Juvederm, botox, eyelash extensions before interviews?

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They would make me feel confident at best. Bad idea?
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Botox tends to give people uncomfortable-looking paralyzed faces. Like, uncanny and emotionless. That doesn't sound like something that an adcom would want to see. Especially if you're a traditional student around 21 or 22 years old.
 
bluegreen91 said:
They would make me feel confident at best. Bad idea?
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You want to come off as a future professional. Doesn't matter how confident you feel as much as how competent and professional it makes you look. Whether any of these things help or hurt really kind of depends on your starting point.
 
While I don't think cosmetic procedures are necessarily bad, I'm not sure about getting them just for the sake of medical school interviews. Like, is this something that you would have done anyway if you didn't have to appear in front of an adcom? You can do any number of procedures to make yourself feel more confident, but if it's for the sole purpose of getting into med school then your time and money would be misplaced. If you do go through with it, I would make double, triple checks in the reputation of the place you go to for any of these things, and give enough time to recover before going to your interview. Nonetheless, if a person is dressed professionally and has important things to say, there's potentially no need for more drastic measures.
 
bubbletearex said:
While I don't think cosmetic procedures are necessarily bad, I'm not sure about getting them just for the sake of medical school interviews. Like, is this something that you would have done anyway if you didn't have to appear in front of an adcom? You can do any number of procedures to make yourself feel more confident, but if it's for the sole purpose of getting into med school then your time and money would be misplaced. If you do go through with it, I would make double, triple checks in the reputation of the place you go to for any of these things, and give enough time to recover before going to your interview. Nonetheless, if a person is dressed professionally and has important things to say, there's potentially no need for more drastic measures.
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They would def not be for the sole purpose of interviews. I was just wondering if avoiding a refill from around now till December would be a good idea
 
The doctor I shadow does these routinely and the vast majority of people under 30 dont need anything. If you're super nontraditional, do it regularly, and like how confident these procedures make you feel then go for it
 
At my school, we rejected people with this flat affect phenotype.

Cotterpin said:
Botox tends to give people uncomfortable-looking paralyzed faces. Like, uncanny and emotionless. That doesn't sound like something that an adcom would want to see. Especially if you're a traditional student around 21 or 22 years old.
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Vote 'yes' to the juvederm and extensions, 'no' to the botox because you're risking possible complications that can last several months.

EDIT: But that whole no-expression thing is largely a TV trope people (unless she's going directly from clinic to med school interview, same day).
 
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ChillDawg said:
How would eyelash extensions help? This aint da club....
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Only ugly people believe that nobody accounts for appearance except at "da club". That's why they remain ugly...and negatively judged.
 
freemontie said:
Only ugly people believe that nobody accounts for appearance except at "da club". That's why they remain ugly...and negatively judged.
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Looking good is important, obviously, but does that call for eyelash extensions?
Do you think maybe looking professional might be more important in this situation than looking hot?
 
freemontie said:
Only ugly people believe that nobody accounts for appearance except at "da club". That's why they remain ugly...and negatively judged.
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This is way harsh. Very few people are genuinely ugly. There's a difference between the kind of every-day, dignified attractiveness that the vast majority of people naturally have vs. the levels of totally unnecessary effort that other people put into their looks, giving off that "in da club" vibe.
 
ChillDawg said:
Looking good is important, obviously, but does that call for eyelash extensions?
Do you think maybe looking professional might be more important in this situation than looking hot?
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If mutually exclusive? Sure. But what exactly is unprofessional about having nice eyelashes?
 
Cotterpin said:
This is way harsh. Very few people are genuinely ugly. There's a difference between the kind of every-day, dignified attractiveness that the vast majority of people naturally have vs. the levels of totally unnecessary effort that other people put into their looks, giving off that "in da club" vibe.
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First of all, the vast majority of people are NOT attractive lol. Second, I'm not advocating looking like a club slut. Do you believe there could be a middle ground so that one looks more attractive through effort (eyelashes, skin treatment, makeup, whatever) but without giving off that "in da club" vibe?
 
freemontie said:
First of all, the vast majority of people are NOT attractive lol. Second, I'm not advocating looking like a club slut. Do you believe there could be a middle ground so that one looks more attractive through effort (eyelashes, skin treatment, makeup, whatever) but without giving off that "in da club" vibe?
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This is all a matter of opinion. I do believe that most people are attractive. Everybody's got their certain something. And it's also a matter of opinion whether eyelash extension look good or not. I think they look unnatural and unprofessional and they give off the wrong vibe. They're just way too flashy for the occasion. Throw some mascara on and be done with it. Just like I would not advise someone to go to a med school interview in 5" Louboutins, a mini skirt, or bright red lipstick, I would not advise anyone to get eyelash extensions for this.
 
if something cosmetic makes you feel more confident, then by all means, go for it. dont let anyone tell you what to do with your own body.
 
freemontie said:
First of all, the vast majority of people are NOT attractive lol. Second, I'm not advocating looking like a club slut. Do you believe there could be a middle ground so that one looks more attractive through effort (eyelashes, skin treatment, makeup, whatever) but without giving off that "in da club" vibe?
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Vast majority not attractive? So you think that the vast majority of people in relationships are just sucking it up and having sex with someone they don't find attractive? Or are your standards just so high that you will only date greek gods, not like all these other plebs? I have never heard of someone thinking that the vast majority of the population is ugly. That just doesn't make sense.
 
partypantss said:
Vast majority not attractive? So you think that the vast majority of people in relationships are just sucking it up and having sex with someone they don't find attractive? Or are your standards just so high that you will only date greek gods, not like all these other plebs? I have never heard of someone thinking that the vast majority of the population is ugly. That just doesn't make sense.
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lets be real, when you are unattractive you have to be realistic about who you can be with. i dont necessarily think that ugly people are not attracted to their spouse, but i definitely dont think it would be their first choice if they had an opportunity to do better
 
genericpremedstudent said:
and my advice is to do it for yourself. people on here are so quick to judge. someone's vanity is hardly any of our concern.
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Unless they come on the forum and specifically ask if we think they should get all these procedures done before interviews.
 
I think attractiveness is likely a bell curve for every individual person's tastes. And since there is variation in what individual people liked it is inevitable that a majority of people are found attractive by someone and that the majority of people are found unattractive by someone.

To the OP, you want to come off as someone who is professional, confident, genuine and approachable at your interviews. If you can check off all these boxes after doing what you mentioned, then it shouldn't be a problem. Same token, if you feel like you can't without them then they could be recommended. But you're probably selling yourself short. You want to seem like someone people would trust their health with. The same reason guys shouldn't wear strong (or any) cologne or over-gel their hair would be the same reason you would want to make sure you didn't have an over-done appearance with crazy long eyelashes or whatever. If you can be a self-conscious person who worries about people staring at your face and not hearing what you say, and you know that if you don't have whatever done then you won't be able to say the things you need to say to get accepted due to your insecurities - then you should.

But remember, professional, confident, genuine, and approachable.
 
genericpremedstudent said:
ok now youre just repeating yourself. as a woman, do you feel insecure about other people's vanity?
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I repeated myself because you didn't show any signs of recognizing the difference between telling people what to do with their bodies and responding to someone's request for advice. Do I feel insecure about other people's vanity? No.
 
genericpremedstudent said:
ok now youre just repeating yourself. as a woman, do you feel insecure about other people's vanity?
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You can bet thats what it comes down to for most people. They don't want to put effort and thus ridicule anyone who does as having an "in da club" vibe.

I think many of you forget about the other group of people trying to sell adcom doctors something: pharma reps. Go be a pharma regional sales head and tell your crew about everyone being attractive and improved skin/lashes being unprofessional. smh.
 
Doctors don't like pharma reps.
 
Thats exactly what it comes down to. Other people's appearances are none of my concern. Regardless of the inquiry of advice, the appropriate response is to do what makes you feel good. If OP has a higher level of self confidence by wearing fake eyelashes and getting botox, then thats what she should absolutely do. Expressing your negative opinion about someone else's appearance just makes you look like you resent others who take the initiative to take care of themselves.
 
Cotterpin said:
Doctors don't like pharma reps.
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Yup. Those dumb multi-billion dollar pharma companies didn't do their research. They ought to have been sending out un-made up average looking (and thus not attractive) people. Clearly doctors don't like them because their enhanced hair and skin and nice skirt suits = in da club. You should be a businesswoman, you'll get far.
 
freemontie said:
Yup. Those dumb multi-billion dollar pharma companies didn't do their research. They ought to have been sending out un-made up average looking (and thus not attractive) people. Clearly doctors don't like them because their enhanced hair and skin and nice skirt suits = in da club. You should be a businesswoman, you'll get far.
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What is your glitch? This whole thing is strawman argument. Why do keep acting like I'm suggesting that nobody should wear make-up to a med school interview? I never said that. There are levels of professionalism in how you make yourself up. Since OP asked for advice, I'm advising that face-paralyzing injections and unnatural-looking fake eyelashes might not give the right impression in a med school interview. (Especially since OP's user name suggests she was born in 91 and is way too young to need botox, imo.) I wasn't the person who originally used the phrase "in da club," so I don't know why you're so mad at me about that.
 
I was avoiding this thread for a little while, but what the hey...


#1 You should look your best at interviews. Being professional when you are applying to a professional school is the standard.
#2 We understand that most college students aren't particularly well off. We are not expecting expensive suits, watches, hair cuts, etc.
#3 The expectation is nothing drastic. Yes, on average, more attractive people are hired and accepted more readily. It is an unconscious bias in our society. But, given the number of factors in this process, dwelling on the issue of looks beyond looking presentable is a complete waste of time.

Now, some specific responses.

raiderette said:
Botox makes people look odd.
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Cotterpin said:
Botox tends to give people uncomfortable-looking paralyzed faces. Like, uncanny and emotionless. That doesn't sound like something that an adcom would want to see. Especially if you're a traditional student around 21 or 22 years old.
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How many botox cases have you done or been exposed to? Yes, I know what popular press likes to make fun of. Conservatively, the number of people getting cosmetic botox is >6 million/year in the US. You have likely seen dozens of people who have had it and you had no idea. I have spent time working with Plastic surgeons doing botox as part of their practice. The concept that it is a 'bad procedure' or makes people look bad is putting way too much stock in the popular press. Can it look terrible? Yes. Absolutely. There are massive quality differences between different practitioners. Is it something to worry about? Sure. Just in the same way that you should worry about anything that isn't fool proof.

ChillDawg said:
How would eyelash extensions help? This aint da club....
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Just like botox or a boob job or anything like this, there is tremendous variability in quality and expectations. You can buy at Walgreens eyelash extensions for ~$10. Or you can go to someone and have them spend 2 hours individually attaching an eyelash extension to each of your eyelashes manually (with glue). There is a reason why the beauty industry is as big as it is. It isn't just vanity. Yes, it does help. Certainly if done poorly, it can even hurt. But, people respond to good looking people.

Cotterpin said:
Doctors don't like pharma reps.
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Cotterpin said:
Have you talked to any doctors about this or ever worked in a doctor's office?
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I'm a doctor. I like pharma reps (or in my field, device reps more commonly). Can they be pushy? Yes. Can they not know or understand everything that they should to be pushing a product? Yes. Are they around me to sell me stuff? Yes. That doesn't mean that we don't want them around. They provide quite a bit to our field by being present in our cases.
 
Cotterpin said:
What is your glitch? This whole thing is strawman argument. Why do keep acting like I'm suggesting that nobody should wear make-up to a med school interview? I never said that. There are levels of professionalism in how you make yourself up. Since OP asked for advice, I'm advising that face-paralyzing injections and unnatural-looking fake eyelashes might not give the right impression in a med school interview. (Especially since OP's user name suggests she was born in 91 and is way too young to need botox, imo.) I wasn't the person who originally used the phrase "in da club," so I don't know why you're so mad at me about that.
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What? I'm not "mad" at you. I'm just disagreeing with you since pharma reps are known to be extremely manicured people- which probably includes a level above make-up (e.g. eyelashes and botox).

That said, mimelim made me think that we might be imagining very different things. Certainly there are people who wear crazy Snooki lashes. In my mind I was picturing something more along the lines of this: http://www.bhwc-poway.com/BeforeAfter9.png
 
@bluegreen91

I am not advocating that you do any of those things. It is relatively rare for someone your age to undergo botox or other cosmetic procedures.

At the end of the day, take this home: You need to come across as professional and confident. You need to do and also NOT do whatever you need to in order to do that. Just remember that you can hurt your admission chances by fixating on this and going too far. All of this is about unconscious biases, which are miniscule compared to so many other readily identifiable aspects of this process.


ps. I am a little ashamed to know this much about this topic, but pretty much all the OB/Gyn residents at my hospital get their lashes done and we were talking about it a little while ago.
 
mimelim said:
How many botox cases have you done or been exposed to? Yes, I know what popular press likes to make fun of. Conservatively, the number of people getting cosmetic botox is >6 million/year in the US. You have likely seen dozens of people who have had it and you had no idea. I have spent time working with Plastic surgeons doing botox as part of their practice. The concept that it is a 'bad procedure' or makes people look bad is putting way too much stock in the popular press. Can it look terrible? Yes. Absolutely. There are massive quality differences between different practitioners. Is it something to worry about? Sure. Just in the same way that you should worry about anything that isn't fool proof.
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Do you think a 24 year-old needs to risk looking like their face is paralyzed?

I'm a doctor. I like pharma reps (or in my field, device reps more commonly). Can they be pushy? Yes. Can they not know or understand everything that they should to be pushing a product? Yes. Are they around me to sell me stuff? Yes. That doesn't mean that we don't want them around. They provide quite a bit to our field by being present in our cases.
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You're the first doctor who's ever told me they like pharma reps. :shrug:
 
Cotterpin said:
You're the first doctor who's ever told me they like pharma reps. :shrug:
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Is that at all surprising? You don't like friendly attractive people bringing you free food? If most doctors actively hated them then their presence would be hurting their company and they wouldn't exist.
 
freemontie said:
What? I'm not "mad" at you. I'm just disagreeing with you since pharma reps are known to be extremely manicured people- which probably includes a level above make-up (e.g. eyelashes and botox).

That said, mimelim made me think that we might be imagining very different things. Certainly there are people who wear crazy Snooki lashes. In my mind I was picturing something more along the lines of this: http://www.bhwc-poway.com/BeforeAfter9.png
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You keep insisting that anybody who disagrees with you is ugly, so I'm picking up an aggressive tone from you.

When I think about people who get fake eyelashes and botox, I am picturing things like this: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/8c/81/57/8c8157af73bdb075703456ff97379742.jpg which just seems unnecessary to me.
 
Cotterpin said:
Do you think a 24 year-old needs to risk looking like their face is paralyzed?



You're the first doctor who's ever told me they like pharma reps. :shrug:
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I don't think that you know enough about botox or this person to be telling someone whether or not they need something based on a single variable, ie their age. On average, the number of 24 year olds that 'need' botox are incredibly few. Personally, I think the whole thing is a little stupid and nobody should really 'need' it.

I'm sitting in a room with 6 other physicians right now, waiting for night float to show up. None of us dislike reps just because they are reps. First, it is a little juvenile to dislike someone solely based on their profession. Second, reps provide a massive amount of experience and expertise to us every day. The endograft that we put in this afternoon was maybe my 2nd, my attending's 4th. The rep in the room had been in hundreds, if not thousands of cases with this product.
 
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