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I think that I have narrowed down my options to KCOM or DMU. Anyone have any comparisons that they would like to share about why they chose to attend one school over the other.
I am also interested in knowing why KCOM has more class time and when those students typically study.
Thanks in advance.
 
Kent said:
I think that I have narrowed down my options to KCOM or DMU. Anyone have any comparisons that they would like to share about why they chose to attend one school over the other.
I am also interested in knowing why KCOM has more class time and when those students typically study.
Thanks in advance.

This is what I heard from the DMU students when I interviewed there. DMU has very good technology compared to KCOM. Moreover Des Moines is big city so if you are used to live in cities or like the environment of city then Des Moines is better. Students love wireless network and blackboard system of DMU. All lactures, slides, grades online and easily accessible all the time.
 
DMU and Kirksville both have strong programs. I chose DMU mainly because of the larger city and the friendly atmosphere on campus.
 
It was a hard choice. I chose DMU because of student camraderie, technology involved, up-grade in facilities (although I won't get to really use them 🙁 ), size of the city, and OMM department.
 
I interviewed at both DMU and KCOM, and between the two, I would definitely choose DMU. The schools are comparable in terms of friendliness, but Des Moines has better facilities, technology, OMM department, cheaper tuition with laptop included in the price. Kirksville has cheap rent, but Des Moines has pretty cheap rent, too. The dean of DMU was acting governor for about 17 years (he introduced himself to me-very cool guy), so the school has some good political connections as well.

I was way more impressed with DMU on interview day, and in terms of student diversity, DMU is much more diverse than KCOM, although both are pretty white bread. At DMU you have the added benefit of interacting with other student professionals. Overall, you get more for your money with DMU. They are opening up a brand new building for next years class, but their old facilities made KCOM's facilities look mediocre. KCOM is one big shrine to AT Still, also there are a lot of religious students there (with kids) and Kirksville is a small town-all these things can be good or bad depending on your preferences.

KCOM does have an awesome anatomy program, though. Their student wellness program is run entirely by volunteers, which says a lot about the faculty and students. Both DMU and KCOM provide excellent support to their students.
 
I don't think you would go wrong at either place. I've interviewed at both and thought they both had tons to offer. I go back and forth every day between the two, so I think your Forum will be helpful to me as well. At the moment, I'm leaning towards DMU. We'll see!
 
hey all...

i'm trying to choose between the two as well.

As far as technology, i think both campuses are equal pretty much, with the difference that KCOM has tons of smart boards...

one difference i did notice though was that it seemed like kcom people were nice just to recruit applicants, where as the dmu people seemed a lot more sincere.

as far the new facilities, kcom is building one as well...but it won't be completed till 06.

i'd love to hear more on this topic, this is really helpful.
 
student budget (minus tuition/fees) for AZCOM/DMU/KCOM for the 4 years


MS1 MS2 MS3 MS4
19617 19160 22203 27290(KCOM)
19307 20283 18100 24144(DMU)
20562 20562 20562 20562(AZCOM)

It seems like KCOM students have more budget on average to live well during medical school 😉
 
mzafaran said:
student budget for AZCOM/DMU/KCOM for the 4 years


MS1 MS2 MS3 MS4
19617 19160 22203 27290(KCOM)
21846 20283 18100 24144(DMU)
19985 19985 19985 19985(AZCOM)

It seems like KCOM students have more budget on average to live well during medical school 😉

Where are you getting your numbers from?
I have the information they gave me at interview day and this is what it says...
The total student budget for year 1 class of 2008 for KCOM is $52,007. (their tuition is $31,700)
For DMU class of 2008 (year 1) its $48,357 (their tuition is $29,050).

The maximum amount of combined stafford loans you can get per year (assuming you don't have any stafford loan from undergrad) is $38,900 if I'm not mistaken. That means at both schools you have to get other loans to cover your expenses.
 
i'm sorry, i should have mentioned that those numbers are for expenses (books, supplies, housing, food, insurance, transportation)..basically everything minus tuition and fees.

sorry there were some errorsss...now its fixed..azcom budget is for student living off-campus. 🙂
 
As far as the technology thing goes, here at Kirksville we have access to everything online (grades, notes, slides, etc.), smartboards, and wireless across campus. All lectures are recorded and available for download off of the portal. Most of our learning though is the old fashioned way, by locking ourselves in our houses or the library, and studying paper notes.

Concerning OMM, our department is very well respected throughout the nation based on faculty alone, and the curriculum is very intensive based both on quantity (hours/week) and content. We cover the entire Kimberly manual in one year, reinforce those concepts and apply them to impatient/outpatient during second year, and cranial is part of the basic curriculum. There is also a cranial elective available, and OMM fellowships (and anatomy fellowships as well) after third year. There is currently an OMM lab being built as part of the new technology center they broke ground on three weeks ago.

And as far as the students being nice to people just to get them to come to KCOM, the students that I met during my interview are some of my closest friends here now. And the entire school is close, not just the students. Several times we've had our meals purchased by faculty or administration in a restraunt just because they saw us there. Just yesterday after our anatomy exam, the staff and administration made a table full of cookies and brownies just to give us something to do and eat after the exam, and then we ran off to biochem. So, I'd say things are pretty genuine here at KCOM, but I'm not saying that just to get people to come here. It's either for you or it's not, specifically because of the location. You can't go wrong at either school though.

-Aaron
 
Aaron,,

Thanks so much for your post, its truly informative.

I was really impressed when I visited, not even the city was a turn off for me coming from LA down in cali. Its really hard to choose between the two, please keep the posts coming.......... 🙂
 
I am a 4th year at KCOM. One thing to check - no matter where you go - is how much help you will have scheduling your 3rd and 4th clinical years. KCOM hooks you up big time, but I've heard that some schools just expect you to make your own contacts and find your own rotations. I don't know if DMU is one of those places, though. Just be sure you look into that. It may sound awesome to get to go where you want and rotate with whom you want - but a lot of rotations require applications that they only look at AFTER their own institutions's students have been placed (not to mention fees to just apply!). I would be good in other ways, however. Anyway, it was nice to just KNOW where I was going to be for 3rd year and we received a printout of the entire year's schedule, including preceptor. It was all arranged for us. Fourth year is more flexable, of course and you can set up as many rotations on your own as you want. However, to complete your core requirements - there is always your regional dean/DME/whomever that can just schedule them for you. Best of luck.

One word of advice - no matter where you choose to go - research the community well...very well. There's nothing worse than hearing my classmates who came from colorado, california, and other big places complain the entire 2 years I had to spend with them. (I can't believe they don't have sushi in Kirksville! - Yeah, I actually heard that!) :laugh:
 
They don't have sushi in Kirksville! Really ???
 
Same tech.--(portal, grades, blackboard, wireless campus; but they include the laptops and the PDAs--as well as the service department to cover maintenance and repair).

DMU fully sets up your rotations for you, except your fourth year has more leeway (which is to your benefit of going where you want to go). Also, DMU has more spots within the Des Moines area for rotations than Kirksvilee had for its hospital. It's kind of nice knowing that if you don't want to move your third year that you have this option.

Des Moines does have sushi (which was the reason that I chose DMU (JK)).
 
Plus more family friendly (i.e. more schools, more jobs, more colleges for your spouse or kids).
 
babyruth said:
Des Moines does have sushi (which was the reason that I chose DMU (JK)).

Yeah actually I stayed the night of my interview at Des Moines just to see the city. Just walked around at night, they have nice restaurants and bars.
 
I don't know, but sushi is too good to go without for at least 2 years...
 
Sushi! Yoooomiieeee! 😀

My son is studying Japanese right now and we've become HOOKED on sushi...

Hey... I wonder if high schools out in Des Moines offer Japanese as a FL?
 
sushi is great..but then again you can make it yourself so you won't miss out 😀

I guess when it really comes down between the two schools, the two are equal in nearly every aspect. It seems to me from the calendars that DMU students have more time to themselves, whereas the only vacation that seems to be more than a week at KCOM merely comes after second year (please correct me if i'm wrong).

I guess there's no way of direct comparison of the clinical rotations. I did notice though that students at KCOM for 04-05 rotate at only about 20 or so hospitals (i saw it somewhere on their website)...i wonder why that is when they have listed more hospitals on their website....but regardless, both schools claim affiliatiation with about the same number of hospitals...i assume the same quality perhaps as well.

DMU students seem to have a little bit more time studying for the boards. Does anyone know when exactly are the board review courses offered at DMU and KCOM? I know the class votes as a whole as far as which course to take.
 
mzafaran said:
DMU students seem to have a little bit more time studying for the boards. Does anyone know when exactly are the board review courses offered at DMU and KCOM? I know the class votes as a whole as far as which course to take.

It never as good when you make sushi your self. Class votes as a whole, pick one board review company, (in our case we went with Youel's prep and kaplan Q bank) when you start is between the class and the board prep company.
 
It varies per year on the amount of board prep. Last year they had a solid three weeks, this year we have only around two and a half. Next year, who knows... The more I am studying for boards, the less I begin to think that we need a whole lot of time. You should be studying throughout your whole 2nd year, and your classes should prepare you enough too. I just need polishing on biochem and anatomy, maybe some genetics and stats (since I'm probably thinking about taking the USMLE too.) Other schools have lots of board time, but when we asked our dean why we don't as much time as some other schools, he stated that the courses should prepare you and we are trying to gear you to be good physician's not good test takers.

Again, I liked KCOM, just not the place or the things I listed before. In fact I do think their anatomy is probably better than ours, but our OMM can't be compared and we have a lot of DO clinicians that teach our second year which is really cool.
 
Docgeorge said:
It never as good when you make sushi your self. Class votes as a whole, pick one board review company, (in our case we went with Youel's prep and kaplan Q bank) when you start is between the class and the board prep company.


I heard Youel's prep is not so good...did you guys have to pay to get other review courses like kaplan? What do you think about Youel's??
 
We had all Kaplan, Northwestern, and Youel come to make proposal's for our class' bid. Youel was voted in because he did the best and worked well with our class culture. We'll have to see if he lives up to his promises. Kaplan was used last year with mixed reviews (they have terrible customer service and did some underhand things to try to sell our class). Our class wanted a more focused review, and Kaplan is not like that. Northwestern was big on showy stuff and alternative learning, but got a little annoying after awhile. The only thing I'm worried about is having only one person do the review. We also are having some professors give their own reviews about certain topics.
 
one more question guys...

how do the clinical rotations compare between the two schools as far the setup and so forth...is it true that clinicals at DMU are disorganized and poorly setup?
 
mzafaran said:
is it true that clinicals at DMU are disorganized and poorly setup?

Where did you learn that ?
 
That is completely not true. We have an awesome 3rd year coordinator. The school does everything for you and helps you facilitate everything. In fact just this year, we obtained three more regions of the country for rotation sites. I've posted on this before, you might do a search.
 
double elle said:
I am a 4th year at KCOM. One thing to check - no matter where you go - is how much help you will have scheduling your 3rd and 4th clinical years. KCOM hooks you up big time, but I've heard that some schools just expect you to make your own contacts and find your own rotations. I don't know if DMU is one of those places, though. Just be sure you look into that. It may sound awesome to get to go where you want and rotate with whom you want - but a lot of rotations require applications that they only look at AFTER their own institutions's students have been placed (not to mention fees to just apply!). I would be good in other ways, however. Anyway, it was nice to just KNOW where I was going to be for 3rd year and we received a printout of the entire year's schedule, including preceptor. It was all arranged for us. Fourth year is more flexable, of course and you can set up as many rotations on your own as you want. However, to complete your core requirements - there is always your regional dean/DME/whomever that can just schedule them for you. Best of luck.

One word of advice - no matter where you choose to go - research the community well...very well. There's nothing worse than hearing my classmates who came from colorado, california, and other big places complain the entire 2 years I had to spend with them. (I can't believe they don't have sushi in Kirksville! - Yeah, I actually heard that!) :laugh:

yeah...I'm going to have to second my colleagues point here. I'm a KCOM 3rd year down in Florida. There are some DMU students who rotate through here, and from what I understand, it's up to them to scrounge for 3rd and 4th year rotations - whereever and whenever they can get them. In talking with some of them, this seems to be a huge downer.
 
VALSALVA said:
yeah...I'm going to have to second my colleagues point here. I'm a KCOM 3rd year down in Florida. There are some DMU students who rotate through here, and from what I understand, it's up to them to scrounge for 3rd and 4th year rotations - whereever and whenever they can get them. In talking with some of them, this seems to be a huge downer.


woah..there are so many mixed reviews on this board..i don't even know what to think anymore 🙁
 
Why dont you just call the school up and ask. But I do have to say that I find what Valsalva says hard to believe. Per the Clinical Affairs Dean, they dont want us to set anything up ourselves. If we want to do a rotation somplace we call our clinical coordinator and tell them where we want to do a rotation and in what and they will set it up for us.
 
Docgeorge said:
Why dont you just call the school up and ask. But I do have to say that I find what Valsalva says hard to believe. Per the Clinical Affairs Dean, they dont want us to set anything up ourselves. If we want to do a rotation somplace we call our clinical coordinator and tell them where we want to do a rotation and in what and they will set it up for us.


i don't think its the matter of what the school tells you, but what students' experiences have been--as we all have had experiences with schools not living up to their promises. I've been impressed overall by DMU---its just a few not-so good feedbacks that make me think twice about my decision.
 
I am a third year student at KCOM and just wanted to say that KCOM has been a great choice for me! I am living in Phoenix now, doing my third year rotations, all of which have been set up for me at a variety of hospitals to maximize our exposure to each specialty. I have always enjoyed going to conferences and talking about how great my apartment is to friends at different DO schools who are living out of suitcases at various hotels. By the way, my apartment is nice since I saved so much money paying less that $300 per month rent for my first two years! For you sushi freaks, we had many great nights driving to a nearby larger city to go out for sushi and dancing...
 
jessij11 said:
I am a third year student at KCOM and just wanted to say that KCOM has been a great choice for me! I am living in Phoenix now, doing my third year rotations, all of which have been set up for me at a variety of hospitals to maximize our exposure to each specialty. I have always enjoyed going to conferences and talking about how great my apartment is to friends at different DO schools who are living out of suitcases at various hotels. By the way, my apartment is nice since I saved so much money paying less that $300 per month rent for my first two years! For you sushi freaks, we had many great nights driving to a nearby larger city to go out for sushi and dancing...


hey..that's great. the only things that cautions me about KCOM is the heavy heavy class time...I mean it just seems ridiculous to me that they keep you in school that long. For example you guys only have a week off before and after your first year's summer quarter...and there you go off to second year. I just can't understand what is it that KCOM covers that schools like DMU and AZCOM don't? Are they keeping students in class more to live up to their osteopathy reputation or is there something that other schools are not teaching their students??
 
I think that our florida site is small and is hard to compete with all of the medical schools in FL to get rotations. We only have 12 slots in FL. I think the problem is trying to find a spot so you don't have to move within that region. NOVA would have better contacts down there, whereas we have more contacts in the midwest.
 
I too had narrowed my choices down to these two schools, and chose DMU.

- While both schools have modern technology, DMU seems to have more and its use is central to the curriculum there. It seems to be more of an afterthought at KCOM.

- Facilities: KCOM's facilities appeared to be significantly older and more limited than DMU's. DMU's campus & new building is a thing of beauty that Carver @ the Univ of Iowa should envy.

- Social opportunities: Kirksville is a small missouri town and while married students really wouldn't lose much by spending two years in this environment, the social and recreational opportunities for single students would be limited.

- Housing: new, clean, modern apartments are widely available in Des Moines and its suburbs. This is less true of Kirksville.

- Schedule: All my academic work has been done on the semester system and I'm more comfortable with that than a quarter system.

- Rotations: many of KCOM's rotations are in places I really don't like (Florida, Pennsylvania, Saint Louis, etc). Utah would be nice, but DMU's rotations are geographically much more desirable for me.

I sent in my deposit this week. See you all in August!
 
Thanks for your detailed post...as for me, i'm still undecided... 🙁

Good luck...may be i'll see ya next year at DMU
 
mzafaran said:
i don't think its the matter of what the school tells you, but what students' experiences have been--as we all have had experiences with schools not living up to their promises. I've been impressed overall by DMU---its just a few not-so good feedbacks that make me think twice about my decision.


My philosophy is that when in doubt about something is that it's better to get information from people who have first hand experience with what's going on, both the good and the bad and give the most weight their statements. Next consider the statements by people who have no direct experience, but only secondhand accounts about the issiue in question. Finally give the least creadence to people who's information source is twice removed (ie heard it from a friend of a friend).

Good luck with your decicion, you really can't go wrong with either choice. I've been to K'ville, I liked the students I met and the schools facitlites were decent. The only draw back for me was that the town totally sucked, it's a 2 hour drive to get to a city of decent size if you need to get away form there.

In the grand scheme of things neither school will give a rats ass where you go. The only thing that I can say is that go to the place that you felt most comfortable at. It's long hard two years in the basic sciences and you dont want to be stuck someplace where you are not going to be happy.
 
As a first year who just survived her first set of finals at KCOM, I just wanted to share some tidbits of my experience so far. =)

KCOM:
- The academics, I feel, are a good foundation for me as I prepare for the boards. The large volume of lecture time in class might be a drag for independent learners, but it helps me a lot because I can see/hear the material, then take it upon myself to review and master the material. Our professors have an open-door policy and are very approachable.
- I don't know if all schools have their professors hand out note packets in the beginning of class, but ours do, and it sure helps, along with my in-class notes that I take from what the professor actually says. We have a cooperative setup where we take turns recording the lectures so we have access to it online at a later date. A concern about having the lecture notes in a document format (so we can download it and manipulate it during lecture) online has been addressed by our academic dean, and as far as I know, they're working on it.
- OTM professors are ridiculously GREAT and are awesome teachers/instructors/mentors. They are always very helpful during lab and are all-around nice people. Granted, there are some weeks where it seems that we have 234,346,345,128,465 hours of OTM, but being the founding school of osteopathy, what can you expect? Even still though, I don't feel like I'm being pounded repeatedly about how great osteopathy is. I learned the methods, I've appreciated it, I know how I can use it and how, to me, it's a great tool.
- Anatomy lab facilities are, in my opinion, great. You only notice the smell during the first 10 seconds you're in the room. Our lab is on the top floor of one of our buildings and has a view of town -- it doesn't seem as spooky as dungeon/basement labs as some schools have. The lab is open everyday from 7am-midnight -- you can clean out fascia and pick fat to your heart's desire! (Hours are the same for our micro/histo lab.) Our professors, tough as they are, only want us to master the material, so they can be quite demanding at times. The fellows (older med students who are hard-core anatomy buffs) provide a lower student:instructor ratio during labs and make themselves available, similar (even moreso) to how teaching assistants are during undergrad.
- We can study on-campus 24-7 (yes, indoors, in a room). Enough said.
- The SmartBoards are just toys for now, but it helps out a lot with studying in groups and showing images/diagrams. They're quite nifty and it's great to know that we can just use them whenever we want to.
- We are taught OTM techniques pertinent to the body parts we are learning about in anatomy, so those connections happen between classes, which helps with retaining information.
- Getting clinical/patient experience within the first year...if you want to get your hands dirty already, it's here.
- Staff and faculty are sincerely here for you. One often runs into any one of our deans, professors, or every so often, our university's president, at the Commons (lunchtime, downtime, etc). Staff members in the auxillary offices (student affairs, financial aid, departmental offices, learning resources, etc) are always helpful and take initiative on making your medical education the best it can be, whether it's acadmically, financially, or physically. Coming from a huge public institution to KCOM was quite an adjustment, especially since professors know your face and name. You're not just Student X.
- The second years have been nothing but friendly and helpful. They empathized with us, encouraged us, reassured us. I have much respect for the second years at our school.

KCOM at "play":
- There are a variety of student-run clubs available, but they're definitely not like the clubs you joined during undergrad. These organizations are more laid-back, since everyone has other commitments outside of studying as well.
- The school is very family-friendly. I love seeing the kiddies visit their moms and dads during lunch. The community is also supportive by hosting "Parents' Night Out" on weekend nights so mom and dad can go out without worrying about the kids.
- Like Aaron pointed out earlier, we had the awesome dessert feast after an anatomy test, put on by staff/faculty members. During finals week, they had fruit for us out in the commons.
- The StillWell Program allows students to establish their way of maintaining balance of Mind-Body-Spirit. After all, we are our first patients. Our Counseling Office (Psych/Emotional) also puts on stress-relief activities such as 15-minute relax and meditate sessions.
- VACATIONS: We have FIVE weeks of summer break. Two weeks before OR two weeks after our summer break, we have a 2-week preceptorship. The end of July/start of August becomes the beginning of the last quarter of our first year.

Kirksville, the town:
- Everything you NEED is here, everything you WANT is online. I grew up and went to school in Southern California -- and I am content with what Kirksville has offered so far. I just need groceries, supplies, and movies every so often.
- Right, no sushi, no ethnic supermarkets, no organic food markets...but you learn to live with it. That, and you can go to Columbia and get your fix once in a while. Personally, I really haven't had the time to drive down -- I'd rather sleep. =) However, when I go home for Thanksgiving break, I'm going to throw down and get myself some sushi and dimsum and In-N-Out burger! Surprisingly, I haven't been homesick so much.
- NO TRAFFIC. Med school's stressful enough.
- Small town = No distractions = No drama
- I have appreciated what I've seen of Kirksville so far. The hokey commercials, the old men driving lawnmowers on the street outweigh the niceness of the local community.

I was at first hestitant to come to KCOM, but I really like the fact that I'm only here for two years, getting a solid education, at the same time, I'm exposed to a different lifestyle and pace of living. This experience so far has taught me what really is important to me and what I want out of myself and my future, and sometimes that can be hard if you're within your comfort zone.

Hopefully this mini-manifesto/testament helps someone out there with why KCOM was right for me, at least. Best of luck to all of the applicants out there, and don't be shy to say hi to any of us when you come out for an interview.

-Nan
 
Thanks Nan...

I read every word of it with great interest....its amazing how I haven't heard one negative thing about KCOM itself (other than the stuff that I made up myself)

Thanks again..i appreciate all the time you put into this.
 
This is a double-whammy reply message. I like being efficient.

mzfaran,

You are most welcome. I'm glad you got something out of my mini-novella. =) Have a great holiday season!

- Nan

Runtita,

Hullo there...what's it like to go from tropical weather to all this snow? =) See ya in class, have a great weekend!

-Nan
 
NewRawTick said:
- I have appreciated what I've seen of Kirksville so far. The hokey commercials, the old men driving lawnmowers on the street outweigh the niceness of the local community.

HA!! I remember all those hokey commercials! "ChChChCheckinto Cash" and "IceHouse" commercials immediately come to mind.

Thanks for the reminder.

Val
 
i'm a second year here at KCOM. i had the same choice (after eliminating some others) that you have. i chose KCOM for a lot of reasons.

1. it's the founding school.
2. basically all of our profs write for the boards so our coursework is geared toward success there.
3. we have (historically) the highest board pass rates for the COMLEX and the USMLE of any of the DO schools. i haven't seen the stats for last year, but the year before 1 person out of 140-something didn't pass on the first attempt. it's amazing.
4. the town is actually pretty cool. there is a definite sense of community here and a lot of cool things (farmer's market, craft fair, parades, etc.) that embody the small town atmosphere. (and it's small enough that there aren't a lot of distractions)
5. there is a national reputation among DOs and MDs for KCOM that other schools don't have. i'm from alabama (which only has a handful of active DOs statewide) and when i was trying to make my decision the MDs that i am friends with and worked with in the clinic and hospital all knew what KCOM was and about it's reputation, but none of them had ever heard of DMU. for me that was the clincher. i know that some of my classmates had similar experiences. one of my friends was working with an MD who was very anti-DO and when she said she was coming here, he said something to the effect of "Good. That's the good school." so the reputation extends beyond the DO world which is of very real benefit.
6. when i interviewed here, it felt like i was part of a community here and as i progressed through last year, i realized that my classmates really are, basically, family. it seems like everyone here bends over backwards to make sure that not only do they do well, but everyone around them does well too. we share study aids that we make and the school pays for peer tutors for people who need it. it's really amazing here.
7. like nan said, no traffic!!

both are good schools, and really, it's your education. so it's up to you how much you get out of it. also, DMU charges you for that laptop and PDA that you get... it's built into the cost of tuition. it's going to cost you 4x the amount by the time you pay it back as part of your loan... work this summer and by your own with cash if you come to kirksville... it's much cheaper!

there's my pro-KCOM post. i feel like i should do back handsprings or jump up in the air with pom-poms now or something... i'm not usually this positive about anything, so back to pathology!

ps- our board review this year is kaplan and the school paid for it.
 
Our school also pays for our board review and we now decided upon Kaplan as our final choice. Dr. Youel turned out to be kind of a joke so we decided not to go with him.

The lap top is part of your tuition, but you get free maintenance, repair, and upgrades (we just got upgrade for more storage space), plus you have access to the wireless internet from both the laptop and the handheld, with an upgrade on the handheld (meaning a new one) before third year. Our campus is pretty much technology permeated; we have lecture video streaming, campus website and Blackboard, and a program for note collection online. For those independent studiers out there, this is a dream; for others that attend class, its nice to have abck-up in case you missed something or get someone else's notes to elaborate on a point.

Plus, we have summer breaks.
 
I have interviewed and been accepted at both KCOM and DMU, like many others. I have decided that KCOM is right for me because KCOM went the extra mile for me and called my wife to tell her about the town, community, and the life of a student's spouse. After that happened, KCOM came to give a presentation to the pre-med students at Utah State University (where I attend) after which the presenter took me, my wife, five local DO alumni and their families, and two current students doing rotations here out to dinner. During this dinner they were all so friendly with each other and with us, who they had just met, that it was impossible to not want to belong to this community. Last, and somewhat less important, my father who is an MD (UT-Southwestern grad) has said that the physicians that he works with from Kirksville are top notch, and that the school is well respected among himself and his colleagues (spelling?). I know that I would do well at either of the schools, but Kirksville really reached out to me and my wife, more than any other school has.
 
babyruth said:
Plus, we have summer breaks.

What's this about no summer breaks at KCOM? Did they change the calendar without telling us?

We have 7 weeks between summer and fall quarters- and we spend either the first two OR the last two of those weeks on a preceptorship, so we have 5 weeks of vacation.
 
Runtita said:
What's this about no summer breaks at KCOM? Did they change the calendar without telling us?

We have 7 weeks between summer and fall quarters- and we spend either the first two OR the last two of those weeks on a preceptorship, so we have 5 weeks of vacation.

First of all, let me say thanks for posting here. To respond to your question, I don't think anyone meant that there are no breaks at KCOM, but when you consider 3 months of summer break at AZCOM and about 2 months of break at DMU, 5 week break at KCOM seems like a joke. After all from what I understand, KCOM only gives a week off between your semesters as well. As I had posted earlier, I was really curious about why KCOM students spend so much more time in school than others. What is KCOM doing different? I think both schools are great...but at the end I have chosen DMU..because I have really flet that "extra mile of going out of their way"...eventhough I haven't even sent in my deposit yet...and I am not even their student yet. For example, after my acceptance letter, I received couple handwritten notes and some emails from my interviewers, each congraduating me and stuff...in addition, DMU also had one of their graduates (now director of peds at UCLA medical center) contact me if I had any questions...without me even asking. I guess its the little stuff that makes a difference.
 
Like I said, both were awesome when I applied. Pick the one that you feel the most comfortable with. DMU really made me feel at home, as some other students from both schools have already mentioned.
 
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