Just Finished First Week of M1 - Ask Me Anything

[HinduHammer]

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I'm an m3 son, good luck learning the krebs cycle

I don't really understand the implication here.

 

[sliceofbread136]

MS3s have free time to post on SDN?

I Always find the time for sdn

I don't really understand the implication here.

You asked if I'd ever be a doctor, I was just answering

I hope you are never ever my doctor. Or anyone else's for that matter, but that's outside of my control.

That's cool

 

[Mr. Beefy Lion]

If I offered you 10 half court basketball shots right now, and if you made 1 you earn $5 mil, but if you made none you went to prison for 2 years would you take the deal?

 

[strictlyanon]

You said you got accepted to 2 schools, how did you choose one over the other?

 

[RogueUnicorn]

How many times have you heard the phrase "drinking from a fire hydrant"

I'm an m3 son, good luck learning the krebs cycle

Classic SDN!!!

 

[deleted393595]

We have two short essays due next week.

BS machine, ENGAGE!

 

[deleted393595]

Market for a single med school guy is good where I am, not great for me particularly I suppose. 90%++ people here are white, most of the guys in my class are really ripped/lean and white and 6 foot plus.

I don't max out, not a bro dude.

Figured out the problem.

My diagnosis skillz much wow. I can haz MD school admission? 😛

Also OP, you call thyself the "Hammer". How hammered do you get weekly?

Serious question though: How much did you end up paying for textbooks?

MS3s have free time to post on SDN?

He's probably on his Derm rotation 😛

 

[cloudmurder1]

Figured out the problem.

My diagnosis skillz much wow. I can haz MD school admission? 😛

Also OP, you call thyself the "Hammer". How hammered do you get weekly?

Serious question though: How much did you end up paying for textbooks?



He's probably on his Derm rotation 😛

Best post on this entire threa

 

[cloudmurder1]

Figured out the problem.

My diagnosis skillz much wow. I can haz MD school admission? 😛

Also OP, you call thyself the "Hammer". How hammered do you get weekly?

Serious question though: How much did you end up paying for textbooks?



He's probably on his Derm rotation 😛

Best post on this entire thread

 

[On Eagle's Wings]

😵😵
Nice attitude...especially when someone is kind enough to answer questions.

Oh, and I'm sure @On Eagle's Wings is quite happy with his school.

I go to a very good medical school that has unbelievable support for their students. Essays were for Orientation to Medicine and Religion Class. They are not that long- only 1 page each.

If you really hate essay writing, I do not know how you will be able to write a report on each patient you visit or participate in research.

 

[HinduHammer]

If I offered you 10 half court basketball shots right now, and if you made 1 you earn $5 mil, but if you made none you went to prison for 2 years would you take the deal?

LOL.

Absolutely not.

 

[cloudmurder1]

Now that I'm on the other side of the process, I can see how obnoxious and offensive this attitude is. No, I am not URM. There are maybe 3-4 URM in our whole class and they seem extremely competent. I had a 5 year gap between undergrad and taking another stab at pre-med, where I got a 4.00 for 2 years, tough my ugrad GPA was so low that my overall w as still a 2.7. My MCAT was greater than 90%. Medical school admissions is random, but not as random as you think. Hating on URM displays your insecurities because you think you deserve to get in greater than someone else because of GPA/ test scores, and that's not what this is about.

I respectfully disagree with what you are saying here. Whether URMs are qualified and necessary (which I currently believe is the case) is another issue, these posters were being legitimately curious based on past data. With the average gpa of MD school matriculants being ~3.6, there must have been something very unique about your application, which, as you said, there was. Being a URM often qualifies as being an example of uniqueness; this was probably their line of reasoning, based on the fact that admitted URMs, on average, tend to have lower GPA and MCAT scores than non-URMs, on average.

 

[HinduHammer]

You said you got accepted to 2 schools, how did you choose one over the other?

One was my #1 choice school since I decided to do medicine, it was in-state tuition, and I also got a small scholarship, so it was almost a no-brainer. Other school was in a great city with great opportunities, but the money and everything else made it a no-brainer.

How many times have you heard the phrase "drinking from a fire hydrant"

Classic SDN!!!

None actually. What we've heard a lot is "its absolutely imperative that you do not get behind. The best way to do that is by getting ahead." So, we are encouraged to be pro-active in our studying.

Figured out the problem.

My diagnosis skillz much wow. I can haz MD school admission? 😛

Also OP, you call thyself the "Hammer". How hammered do you get weekly?

Serious question though: How much did you end up paying for textbooks?

I drink no more than twice per week...more or less haha. Orientation week was almost every other night. I spent about $5 on an old Kaplan Step 1 Review Book at the M2 book fair that I probably shouldn't have even bought. I'm not planning on buying any books at all, we have everything we need free through school library services or barring that all the upperclassmen have all the books on their hard drives (if I ever need to look at them on their computers completely legally, that is).

 

[HinduHammer]

I respectfully disagree with what you are saying here. Whether URMs are qualified and necessary (which I currently believe is the case) is another issue, these posters were being legitimately curious based on past data. With the average gpa of MD school matriculants being ~3.6, there must have been something very unique about your application, which, as you said, there was. Being a URM often qualifies as being an example of uniqueness; this was probably their line of reasoning, based on the fact that admitted URMs, on average, tend to have lower GPA and MCAT scores than non-URMs, on average.

Meh, I think the tone made it clear that someone with a below average GPA had to be a URM. They didn't ask "whoa you had a 2.7 GPA, did you have some crazy extenuating circumstance/awesome research/local hero?" No, it was "whoa you had a 2.7 GPA, are you URM?" There is a tonal difference that belies intention.

Personally though, I disagree that being URM in and of itself should be a selection factor one way or the other. I think the best candidates should always get the spots. However, many times being from a background that you'd almost certainly be a URM and still getting awesome results (graduating from a 4 year college, above a 26 on MCAT) makes you more qualified than cookie cutter middle-class suburban applicants with a 3.5 and 30. As I mentioned, there are only 3-4 URM in our class and they are all unique and very intelligent and talented. But whatever, no one cares about the URM fight anymore, once you get that short white coat everyone is just your classmate.

 

[On Eagle's Wings]

What's funny is I'm not sure if he noticed that I was calling him out based on his response 🤣

:troll:

 

[strictlyanon]

I'm not sure if this question will even make sense but- how are the intangibles in relationships between students/friendships between students/relationship between faculty and student/ in med school different than or the same as in undergrad? Like the atmosphere, the attitudes, etc. I'm sorry, it's a terribly worded question. I have no idea how to clarify what's in my head.

 

[halcyonpage]

What's the white coat like?

How did you find housing?

Do you have a favorite school/discipline of yoga?

 

[cloudmurder1]

Meh, I think the tone made it clear that someone with a below average GPA had to be a URM. They didn't ask "whoa you had a 2.7 GPA, did you have some crazy extenuating circumstance/awesome research/local hero?" No, it was "whoa you had a 2.7 GPA, are you URM?" There is a tonal difference that belies intention.

Because, from what I've seen, simply being a URM constitutes a sizable portion (in other words, is relatively common) of all the types of extenuating circumstances that med school matriculants have. Thus, the tonal difference, albeit present, isn't terribly offensive in my opinion.

 

[TaroBubbleTea]

Was your orientation as mind numbing as mine is right now?

 

[Ace Khalifa]

I know where you live...

Jk, I know where you go to med school, and it's a great one. You should be proud of yourself for all your accomplishments.

Oh, I guess my question is: best beer you've had in your med school's town/city?

 

[pyrrion89]

How many cute medical hunnies have you slain?

Any women you got your eye on?

jk

but actually srs

How is the market for a single guy in medical school?

Dating in med school is easy in terms of options, and hard in terms of free time available, if you're a man. Mostly it's easy because the single female med students are very eager to find a med student boyfriend. The male med students are more open to an expanded dating pool, while the female ones would prefer a med student (speaking generally). Dates with girls outside the med school is also easy... first few dates are easy because the girls are always intrigued about med school/medicine. Also the med school culture rubs off on most, and they get fitter and thus more attractive. I'm sure that helps too.

It also helps to go to a med school with a close university campus nearby or, even better, attached to it.

 

[cloudmurder1]

Dating in med school is easy in terms of options, and hard in terms of free time available, if you're a man. Mostly it's easy because the single female med students are very eager to find a med student boyfriend. The male med students are more open to an expanded dating pool, while the female ones would prefer a med student (speaking generally). Dates with girls outside the med school is also easy... first few dates are easy because the girls are always intrigued about med school/medicine. Also the med school culture rubs off on most, and they get fitter and thus more attractive. I'm sure that helps too.

It also helps to go to a med school with a close university campus nearby or, even better, attached to it.

How sure are you of this? Ofc what you're saying may be true (and I sort of hope it is), but lots of others have contradicted the ease of med student men dating. How does it look like the MS2s and 3s fare in that regard?

 

[HinduHammer]

I'm not sure if this question will even make sense but- how are the intangibles in relationships between students/friendships between students/relationship between faculty and student/ in med school different than or the same as in undergrad? Like the atmosphere, the attitudes, etc. I'm sorry, it's a terribly worded question. I have no idea how to clarify what's in my head.

Well, if I understand you correctly, one of the biggest differences is the amount of civility and cordiality expected in daytime, academic events. Day 1 of orientation it was hammered into is that we are now entering the medical profession, we represent our school and the profession of medicine. Professionalism issues are taken seriously and there is pretty much zero tolerance for unprofessionalism. So, while behind closed doors, or even in small groups, we talk normally and curse and all that; we are very professional with teachers, administration, and with each other, generally. So far at least, you don't act all dramatic and ignore people and stuff or play those subtle games that happen in undergrad. I like it actually. People need to be more professional overall, in my opinion.

What's the white coat like?

How did you find housing?

Do you have a favorite school/discipline of yoga?

White coat is cool I guess, kind of a pain in the ass: Whenever we have to wear it, I have to get all clean and shave and wear professional attire - and we're not even seeing patients yet, so it's like kind of a pain in the butt. Perhaps it will be cooler once I shadow real patients or whatever.

Since I was accepted pretty early I entered my name in the grad student housing lottery and got very lucky. I got into a university student owned apartment complex that literally straddles campus and downtown. I can't tell you how amazing it is being able to walk home from the bars, as well as run to the phenomenal rec center, or walk to the student center/library/med school/anything on campus. It takes me longer to drive to class than to walk since driving we have to park in the top floor of the hospital parking garage which takes forever to traverse.

Well, I love vinyasa yoga. That's what gets my blood pumping and I feel lots of the benefits of the lymph circulation and all that jazz from vinyasa. I think restorative (yin) yoga is better for me though as a weight lifter/bodybuilder dude, as its better for my muscles and all that. I'm not particularly fond of hatha yoga. The yoga that I need to partake in more is meditation though, as clearing one's mind is just freakin' amazing.

Was your orientation as mind numbing as mine is right now?

A lot of people complained about our orientation, but I liked it. Yes there was lots of sitting in rooms and listening to people, but we are starting a very important, life-changing chapter of our lives. The most mind-numbing parts for me were waiting in long queues to get IT stuff setup.

I know where you live...

Jk, I know where you go to med school, and it's a great one. You should be proud of yourself for all your accomplishments.

Oh, I guess my question is: best beer you've had in your med school's town/city?

Thanks Ace! I love my school, and I'm glad you ended up at your #1 choice 🙂

Hmm well I couldn't tell you the beer because I haven't really been paying attention to names, there is a ginger flavored beer at a local brewery that is amazing. There is also a winery not too far from here that has excellent cabernet! How is school going for you so far man?

Dating in med school is easy in terms of options, and hard in terms of free time available, if you're a man. Mostly it's easy because the single female med students are very eager to find a med student boyfriend. The male med students are more open to an expanded dating pool, while the female ones would prefer a med student (speaking generally). Dates with girls outside the med school is also easy... first few dates are easy because the girls are always intrigued about med school/medicine. Also the med school culture rubs off on most, and they get fitter and thus more attractive. I'm sure that helps too.

It also helps to go to a med school with a close university campus nearby or, even better, attached to it.

I completely disagree. 90% of the girls in my class have boyfriends/husbands, the others don't want to date a fellow M1, as they view us (perhaps rightly so) as like brothers. The girl in my class I messed around with had broken up with her boyfriend like that day or the day before actually. A lot of the M2 girls have talked crap about me for being so flirtatious with a couple of M2 girls at a bar one night (including an M2 girl that I kinda made out with) and had already given me a negative reputation, apparently. I mitigated this by talking to some of them in the following days and apologizing and just explaining that I'm a big flirt and like to have fun. While this certainly helped mitigate the damage (which is important for me since I plan to run for class president), the fact remains med school is a big family and incest is looked down upon.

Dates with girls outside the med school being easy? I dunno man. I am all about breaking down limiting beliefs and barriers and all that, but I have not found that any of the girls I meet are like "Med student? MUST DATE HIM NOW." If anything they are impressed, but the basics of attraction still have to be there. Whether I'm a med student or phD student I don't think make a difference to girls at all.

Not sure what you mean about the med school culture thing.....

I do agree that the time available thing is hard and is only going to get harder.

 

[On Eagle's Wings]

Well, if I understand you correctly, one of the biggest differences is the amount of civility and cordiality expected in daytime, academic events. Day 1 of orientation it was hammered into is that we are now entering the medical profession, we represent our school and the profession of medicine. Professionalism issues are taken seriously and there is pretty much zero tolerance for unprofessionalism. We are very professional with teachers, administration, and with each other, generally. People need to be more professional overall, in my opinion.

Agree 100% on the necessity of professionalism in medicine. We had a 45 minute presentation today from the dean on what professionalism in medicine means. At my school, tank-tops and cut-offs in class are seen as unprofessional, as well as visible tattoos, body or facial piercings, earings for men, non-conservative haircuts (e.g. mohawks) and playing on your computer during lecture. May I add that tobacco, drinking, and drugs are also unprofessional at my school. A nice, clean, and friendly environment for becoming health professionals. 🙂

 

[HinduHammer]

Agree 100% on the necessity of professionalism in medicine. We had a 45 minute presentation today from the dean on what professionalism in medicine means. At my school, tank-tops and cut-offs in class are seen as unprofessional, as well as visible tattoos, body or facial piercings, earings for men, non-conservative haircuts (e.g. mohawks) and playing on your computer during lecture. May I add that tobacco, drinking, and drugs are also unprofessional at my school. A nice, clean, and friendly environment for becoming health professionals. 🙂

I don't think that school would be good for me haha. I have a strange haircut and often wear athletic clothes to class. Glad you enjoy it though 🙂

 

[CsHead]

I completely disagree. 90% of the girls in my class have boyfriends/husbands, the others don't want to date a fellow M1, as they view us (perhaps rightly so) as like brothers. The girl in my class I messed around with had broken up with her boyfriend like that day or the day before actually. A lot of the M2 girls have talked crap about me for being so flirtatious with a couple of M2 girls at a bar one night (including an M2 girl that I kinda made out with) and had already given me a negative reputation, apparently. I mitigated this by talking to some of them in the following days and apologizing and just explaining that I'm a big flirt and like to have fun. While this certainly helped mitigate the damage (which is important for me since I plan to run for class president), the fact remains med school is a big family and incest is looked down upon.

A lot of that sounds specific to your school... I've never heard anyone mention medcest as being looked down upon. It's practically expected.

On a side note, I would have told the M2s to go f themselves so good for you.

 

[pyrrion89]

How sure are you of this? Ofc what you're saying may be true (and I sort of hope it is), but lots of others have contradicted the ease of med student men dating. How does it look like the MS2s and 3s fare in that regard?

I guess your mileage really varies by what school you go to, and the luck of the draw with who happens to be in your class. Some people get unlucky and have a way different experience.

 

[Strudel19]

So, the market is good. But you are the product. Sometimes the market is in your favor (if you're genetically more attractive taller, same ethnicity etc.), sometimes its not.

The Economics of Getting Laid: A Discussion by HinduHammer

 

[oOKawaiiOo]

I completely disagree. 90% of the girls in my class have boyfriends/husbands, the others don't want to date a fellow M1, as they view us (perhaps rightly so) as like brothers. The girl in my class I messed around with had broken up with her boyfriend like that day or the day before actually. A lot of the M2 girls have talked crap about me for being so flirtatious with a couple of M2 girls at a bar one night (including an M2 girl that I kinda made out with) and had already given me a negative reputation, apparently. I mitigated this by talking to some of them in the following days and apologizing and just explaining that I'm a big flirt and like to have fun. While this certainly helped mitigate the damage (which is important for me since I plan to run for class president), the fact remains med school is a big family and incest is looked down upon.

Dates with girls outside the med school being easy? I dunno man. I am all about breaking down limiting beliefs and barriers and all that, but I have not found that any of the girls I meet are like "Med student? MUST DATE HIM NOW." If anything they are impressed, but the basics of attraction still have to be there. Whether I'm a med student or phD student I don't think make a difference to girls at all.

Not sure what you mean about the med school culture thing..... I do agree that the time available thing is hard and is only going to get harder.

Red: The friend zone is expanding. Watch your step.
Green: You preyed on that poor soul. She was at her lowest and took advantage of it! lol
Blue: They were jealous you didn't make out with them. Typical.
Pink: Just date. Wouldnt hurt unless they catch feelings. Medical school is stressful and you need to decompress one way or another. A relationship to me would only cause more burden.

 

[HinduHammer]

The Economics of Getting Laid: A Discussion by HinduHammer

Haha I was an Economics major in college!

 

[solitarius]

I completely disagree. 90% of the girls in my class have boyfriends/husbands, the others don't want to date a fellow M1, as they view us (perhaps rightly so) as like brothers.

While this certainly helped mitigate the damage (which is important for me since I plan to run for class president), the fact remains med school is a big family and incest is looked down upon.

This is entirely a function of geography. San Francisco vs. middle America are worlds apart.

Being from CA and having done an extensive and much dreaded tour of duty in middle America, I can definitely say that the good people from the heartland are raised to court, to get hitched early, and to breed as prodigiously as financial means will allow. Not everyone is like that of course, but social pressure is what it is everywhere.

 

[Ischemia1032]

Eagle wings, I respect all medical students greatly as it is an achievement getting in from most places. However, I would not say your schools is "very good" given according to US news report rankings, your school is unranked, meaning there is no point in ranking it, it has produced little to no reputable studies. With classes like medicine and religion(required), and essays in med school. Your med school sounds a bit off to me...

 

[Chelsea FC]

Eagle wings, I respect all medical students greatly as it is an achievement getting in from most places. However, I would not say your schools is "very good" given according to US news report rankings, your school is unranked, meaning there is no point in ranking it, it has produced little to no reputable studies. With classes like medicine and religion(required), and essays in med school. Your med school sounds a bit off to me...

*shots fired*
If i'm correct he goes to Loma Linda School of Medicine which is a good school... stop talking about things you do not know and that US news report ranking isnt the say all end all .. Back on topic Hindu how is the bar scene ? Do the students form clicks?

 

[Gauss44]

What are the names of all the classes you took this year?

 

[skinofteeth]

Did anyone quit yet? lol

 

[WedgeDawg]

Eagle wings, I respect all medical students greatly as it is an achievement getting in from most places. However, I would not say your schools is "very good" given according to US news report rankings, your school is unranked, meaning there is no point in ranking it, it has produced little to no reputable studies. With classes like medicine and religion(required), and essays in med school. Your med school sounds a bit off to me...

This is a terrible way to judge a school. If you want to go by U.S. News rankings, I go to a very good school and we also have required essays and an emphasis on narrative medicine. So no, there is nothing "off" about this, there are just a multitude of ways to approach medical education.

 

[md-2020]

Eagle wings, I respect all medical students greatly as it is an achievement getting in from most places. However, I would not say your schools is "very good" given according to US news report rankings, your school is unranked, meaning there is no point in ranking it, it has produced little to no reputable studies.

Aka a med school you'll be wishing you could get into 3 years down the road.

 

[steelersfan1243]

This is a terrible way to judge a school. If you want to go by U.S. News rankings, I go to a very good school and we also have required essays and an emphasis on narrative medicine. So no, there is nothing "off" about this, there are just a multitude of ways to approach medical education.

WedgeDawg, I respect all medical students greatly as it is an achievement getting in from most places. However, I would not say your schools is "very good" according to steelersfan1243 news rankings, your school is not in the top 2, meaning there is no point ranking it, and with classes like humanities (required) and essays, it seems a bit off to me....

 

[HinduHammer]

This is entirely a function of geography. San Francisco vs. middle America are worlds apart.

Being from CA and having done an extensive and much dreaded tour of duty in middle America, I can definitely say that the good people from the heartland are raised to court, to get hitched early, and to breed as prodigiously as financial means will allow. Not everyone is like that of course, but social pressure is what it is everywhere.

I can see your point.

 

[On Eagle's Wings]

Eagle wings, I respect all medical students greatly as it is an achievement getting in from most places. However, I would not say your schools is "very good" given according to US news report rankings, your school is unranked, meaning there is no point in ranking it, it has produced little to no reputable studies. With classes like medicine and religion(required), and essays in med school. Your med school sounds a bit off to me...

Actually, Loma Linda was ranked #1 nationwide for the school producing graduates who know they are making the world a better place.
http://myllu.llu.edu/newsoftheweek/story/?id=18166

We are a great medical school known for great doctors who practice whole-person care and integrate our faith into our practice of medicine. I've told lots of people (not on SDN of course) that I was going to Loma Linda, and they said that Loma Linda is a really good school. We are known for making a difference and providing great patient care. Sometimes, the rankings just don't matter.

 

[steelersfan1243]

Christ, I can't believe someone would actually say this. Anyone should be happy to get into ANY American MD school. You sound like one of those people who think that any medical school that's not Harvard is garbage. If you're really a pre-med student, you should know better than that.

I just saw he is a rising freshman:

 

[genericpremedstudent]

Actually, Loma Linda was ranked #1 nationwide for the school producing graduates who know they are making the world a better place.
http://myllu.llu.edu/newsoftheweek/story/?id=18166

We are a great medical school known for great doctors who practice whole-person care and integrate our faith into our practice of medicine. I've told lots of people (not on SDN of course) that I was going to Loma Linda, and they said that Loma Linda is a really good school. We are known for making a difference and providing great patient care. Sometimes, the rankings just don't matter.

i dont really have a horse in this race, but I hardly think this survey is any indication whether LL is a "good" school or not. if you survey med school grads about if they think they are making a difference, of course the self-righteous religious ones will be the first to say they are. this has absolutely nothing to do with the school.

 

[On Eagle's Wings]

And may I add that I rejected a scholarship from a 20 medical school to come to Loma Linda. I think that "unranked" Loma Linda still had more to offer me than the top 20 I rejected. I could have gone to a top medical school, but I feel that Loma Linda offers me things I will not find anywhere else on the planet. At my school, we have 24 hour moratorium (voluntary, but most people do it) from studying. What other medical school on the planet can you take a break from studying for a 24 hour Sabbath or rest and relaxation without feeling like everyone else is studying ahead of you?

 

[genericpremedstudent]

And may I add that I rejected a scholarship from a 20 medical school to come to Loma Linda. I think that "unranked" Loma Linda still had more to offer me than the top 20 I rejected. I could have gone to a top medical school, but I feel that Loma Linda offers me things I will not find anywhere else on the planet. At my school, we have 24 hour moratorium (voluntary, but most people do it) from studying. What other medical school on the planet can you take a break from studying for a 24 hour Sabbath or rest and relaxation without feeling like everyone else is studying ahead of you?

not just a moratorium from studying, but from anything. and i always wondered, we have a 7th day adventist hospital here... are they open on saturdays?

 

[On Eagle's Wings]

not just a moratorium from studying, but from anything. and i always wondered, we have a 7th day adventist hospital here... are they open on saturdays?

Not quite, we are just not supposed to study. We are supposed to attend church, do something fun, and spend time with family and friends. Yes, the hospital is open, we just don't schedule appointments or do procedures that could easily wait until later. That way, many of our staff and doctors can take time off to go to worship services and observe the Sabbath.

 

[genericpremedstudent]

Not quite, we are just not supposed to study. We are supposed to attend church, do something fun, and spend time with family and friends. Yes, the hospital is open, we just don't schedule appointments or do procedures that could easily wait until later. That way, many of our staff and doctors can take time off to go to worship services and observe the Sabbath.

gotcha. not to derail the thread or anything, but in your experience so far, is LL pretty accepting of all religions? I have a friend applying (definitely not me) who is catholic. he also said the only reason he is applying there is because they don't do a criminal background check so who knows lol

 

[On Eagle's Wings]

Yes, we are very accepting. We have a mix of SDA's and non-SDA Christians. We are very accepting and will not try to proselytize people. Our education is very faith-based, though, and we pray before classes and meetings, read the Bible in class, and openly talk about our faith and relationship with God. Even our white-coat ceremony was very religious in nature.

LLU does requires a background check, something you might want to tell your friend.

 

[genericpremedstudent]

Yes, we are very accepting. We have a mix of SDA's and non-SDA Christians. We are very accepting and will not try to proselytize people. Our education is very faith-based, though, and we pray before classes and meetings, read the Bible in class, and openly talk about our faith and relationship with God. Even our white-coat ceremony was very religious in nature.

LLU does requires a background check, something you might want to tell your friend.

just out of curiosity, and not really trying to get into some deep religious conversation, but does the same hold true for muslims who apply? and yeah, im not sure where he got that from. his situation is very weird, he got a DUI, while he technically never got convicted, it is still on his record, and in our state, it will never come off. i think his med school dreams are shot despite being a stellar applicant (minus the dui) but he is trying anyways.

 

[lhooq]

Yes, we are very accepting.

From your student handbook: "All forms of sexual expression and conduct between heterosexuals outside of marriage, or between homosexuals, are contrary to the ideals of the University and will result in disciplinary action."

See pg 75-76: http://www.llu.edu/assets/central/handbook/documents/Student-Handbook.pdf

I know that LL is a good school and it is obviously a great fit for some, but I'm confused as to how LL can be considered an "accepting" school when it enforces policies that many would consider to be discriminatory and homophobic...

 

[On Eagle's Wings]

From your student handbook: "All forms of sexual expression and conduct between heterosexuals outside of marriage, or between homosexuals, are contrary to the ideals of the University and will result in disciplinary action."

See pg 75-76: http://www.llu.edu/assets/central/handbook/documents/Student-Handbook.pdf

I know that LL is a good school and it is obviously a great fit for some, but I'm confused as to how LL can be considered an "accepting" school when it enforces policies that many would consider to be discriminatory and homophobic...

You are duly informed! The reason this in tour handbook is so that you know about and will not apply here if you can't live with this policy.

Not to start on another "counterculture" topic that will get this thread shut down like the thread that talked about abortion and birth control, but we view homosexuality and out-of-wedlock sexual activity as being contrary to the ideas of marriage set forth in the New Testament. We hold the Bible as the ultimate authority here, and we see these behaviors as not in accordance with the Bible. Being a religious institution, this would not be discriminatory because we view homosexuality and out-of-wedlock sexual activity as actions. We discipline actions, not people's inherent qualities. We are accepting of other beliefs, but not actions that run contrary to what we believe. If we did not have this policy, the Biblical foundation we are founded upon would crumble and we would lose everything we stand upon and live for here.

Again, I do not want to start another war here, but this is my take on my school's policy and why we have it.