Karol Marcinkowski University of Medical Sciences

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Out of curiousity, I clicked on one of the links at the bottom of the page, and found this site. How credible are these foreign dental schools? The biggest thing that caught my eye was this statement; "The University requires that the student have good high school or college grades." --Does this mean you can enter with just a highschool diploma?

So, do these programs easily transfer over to the US? I know it said you would need two more years of clinical work at a US school for foreign dentist.

the program for students with a high school diploma will take 7 years to complete and obtain full accreditation.

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Canadian schools are equivalent to US schools aren't they? Also, quality of education is excellent as is the price! The only problem is that it isn't all that easy to get in.
 
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Canadian schools are equivalent to US schools aren't they? Also, quality of education is excellent as is the price! The only problem is that it isn't all that easy to get in.

That's kinda the point.

You tend to go out of the country if you don't have the grades.

If you don't have the grades to get in the US schools if you're an American then you damn sure don't have any business applying to Canadian schools.
 
I found this acticle:
Turned Down for Medical School? Some Good Ones Await Offshore

RICHMOND, Ind., Jan. 14 (AScribe Newswire) -- Approximately 51,000 college seniors apply for admission to the 154 medical schools in the United States annually. But because these schools have only 17,000 available vacancies, most of those aspiring doctors will be getting disappointing news in the mail.

Nearly all those denied admission labored through four years of pre-medical studies, with majors ranging from biology to French to physics. In many cases their applications were accompanied with superior academic transcripts and high scores on the MCAT (Medical School Aptitude Test). Many submitted enthusiastic endorsements from their college professors -- letters attesting to wholesome, well-rounded lives, demonstrated leadership abilities, intellectual prowess and admirable character.

But in a highly competitive race, medical schools must deny thousands of qualified applicants simply because there isn't more room in the class.

Does this mean the passed-over must abandon their dreams of becoming doctors? Not at all, says Dr. William Harvey, professor of biology and chief health professions advisor at Earlham College. Beyond the United States' shores, he says "are a number of medical schools that accept Americans and some give excellent training - in English -- to become doctors back in the U.S." Some 6,000 Americans matriculate in foreign medical schools each year, he says, mostly because U.S. schools rejected them.

Dr. Harvey is a board member of the National Association of Advisors for the Health Professions, an organization of specialized advisors that guide undergraduates in preparation for careers in the health sciences. One of his specialties with the NAAHP board is evaluating foreign medical schools.

In recent years he has visited medical institutions in the Caribbean, Mexico, and Ireland. On January 12 he joined a team of fellow advisors on a visit to the Karol Marcinkowski University of Medical Science in Poznan, Poland. This medical school is one of Poland's oldest and largest programs. Accompanying him will be undergraduate health profession advisors from such universities as Harvard, Yale, Rice, Amherst, and the University of California at San Diego.

"The school has recently opened a medical teaching program in English," Dr. Harvey says. "We will spend a week looking them over -- interviewing faculty members and students, examining the curriculum, assessing their facilities, all the things that reveal how good or not so good they are in training doctors."

As in the case of all foreign schools evaluated, the team's report will be shared with advisor members of the NAAHP, which will consider the Polish school as an option for American students. Health career advisors in colleges across the country will use the report in determining whether to steer pre-medical students to consider applying to Karol Marcinkowski.

"One of the things that we look for is a curriculum that has been established along guidelines established by the American Association of Medical Colleges," says Dr. Harvey. "Foreign medical colleges must teach required courses in cytology, biochemistry, microbiology, immunology, histology and gross anatomy, among others -- and teach them well."

Students in foreign medical schools devote two years to those biological didactics then return to the United States to take part one of the United States Medical Licensing Board Examination. After passing step one of this exam, students typically enter hospitals in the United States or the United Kingdom, where they undergo two years of clinical training, after which they must pass step two of the Board Exam before receiving their medical degrees.

The 154 U.S. medical schools Harvey refers to include both allopathic (MD granting) and osteopathic medicine schools. Canadian medical schools enjoy the same accreditation and professional affiliation as U.S. schools and are not considered "foreign." However, Canadian schools large serve Canadian citizens.

Harvey acknowledges a certain skepticism in the American medical establishment toward offshore schooling. "Blanket suspicion was once more justified than it is today," Dr. Harvey says. "The unsatisfactory medical schools are pretty much identified and many have been eliminated, especially in the Caribbean," says Dr. Harvey. "But many foreign schools have improved over the years to the point that they train doctors as well as any U.S. school. Some, medical schools in Mexico and in Europe are outstanding".

Dr. Harvey, who is also president of the 14-state Central Association of Advisors for the Health Professions, says his organization's purpose "is to be helpful to students in the United States who want to become doctors and are qualified for medical training. So many applicants are very qualified, yet only a third of them win acceptance into an U.S. medical school."
 
The problem here is, sure you can go there but then you have to go to a school like NYU, UPenn, BU etc... that accept foregin grads and essentially re-do dental school.

You can't practice in the USA with a foreign dental degree because only USA schools have the ADA accrediation and you need that to take the licence exam.
 
Dental08?09 said:
The problem here is, sure you can go there but then you have to go to a school like NYU, UPenn, BU etc... that accept foregin grads and essentially re-do dental school.

You can't practice in the USA with a foreign dental degree because only USA schools have the ADA accrediation and you need that to take the licence exam.

Exactly, well put. Foreign schools are NOT a backdoor to practice in the US, since competition to get into dental school for foreign graduates is probably even tougher than to get into dental school initially.
 
Dental08?09 said:
The problem here is, sure you can go there but then you have to go to a school like NYU, UPenn, BU etc... that accept foregin grads and essentially re-do dental school.

You can't practice in the USA with a foreign dental degree because only USA schools have the ADA accrediation and you need that to take the licence exam.

Yes this is true. You redo the final 2 years of dental school. So you would be doing 9 total years (7+2). Your tuition would be extremely expensive as well. Here at UCLA the international students pay twice our tuition, so they actually end up paying the same amount for 2 years as we pay for 4 years. The competition is very high to get into these programs. You've got a ton of foreign dentists from all over struggling to get into the US. Some of our international students from India got over a 95 on Part I of the NBDE! That's who you'd be competing against.
 
colt said:
"The University requires that the student have good high school or college grades." --Does this mean you can enter with just a highschool diploma?

Not with a US HS diploma because it is not the same high level of education as in Europe... You'd, at least, need college education first!
 
To sum it all up:
-There are no other alternatives but to suck it up and get good grades and score well on the DAT because you basically can't be an American dentist without attending an American school.
-There are not many of us who are going to be sympathetic to someone who appears to be trying to weasel out of all the effort we have put or are putting into gaining admission to a dental school.
-Some people just don't deserve to be dentists, doctors, etc. If you don't get selected, chances are there's a good reason for it- i.e. you weren't as qualified as you think you are.
 
Okay, I'm originally Canadian, now living in the US, and I almost went to a dental school in Bulgaria. Here's the deal:

Candian and American Dental school certification is considered equivalent because the ADA nad CDA have an agreement that allows for equivalency of education. With that said, feel free to go to Canada for cheaper tuition since even though it's harder to get in for Canadians, they have lower requirements for foreigners because they pay more. They have foreign quotas to fill each year, so you can get away with a lower gpa (still above 3.0 I would say though).

Apart from Canadian schools, I would not advise you to go out of the country for dental school. If you do, you would basically have to buy your diploma since I'm assuming your grades are too low to get into North American Dental Schools, and the material is actually probably harder in most international schools. If you don't have what it takes for North American Dental Schools, you probably don't have what it takes for foreign schools either. Also, going to a foreign language University means that you will have to learn the language first (they usually enroll you for a year of pure language education before you start). Then you'll also have to pay for that 2-year program that runs @ about $100,000 when you get back.

And most of the European countries, esp. the Eastern European ones do accept you basd on your high school diploma (Chem & Bio grades) as well as based on your health. Tuition will run you from 3000 to about 6000 a year I would say.

If you have any more foreign school questions (med or dental) look me up!

Good luck.
 
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