Just how much better are your chances if you apply URM? Example...

[grindtime1]

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I know this has been debated a lot, but I searched and didn't get the answer I was looking for. I understand the standards to meet are different, but I have no idea how different.

Example:

White male with a 3.8 GPA, 36 MCAT, 2 years research (no publications), 6 months volunteering, 3 months shadowing.

VS

URM with a 3.6 GPA, 34 MCAT, 1 year research (no publications), same amount of volunteering and shadowing.


Who's got the better shot at a top 20 medical school?

What would a URM need to do to get into a school whose averages are 3.9 GPA and 36 MCAT? Please answer this question at least if not the other one.

 

[bannie22]

there is no strict rules about this.

if im adcom, i would pick the urm in your situation, but like all the gpa-mcat questions. nobody will be able to give you a definite answer just that URM gives you an advantage, how much is up to anyone's guess.

 

[bannie22]

by the way, in your scenario, especially at a top20. I greatly favour the URM to be successful. I would feel it would be almost a 90-10 because the white male is nowhere near stellar

 

[J ROD]

Urm

 

[anonymousername]

comparing URM v nonURM on a 1-on-1 basis is a crap shoot.... but out of curiosity, are there URMs admitted with MCATs in the teens or GPA below 3.2?

(not trying to instigate just wondering)

 

[strummin]

My personal opinion is that URM status should only be taken into account when that URM grew up in a significantly more disadvantaged environment than the non-URM... but if the URM comes from a wealthy family who never had significant obstacles in pursuit of his/her education, then his/her URM status should not give him/her any advantage over non-URM's.

I would like to believe that adcoms hold the same opinion, but I honestly don't know how the "URM" factor is taken into account.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

My personal opinion is that URM status should only be taken into account when that URM grew up in a significantly more disadvantaged environment than the non-URM... but if the URM comes from a wealthy family who never had significant obstacles in pursuit of his/her education, then his/her URM status should not give him/her any advantage over non-URM's.

I would like to believe that adcoms hold the same opinion, but I honestly don't know how the "URM" factor is taken into account.

i agree
the urm status is supposed to be to help bring people into medically disadvantaged area's
realistically theres no way that it'll happen
if someone who came from a **** area, managed to crawl out of there and get into med school
they sure as hell wont go back
my friend who lived in the ghetto of baltimore just got out of umaryland medical school , full ride
he sure as hell wont be going back to ghetto
he's already found a nice place in florida.

also another situation is my friend who's family makes about the same as mine
but he is african american
he will get a upper hand when applying
but that means little cuz he is a smart ass and scored a 35 on his mcat first try lol
but yah
the urm thing is a major fail

@ the op
yah the urm with those stats might get into harvard with a good scholarship

 

[sassilysweet]

My personal opinion is that URM status should only be taken into account when that URM grew up in a significantly more disadvantaged environment than the non-URM... but if the URM comes from a wealthy family who never had significant obstacles in pursuit of his/her education, then his/her URM status should not give him/her any advantage over non-URM's.

I would like to believe that adcoms hold the same opinion, but I honestly don't know how the "URM" factor is taken into account.

I believe it has been stated many times by many people (such as LizzyM) that no two students are ever directly compared like that.

I agree with the idea that disadvantaged status should be what is considered instead of race. Since there are a greater percentage of minorities that would have this status, it would still give members of that group a "bonus".

I don't think this is actually how the system works, however.

 

[strummin]

comparing URM v nonURM on a 1-on-1 basis is a crap shoot.... but out of curiosity, are there URMs admitted with MCATs in the teens or GPA below 3.2?

(not trying to instigate just wondering)

Probably. Just as they're many non-URM's that are also accepted w/ low MCAT's and/or GPA's. Usually though, if they have a really low GPA (>3.00), their MCAT makes up for it or vice versa.

Nonetheless, every person in medical school will have to take the Step 1 exams, and your URM status will not help you in that regard. So I don't think it's that big of a deal if a person with a low GPA and/or MCAT gets into medical school, since even they will eventually have to pass the exams too and prove that they are "smart enough".

 

[FlowRate]

I'll reference the AAMC charts... URM's are 100% successful where Whites are 85-95% successful. Also, 100% success never shows up for White applicants, although it does for other ethnicities.

I've seen unfair URM status abuse from the college application perspective. A much less competitive applicant with URM status applied to Stanford against 5 other EXCELLENT students (the top 5 of our class, pretty much--and not just in academics) and beat them out. Her family has more money than those 5 other applicants' families.

 

[JJMrK]

I know this has been debated a lot, but I searched and didn't get the answer I was looking for. I understand the standards to meet are different, but I have no idea how different.

Example:

White male with a 3.8 GPA, 36 MCAT, 2 years research (no publications), 6 months volunteering, 3 months shadowing.

VS

URM with a 3.6 GPA, 34 MCAT, 1 year research (no publications), same amount of volunteering and shadowing.


Who's got the better shot at a top 20 medical school?

What would a URM need to do to get into a school whose averages are 3.9 GPA and 36 MCAT? Please answer this question at least if not the other one.

Both of those applicants have an excellent shot at a top 20 school.

If you want to get into a school with 3.9/36 averages, shoot for a 3.9/36. Simple as that. Sure being URM is probably going to help you, but who knows exactly how much?

 

[strummin]

I'll reference the AAMC charts... URM's are 100% successful where Whites are 85-95% successful. Also, 100% success never shows up for White applicants, although it does for other ethnicities.

I've seen unfair URM status abuse from the college application perspective. A much less competitive applicant with URM status applied to Stanford against 5 other EXCELLENT students (the top 5 of our class, pretty much--and not just in academics) and beat them out. Her family has more money than those 5 other applicants' families.

And what about the rest of their applications? You know nothing about them. You can't be making all these assumptions. Do you know the EC's for all of them? Do you know how well each wrote their PS? Do you know how well each of them interviewed?

Sometimes, we need to stop making these assumptions. It is easy to point to any successful URM and claim that they were successful because they were an URM. But we don't know for sure. It might be true in some cases, but definitely not in all cases. So it's better not to make such assumptions.

 

[FlowRate]

And what about the rest of their applications? You know nothing about them. You can't be making all these assumptions. Do you know the EC's for all of them? Do you know how well each wrote their PS? Do you know how well each of them interviewed?

Sometimes, we need to stop making these assumptions. It is easy to point to any successful URM and claim that they were successful because they were an URM. But we don't know for sure. It might be true in some cases, but definitely not in all cases. So it's better not to make such assumptions.

Yes, I knew/know them all very well. I can guarantee you the 5 were better applicants in all dimensions not related to race.

 

[grindtime1]

by the way, in your scenario, especially at a top20. I greatly favour the URM to be successful. I would feel it would be almost a 90-10 because the white male is nowhere near stellar

How is the white applicant not stellar?

Are you telling me a 3.8/36 + months of volunteering/shadowing + 2 years of research is BELOW AVERAGE for a top 20 medical school?

 

[mybubbles14]

I'll reference the AAMC charts... URM's are 100% successful

😕.............successful at what?

 

[grindtime1]

Yes, I knew/know them all very well. I can guarantee you the 5 were better applicants in all dimensions not related to race.

Either in this thread or via PM, could you explain to me in detail the situation of the friends you knew and roughly what their stats were?

Are you telling me they got into top schools with below average (for the specific school) stats and applying as URM?

 

[deleted74029]

comparing URM v nonURM on a 1-on-1 basis is a crap shoot.... but out of curiosity, are there URMs admitted with MCATs in the teens or GPA below 3.2?

(not trying to instigate just wondering)

Yes, but there have also been whites accepted with those stats.

 

[bannie22]

How is the white applicant not stellar?

Are you telling me a 3.8/36 + months of volunteering/shadowing + 2 years of research is BELOW AVERAGE for a top 20 medical school?

I love how my posts are not only frequently misread, and misquoted, but also misinterpreted.

But I'm not here to start a fight.

Do you really think that

not stellar = below average?

is that how it works in your mind? everything not stellar is below average?😕😱

 

[HealingbyFaith]

What difference does it really make? People get so caught up about worrying about others when they should use that energy to worry about themselves.

The patient pool is diverse and there should be a diverse physician population. Medical schools realize that diversity adds to the medical education of their students as well as the profession period.

Med schools are more concerned with admitting the WHOLE student and not just looking at numbers. They realize the value that a URM student brings to their school are willing to bend on the grades in exchange for life expereince and cultural differnces that can't be taught through a classroom. Statisitics have shown that URM are still able to perform just as well, if not better than their non URM counterparts.

So what if the school's average is a 35 and the URM has a 30! Numbers only don't make a compentent and caring doctor...If that were the case, med school would only be a reward to the highest scorers. Med schools don't want clones.

I wanna also piggyback on a previous comment. It's unfair to say that they only got in because of the URM. They may very well have a GREAT application despite somewhat lower scores than the average. They will still make great doctors. Let's leave that up to the admissions committee to decide.

Take home message: Get over it and worry about being the best and getting yourself in.

 

[anonymousername]

Probably. Just as they're many non-URM's that are also accepted w/ low MCAT's and/or GPA's. Usually though, if they have a really low GPA (>3.00), their MCAT makes up for it or vice versa.

I was referring to nonURMs and URMs that have both a low GPA and MCAT score. But i assume that high performing ethnicities aren't held to a higher standard as URMs are held to a lower one? nonURM, high performing ethnicities just don't get the help.

 

[bannie22]

My only concern with the URM is that sometimes, like previous posters have noted, URM does not necessary symbolize a greater and more well-rounded life experience.

And at the same time, I wonder, is it appropriate to "punish" students who have not had the turmoil-filled life experiences that some other kid had?

The kid with the average life thus would have had no opportunity to "test" himself.

However, I would like to maintain faith in all adcoms that they pick the student for the entire application. URM plays a role, but hopefully, just a factor, and not THE factor.

 

[wanderer]

Yes, but there have also been whites accepted with those stats.

URM chances with those numbers are MUCH higher than non-URM.

My only concern with the URM is that sometimes, like previous posters have noted, URM does not necessary symbolize a greater and more well-rounded life experience.

And at the same time, I wonder, is it appropriate to "punish" students who have not had the turmoil-filled life experiences that some other kid had?

The kid with the average life thus would have had no opportunity to "test" himself.

However, I would like to maintain faith in all adcoms that they pick the student for the entire application. URM plays a role, but hopefully, just a factor, and not THE factor.

They should replace the whole giving "points" to URMs with giving points to people from disadvantaged backgrounds or who've had various other non-academic struggles.

 

[HealingbyFaith]

You're right, not all URM may bring different experiences. They could have no sense of what it means to be a URM except for physical appearances. However, there are glitches and loopholes in every system.

Some people may get through the cracks unfairly but that card can work for non URM too. Maybe student X didn't deserve to get into Duke but his father knew someone....and then because he went to Duke and did average, he was looked upon more favorably than the person who excelled at a state school.

Take home message: this system isn't perferfect and some may have a somewhat "upperhand" due to special characteristics, but we need to worry about ourselves and leae it to the professionals. Worrying about others won't get you into med school.

 

[FlowRate]

😕.............successful at what?

Not quoting the entire post removes an essential part. Statistically, where whites are ~95% successful (>3.8GPA >37MCAT), URM's are 100% successful (sometime with even lower stats). Success is if they are admitted to med school.

Either in this thread or via PM, could you explain to me in detail the situation of the friends you knew and roughly what their stats were?

Are you telling me they got into top schools with below average (for the specific school) stats and applying as URM?

This was for undergrad. I'm telling you the 5 BEST students at my school were beaten out by a GOOD but not BEST student at my school who happened to be URM (the other 5 were white/Asian).

I love how my posts are not only frequently misread, and misquoted, but also misinterpreted.

But I'm not here to start a fight.

Contradiction and narcissism. Ever consider the idea that your communication and social skills are not up to par, at least on the internet?

 

[anonymousername]

So what if the school's average is a 35 and the URM has a 30! Numbers only don't make a compentent and caring doctor...If that were the case, med school would only be a reward to the highest scorers. Med schools don't want clones.

I agree with your entire post except this part. If a med school has an average MCAT of 35+ the likelihood of them even looking at a nURM with a score of 30 is slim.
The basis for acceptance is academics, who you are and what you've done is subsequent to that. The way you perform on a standardized exam shows adcoms where an applicant is relative to his or her peers.

At an institution where 35 is the average, any applicant who has gotten a 30 should be heavily scrutinized because they have performed worse than the average matriculant.

MCAT and GPA are reflections of the character of an applicant. How well they have understood the material, performed in classes, prepared for the exam, how much experience they have had volunteering, and in the medical field all show their dedication to the career path they have chosen.... this should be the basis for which an applicant is chosen.

When I hear Dr. King's quote: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." and I hear about URMs getting into fantastic med schools with laughable stats, I get the feeling that low performing URMs are being admitted based on perceptions of their race rather than their actual performance in school.

In my eyes, URMs who have strong stats and have shown that they can compete and exceed do deserve the "leg up" because they have proven themselves. URMs with low stats should be rejected in the same way as other sub par applicants are.

 

[mybubbles14]

You're right, not all URM may bring different experiences. They could have no sense of what it means to be a URM except for physical appearances. However, there are glitches and loopholes in every system.

Some people may get through the cracks unfairly but that card can work for non URM too. Maybe student X didn't deserve to get into Duke but his father knew someone....and then because he went to Duke and did average, he was looked upon more favorably than the person who excelled at a state school.

Take home message: this system isn't perferfect and some may have a somewhat "upperhand" due to special characteristics, but we need to worry about ourselves and leae it to the professionals. Worrying about others won't get you into med school.

👍 good point...haven't seen many threads with people complaining about this

MCAT and GPA are reflections of the character of an applicant, how well they have prepared for the exam and how well they've performed in class show their dedication to the career path they have chosen.

This is not necessarily true....some individuals spend a great deal of money on test preparatory materials and practice exams to achieve their 35s (including re-takes). Practice exams are $40 bucks...courses can run $899 to just under $2000. This isn't to say that taking a kaplan class or having a 100 subject quizzes/exams and practice tests will automatically land you an amazing score, but you sure are at more of an advantage than someone who can only afford 1 addtional AAMC practice test. I even hear about people who take the "actual" MCAT and VOID just to get the experience. How well someone does on the MCAT at least is not necessarily a measure of their dedication (or aptitude for that matter).

 

[anonymousername]

👍 good point...haven't seen many threads with people complaining about this

does that happen often? 😱

 

[FlowRate]

When I hear Dr. King's quote: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." and I hear about URMs getting into fantastic med schools with laughable stats, I get the feeling that low performing URMs are being admitted based on perceptions of their race rather than their actual performance in school.

This is a good post and something I like to discuss every once in a while. It's almost like institutionalized "preference" (Affirmative Action is "technically" "not still around") is a form of further separation and inequality. Why can't people just be people? I agree that socioECONOMICALLY disadvantaged people may warrant some special consideration (overcoming adverse circumstances), but that shouldn't be directly and automatically correlated to Race.

 

[wanderer]

Med schools are more concerned with admitting the WHOLE student and not just looking at numbers. They realize the value that a URM student brings to their school are willing to bend on the grades in exchange for life expereince and cultural differnces that can't be taught through a classroom. Statisitics have shown that URM are still able to perform just as well, if not better than their non URM counterparts.

Link please?

So what if the school's average is a 35 and the URM has a 30! Numbers only don't make a compentent and caring doctor...If that were the case, med school would only be a reward to the highest scorers. Med schools don't want clones.

I wanna also piggyback on a previous comment. It's unfair to say that they only got in because of the URM. They may very well have a GREAT application despite somewhat lower scores than the average. They will still make great doctors. Let's leave that up to the admissions committee to decide.

You realize that if a large percentage of a certain group gets in while another group with the same numbers fares much worse, it can't possibly be a result of everyone in the successful group having "great applications."

does that happen often? 😱

Probably, but there aren't any statistics on it, so it's impossible to prove the extent of that advantage.

 

[bannie22]

Not quoting the entire post removes an essential part. Statistically, where whites are ~95% successful (>3.8GPA >37MCAT), URM's are 100% successful (sometime with even lower stats). Success is if they are admitted to med school.



This was for undergrad. I'm telling you the 5 BEST students at my school were beaten out by a GOOD but not BEST student at my school who happened to be URM (the other 5 were white/Asian).



Contradiction and narcissism. Ever consider the idea that your communication and social skills are not up to par, at least on the internet?

actually, not at all. if you bothered to put on your glasses, you would not have any difficulty in understanding. chillax. 🙄

 

[bannie22]

You're right, not all URM may bring different experiences. They could have no sense of what it means to be a URM except for physical appearances. However, there are glitches and loopholes in every system.

Some people may get through the cracks unfairly but that card can work for non URM too. Maybe student X didn't deserve to get into Duke but his father knew someone....and then because he went to Duke and did average, he was looked upon more favorably than the person who excelled at a state school.

Take home message: this system isn't perferfect and some may have a somewhat "upperhand" due to special characteristics, but we need to worry about ourselves and leae it to the professionals. Worrying about others won't get you into med school.

I don't think the OP is worrying about anything. I think he is just asking a genuine question. And even if he is worrying, it is a natural human instinct. I do not think anyone here is hating on the system (or URMs) or demanding some sort of radical change.

 

[grindtime1]

Hey guys, good debate and all but we're not here to argue about whether or not it's fair for non-URM applicants.

Exactly what would a URM have to do to get into a top 20 school?

Would he need 2 years of research or just 1?

How about GPA and MCAT? Would a few MCAT points below the school's median give him a good shot? Or would he have to be at its average?

I know some people are going to say "there's no way to know how much it helps" but that can't be true.

Somebody has to know.

 

[grindtime1]

What difference does it really make? People get so caught up about worrying about others when they should use that energy to worry about themselves.

The patient pool is diverse and there should be a diverse physician population. Medical schools realize that diversity adds to the medical education of their students as well as the profession period.

Med schools are more concerned with admitting the WHOLE student and not just looking at numbers. They realize the value that a URM student brings to their school are willing to bend on the grades in exchange for life expereince and cultural differnces that can't be taught through a classroom. Statisitics have shown that URM are still able to perform just as well, if not better than their non URM counterparts.

So what if the school's average is a 35 and the URM has a 30! Numbers only don't make a compentent and caring doctor...If that were the case, med school would only be a reward to the highest scorers. Med schools don't want clones.

I wanna also piggyback on a previous comment. It's unfair to say that they only got in because of the URM. They may very well have a GREAT application despite somewhat lower scores than the average. They will still make great doctors. Let's leave that up to the admissions committee to decide.

Take home message: Get over it and worry about being the best and getting yourself in.

What is this supposed to mean? The goal is not to become a "competent and caring" doctor.

Anyone who gets accepted can do that.

The goal is to earn the respect of family members and others by proving you are better than everyone else (i.e. by getting accepted into a top 20 medical school, something that 99.9% of the population couldn't even dream of doing).

 

[mybubbles14]

Not quoting the entire post removes an essential part. Statistically, where whites are ~95% successful (>3.8GPA >37MCAT), URM's are 100% successful (sometime with even lower stats). Success is if they are admitted to med school.

I simply asked what you were referring to for clarification...you did not include the parentheses.

 

[bannie22]

Hey guys, good debate and all but we're not here to argue about whether or not it's fair for non-URM applicants.

Exactly what would a URM have to do to get into a top 20 school?

Would he need 2 years of research or just 1?

How about GPA and MCAT? Would a few MCAT points below the school's median give him a good shot? Or would he have to be at its average?

I know some people are going to say "there's no way to know how much it helps" but that can't be true.

Somebody has to know.

Unfortunately, it IS true.
Just try your best. You will do fine. 👍

Just know, that if you have teh same stats and same ECs as another student, you are 10 miles ahead of them! 👍

 

[bannie22]

What is this supposed to mean? The goal is not to become a "competent and caring" doctor.

Anyone who gets accepted can do that.

The goal is to earn the respect of family members and others by proving you are better than everyone else (i.e. by getting accepted into a top 20 medical school, something that 99.9% of the population couldn't even dream of doing).

I think Healingbyfaith is just suggesting an entirely different perspective, different from the perspective you are currently taking (which is with the view to getting into medical school) compared to her (all people can be good doctors, regardless of their grades)

 

[grindtime1]

Do you think a 3.7/36 URM with 12 months of clinical volunteering, 1 year of research, 1 year of TAing, and 5 months of physician shadowing would be a lock to get into a top 20 school?

Let's say this school has a median GPA of 3.9 and MCAT of 35.

What are your thoughts?

 

[calimed214]

Hey guys, good debate and all but we're not here to argue about whether or not it's fair for non-URM applicants.

Exactly what would a URM have to do to get into a top 20 school?

Would he need 2 years of research or just 1?

How about GPA and MCAT? Would a few MCAT points below the school's median give him a good shot? Or would he have to be at its average?

I know some people are going to say "there's no way to know how much it helps" but that can't be true.

Somebody has to know.

Dude, give it up. There's no cut and dry answer here (ie: URM = +0.2 to the GPA). Combine that with the fact that every school is likely to be different and there's no way to know for sure. Just aim for as high of a GPA/MCAT as you can get.

 

[bannie22]

Do you think a 3.7/36 URM with 12 months of clinical volunteering, 1 year of research, 1 year of TAing, and 5 months of physician shadowing would be a lock to get into a top 20 school?

Let's say this school has a median GPA of 3.9 and MCAT of 35.

What are your thoughts?

You will not be a lock. But you have a good chance. If you really just want to know about your chances, post it in the subforum What are my chances. There are people there who will be more than helpful at pointing you out in the right direction.

I am sure you do not just want to know WHAT your chances are. But HOW you can improve them right?

Stratego and Jdub are very helpful in that aspect.

 

[FlowRate]

I simply asked what you were referring to for clarification...you did not include the parentheses.

I assumed everyone had seen the chart ad nauseum. Bad assumption, apparently.

 

[randombetch]

If someone did a statistical analysis, I bet URM status would have the same statistical advantage as +3 to +5 on the MCAT at top schools.

 

[bannie22]

If someone did a statistical analysis, I bet URM status would have the same statistical advantage as +3 to +5 on the MCAT at top schools.

👍

 

[grindtime1]

If someone did a statistical analysis, I bet URM status would have the same statistical advantage as +3 to +5 on the MCAT at top schools.

Seriously? Wow. That's unbelievable.

This also brings up the question, "Just how difficult is it to fake being a URM for interviews?"

Is this common or not? I heard (but don't know anybody personally) about some people who got away with applying URM even though they were Asian.

How hard would it be? If you got accepted after applying as URM even though you weren't, will the medical school ever ask you questions about it again? Will it be easy to keep it secret?

 

[FlowRate]

If someone did a statistical analysis, I bet URM status would have the same statistical advantage as +3 to +5 on the MCAT at top schools.

Although that sounds close, I would liken it to more of a +10% chance of acceptance, however that manifests itself in terms of GPA/MCAT/ECs/what-have-you.

Seriously? Wow. That's unbelievable.

This also brings up the question, "Just how difficult is it to fake being a URM for interviews?"

Is this common or not? I heard (but don't know anybody personally) about some people who got away with applying URM even though they were Asian.

How hard would it be? If you got accepted after applying as URM even though you weren't, will the medical school ever ask you questions about it again? Will it be easy to keep it secret?

Legally, they HAVE to let you apply as a disadvantaged student REGARDLESS of your race. HOWEVER, it would be considered disingenuous if you did not come from a truly disadvantaged background (if you are white or asian, even though it's not supposed to be about race).

 

[mybubbles14]

The goal is to earn the respect of family members and others by proving you are better than everyone else (i.e. by getting accepted into a top 20 medical school, something that 99.9% of the population couldn't even dream of doing).

Is this a serious comment?

The other posters are correct in saying that there is no "lock". Just try your best to be the most competitive applicant (period...not "for a urm") that you can be. Apply broadly and you should stand a good chance at getting accepted...but I doubt anybody on here can give you the magical formula that will guarantee you a top 20 seat.

 

[grindtime1]

I guess the consensus here is that a URM with 95th+ percentile stats has a great shot at getting into a top 20 school.

 

[calimed214]

Seriously? Wow. That's unbelievable.

This also brings up the question, "Just how difficult is it to fake being a URM for interviews?"

Is this common or not? I heard (but don't know anybody personally) about some people who got away with applying URM even though they were Asian.

How hard would it be? If you got accepted after applying as URM even though you weren't, will the medical school ever ask you questions about it again? Will it be easy to keep it secret?

Ugh. 👎 I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked yet. Any kind of meaningful discussion on the topic has already been had.

 

[HealingbyFaith]

Wanderer100 believe it or not, I really have better things to do with my life than to find you a link. Simply look at the number of URM that matriculate at a medical school and the number of students that graduate. Evidently students are graduating and passing their boards. Even though they may have been admitted with lower scores, they are still able to perform since they graduate and pass the boards. Additionally, they obtain compettive redisidences.To make you feel better you could simply reference the MSAR and any school's website for their stats.

It's not as if sooooo many URM are applying and they ALL get in. The numbers are low to begin with in the first place. If there are 150 slots and 5000 non URM apply and 25 URM, that school very well may take a URM with a 30 vs the other 1000 students with a 35. By simply looking at numbers it may appear as "punishment" or "unfair" but to the progression of medicine and creating a diverse medical school expereince for students, it's well worth it.

This is a moot point. Yup, I think I'm pretty much done with this thread (unless someone says something off the wall). Deuces.

 

[bannie22]

Ugh. 👎 I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked yet. Any kind of meaningful discussion on the topic has already been had.

agreed. was shocked 😱😱😱 at the latest question that i decided to not reply and let the thread fall down the pecking order. but ... meh

 

[grindtime1]

Ugh. 👎 I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked yet. Any kind of meaningful discussion on the topic has already been had.

What are you talking about?

I got that from THIS forum when someone posted that his friend applied as a URM even though he was not (and got in).

That's why I was wondering if something like this was common or not.