesser of two evils.
The Dems are way less evil than Reps..and the current admin is the epitome of that.
If you really believe that, then this conversation was over before it started.
 

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I was thinking I wouldn't vote it all but now I'm sure I'll vote for Trump. His son died because of the stagnation in the standard of care that rampant socialism has already brought about. "Universal coverage" will be a government promise of a trip to a complacent doctor who can do nothing to help you.
 
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While I hope you are right about Biden being elected, keep in mind all the voter suppression tactics that Trump and the Republicans are engaging in currently.
Trump himself accidentally told the truth when he said that if USA expanded mail voting and made it easier to vote, that “no Republican would ever get elected”.

Hopefully Dems use the same tactics as Trump and declare voting rights and gerrymandering a National Emergency and just take $ from Defence and the millionaires and help fix those and other pressing issues
Are you ok with the government taking $ from you so they can have more money to waste?
 
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The problem with the US healthcare is the consumer. We have a bunch of fat people who do not take care of themselves.
 
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Not that all of their actions are based on doing good, but a lot are.
We are stuck in a 2 party system and the choice will always be the lesser of two evils.
The Dems are way less evil than Reps..and the current admin is the epitome of that.
I guess it's a tie, but I someone were to put a gun in my head to choose, I probably would choose the dem to be in power. I will be on the sideline for now until they get their act together.
 

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I guess it's a tie, but I someone were to put a gun in my head to choose, I probably would choose the dem to be in power. I will be on the sideline for now until they get their act together.
You do you.... but equating them seems unfair to me.

Allowing for discrimination against gays.
Allowing for foreign powers to meddle in elections.
Making voting harder and harder.
Packing courts with judges with minimal to no experience, all with only a 2 hour “debate”.
Cutting food stamp benefits.
Fighting minimum wage increases.
Giving further tax breaks to millionaires.
Allowing corporations to not pay taxes.
Cutting unemployment benefits.
Cutting meals on wheels programs.
Wasting $ on a border wall that has no chance of working.
Holding the covid relief package hostage until they could put in ANOTHER $50 billion worth of tax cuts for those that don’t need it.
Trying to privatise mail so people have an even harder time voting.
Making it harder to have medical and reproductive health coverage.
Not believing in, or doing anything about, climate change.
Letting Russia get away with putting bounties on US soldiers.


And ofcourse......
Letting thousands upon thousands die due to inactions for months (Covid).

So... not the same to me.
 
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