Just Curious...UCSF&UCB, why separate?

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I'm curious about the historical reason(s) behind having a separate UC San Francisco campus as a health science campus, instead of having it as a branch of UC Berkeley?

I know the two campuses are not adjacent to each other, but they're relatively close. Look at Cornell, where the health science campus is totally separated from the main campus; Northwestern's two campuses are also separated.
 

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ucsf used to be a independent medical center, and it was purchased by the UC system i believe, and as a result there was no reason to make it part of UC Berkeley. Cal still has the JMP, and it is capable of educating students in the preclinical sciences. They could easily start up a medical school by expandind the clincial teaching facilities at UCSF.
 

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Does anyone know if UCSF has a joint MD/MBA or Pharm D/MBD program (with UCB perhaps)?

Looked on UCSF's website, but there joint degrees are pretty limited...
 

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Originally posted by exmike
ucsf used to be a independent medical center, and it was purchased by the UC system i believe, and as a result there was no reason to make it part of UC Berkeley. Cal still has the JMP, and it is capable of educating students in the preclinical sciences. They could easily start up a medical school by expandind the clincial teaching facilities at UCSF.

Yea that will make more sense.
 

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It would be AWESOME if Berkeley acquired UCSF and UCSF formally became University of California-Berkeley Medical School. However, there is no way in hell that would happen. First of all, UCSF gets more funding because it's a separate institution. If it were the medical campus of another university, it would have to take its slice of the pie of that university's research grants and endowments. Because UCSF is independent, it has a whole pie to itself instead of asking Berkeley for a slice. Secondly, I think the Regents of the University of California have a vested interest in having a designated health sciences campus in addition to a designated campus for jurisprudence (Hastings). I'm pretty sure this interest is primarily related to producing more research facilities, hiring another set of faculty, and bolstering the academic rankings of more UC campuses.

However, there ARE joint MD-PhD programs between UCSF and Berkeley. I'm pretty sure the MD-PhD students do research at both institutions and have access to the faculty of both schools for advising and mentoring.
 

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If anything, I think UCSF should acquire biology departments of Berkeley. I think UCB might be hugh as an institution, but I bet UCSF is bigger in biomedical related departments.

And UCSF Neuroscience program is second to none!
 

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Originally posted by BerkeleyPremed
However, there ARE joint MD-PhD programs between UCSF and Berkeley. I'm pretty sure the MD-PhD students do research at both institutions and have access to the faculty of both schools for advising and mentoring.

From what I've seen and heard, UCSF MD/PhD students don't really enjoy an integrated experience (or at least at the level that it should be considering what a pair UCSF and UCB are). Many faculty have dual appointments in both institutions, however. And while there is the JMP (=taking your first two years of med school at Berkeley, not UCSF, with only your JMP classmates), joint MD/PhD programs between the two have been slow to get off the ground (e.g. BioE). As with any large public university system, the individuals trying to build these programs have encountered many beaurocratic barriers. Nonetheless, it seems a determined student can take advantage of both campuses with a little perseverance...

Just my $0.02.
 

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Originally posted by ptran
Does anyone know if UCSF has a joint MD/MBA or Pharm D/MBD program (with UCB perhaps)?

Looked on UCSF's website, but there joint degrees are pretty limited...
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USC's Pharm.D./MBA program is very popular.
 
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