Kicked out of medical school. Need Advice

[Dwade06]

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Hello,
I was kicked out of medical school because of some personal issues. The school wouldn't let me repeat the year. I am thinking about going into podiatry. Would podiatry schools find out that I was expelled?

 

[deleted480308]

Hello,
I was kicked out of medical school because of some personal issues. The school wouldn't let me repeat the year. I am thinking about going into podiatry. Would podiatry schools find out that I was expelled?

I don’t know......but have you resolved the issues and can you be sure they don’t repeat

 

[Goro]

Hello,
I was kicked out of medical school because of some personal issues. The school wouldn't let me repeat the year. I am thinking about going into podiatry. Would podiatry schools find out that I was expelled?

I imagine that like other professional schools, they'll ask for your transcripts, and check them against the national clearing house for these things.

 

[QueenJames]

Consider going RN (pays well by itself if you want to just consider that) to NP (can do it online while still working full time as an RN) , I bet it shouldnt take too long since you already have a bachelors. You will probably find the coursework pretty easy too if you were smart enough to get into med school.

NP is a great job and whether we like it or not they are having a stronger foothold in all fields, especially primary care. Shoot you can even work urgent care, make bank, your patients will give you just as much respect as a doctor. Podiatry is 4 years of school + 3 year residency just to like work with feet, not fun if you ask most people.

Dont let medicine define you as a person, at the end of the day its just a job, theres more to life then medicine contrary to SDN belief. Also dont care what people think, dont be a doctor in order to gain peoples respect, people really dont care whether youre a doctor or not, just do you, focus on yourself and be happy without caring what people say about you or your career. Despite whatever challenges you are facing youre still an awesome person, dont let this setback put you down. Things happen for a reason, I bet in 20 years youll look back and be glad things worked out the way they did.

All the best friend, reach out if you need advice or help.

Uh. No.

Being a PHYSICIAN is still "respected".

They will never replace a physician ... even if ALL you are doing is primary care in hicksville somewhere.

And yes.

People DO CARE.

I just started rotations and I was certainly surprised by how many people always ask for "THEIR DOCTOR" when they are being seen and will make a fuss at the front desk... AS THEY SHOULD.

Not the PA.

Not the NP.

The PHYSICIAN.

Whether you like it or not... being a doctor is still something of worth in society.

I'm all for the "chill lifestyle...don't care about what other people think.. do you" attitude but you are smoking too much of that good stuff.

 

[Mass Effect]

Uh. No.

Being a PHYSICIAN is still "respected".

They will never replace a physician ... even if ALL you are doing is primary care in hicksville somewhere.

And yes.

People DO CARE.

I just started rotations and I was certainly surprised by how many people always ask for "THEIR DOCTOR" when they are being seen and will make a fuss at the front desk... AS THEY SHOULD.

Not the PA.

Not the NP.

The PHYSICIAN.

Whether you like it or not... being a doctor is still something of worth in society.

I'm all for the "chill lifestyle...don't care about what other people think.. do you" attitude but you are smoking too much of that good stuff.

Please get over it. I don't think midlevels should have autonomy, but there are more than enough patients to fill up all our schedules.

 

[BorntobeDO?]

Hello,
I was kicked out of medical school because of some personal issues. The school wouldn't let me repeat the year. I am thinking about going into podiatry. Would podiatry schools find out that I was expelled?

Order a transcript, send it to yourself or parents (official transcript) and find out. Then move forward from there. Also your school might not be in the clearinghouse. They have a list on their website, and many smaller schools (like stand alone DO's) aren't on it.

 

[de Ribas]

Hello,
I was kicked out of medical school because of some personal issues. The school wouldn't let me repeat the year. I am thinking about going into podiatry. Would podiatry schools find out that I was expelled?

Have your personal issues been resolved?

 

[Goro]

Order a transcript, send it to yourself or parents (official transcript) and find out. Then move forward from there. Also your school might not be in the clearinghouse. They have a list on their website, and many smaller schools (like stand alone DO's) aren't on it.

In a profession that values honesty, you're recommending the OP to be dishonest?

 

[BorntobeDO?]

In a profession that values honesty, you're recommending the OP to be dishonest?

When did I suggest being dishonest? Simply pointing out a fact is not a suggestion.

But since you went down that rabbit hole, I would point out that if 'withholding information' makes someone dishonest than DO schools are some of the more dishonest organizations around. Just try and get a match rate out of half of them or an actual attrition rate. In fact, most DO schools go well beyond that and claim they are 'above average' during interviews in many metrics when they are not. There is no ground to stand on there.

But let me be clear for those who want to read into a statement: I am not suggesting that anyone try and actively deceive a school. But I am pointing out that not all schools participate in the National clearing house. Its is not the boogeyman some people try to make it out as. Google and Facebook surely know more about your school than the clearinghouse does.

 

[GypsyHummus]

If you had the stats to get into MD or DO school, more than likely DPM schools will take a look at your application, assuming the MCAT is still valid. I would wager you could prolly get into a decent amount too, maybe not the smaller schools that are more picky. This is assuming that you disclose your dismissal from med school.

Podiatrists are still doctors, and in many states, legally "physicians" for whatever that is worth. They practice with autonomy and can do surgery of the foot and ankle. If you still have dreams of becoming a "doctor" white coat and all, this is a pathway to that dream, but its not sunshine and rainbows (you will be limited to below the knee in many states), and there are monetary and mental costs to traveling down that road.

Plus, DPMs always have to worry about people on SDN not understanding their training. Even though the training is something like 80% similar to that of DOs.

I would be hesitant to apply to DPM schools if your personal issue has not been resolved. DPM school is very similar to MD/DO work-wise, and three schools take the same classes as their DO counterparts. Its a long (7 year) road to travel for someone, especially if your heart if not in it.

Do you have intrest in pharmacy or Optometry? Those would be quicker avenues (4 years).

 

[DO2015CA]

When did I suggest being dishonest? Simply pointing out a fact is not a suggestion.

But since you went down that rabbit hole, I would point out that if 'withholding information' makes someone dishonest than DO schools are some of the more dishonest organizations around. Just try and get a match rate out of half of them or an actual attrition rate. In fact, most DO schools go well beyond that and claim they are 'above average' during interviews in many metrics when they are not. There is no ground to stand on there.

But let me be clear for those who want to read into a statement: I am not suggesting that anyone try and actively deceive a school. But I am pointing out that not all schools participate in the National clearing house. Its is not the boogeyman some people try to make it out as. Google and Facebook surely know more about your school than the clearinghouse does.

Mic drop.

 

[Mad Jack]

Hello,
I was kicked out of medical school because of some personal issues. The school wouldn't let me repeat the year. I am thinking about going into podiatry. Would podiatry schools find out that I was expelled?

Very likely yes. There is a central database of every school you have ever attended and applied for financial aid at

 

[BorntobeDO?]

Very likely yes. There is a central database of every school you have ever attended and applied for financial aid at

True the Finacial aid dept can see any school you applied for federal financial aid from.

 

[workaholic181]

I wouldn’t try to lie to DPM programs OP. If you left your DO school for a personal issue that you can now claim was resolved through treatment or something of that nature then I don’t think your dismissal will completely close that door for you.

 

[sab3156]

True the Finacial aid dept can see any school you applied for federal financial aid from.

But is this true even if you do not apply for federal loans? What if you get a private loan, theoretically?

 

[ortnakas]

It might be worth asking if your school would let you voluntarily withdraw. Podiatry schools would see any course failures and subsequently ask questions, but it would have less of a chance of landing you in the “don’t even consider” file box. Of course, if the personal issues led to academic dishonesty or something, this won’t fly, but it it’s for academic reasons it’s worth a (long) shot.

 

[MOOSEygoosey]

even if ALL you are doing is primary care in hicksville somewhere.

Just wanted to say that my hometown is literally called Hicksville...Hicksville, NY, look it up. We were founded by Mr. Hicks who actually founded the Long Island Railroad so people can commute to NYC...a lot of physicians would be pretty happy to live there (I know you were just kidding btw lol) 🙂



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[QueenJames]

Just wanted to say that my hometown is literally called Hicksville...Hicksville, NY, look it up. We were founded by Mr. Hicks who actually founded the Long Island Railroad so people can commute to NYC...a lot of physicians would be pretty happy to live there (I know you were just kidding btw lol) 🙂



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LMAO..

No way.

I'm sure Hicksville is a beautiful place indeed and after looking it up... I'm from the west coast equivalent of Hicksville.... so I personally would LOVE to end up in a similar location.

LOL

Good find!

 

[Robin-jay]

Hello,
I was kicked out of medical school because of some personal issues. The school wouldn't let me repeat the year. I am thinking about going into podiatry. Would podiatry schools find out that I was expelled?

Podiatry school is pretty much a sub-set of medical schools.

Easier to get in to, does not mean easiest to graduate from.

DPM = 4 years of medical school, 3-4 years of residency (60-100 hour work weeks), and physician level practice.

Resolve issues before applying. I suspect its still a uphill battle to get accepted to DPM.

Also, you are 99% likely to have to report dropping out of medical to podiatry schools.

Good luck.

 

[MOOSEygoosey]

LMAO..

No way.

I'm sure Hicksville is a beautiful place indeed and after looking it up... I'm from the west coast equivalent of Hicksville.... so I personally would LOVE to end up in a similar location.

LOL

Good find!

Hahaha grew up there and lived there most of my life

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[Goro]

Hahaha grew up there and lived there most of my life

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Would ride through it every day on the LIRR before I went to grad school! Lived not too far away from it.

 

[redfish955]

I would take a year off from everything school. Get a job. Seek help to correct your problems and document it. Explore all alternate career paths. The median salary for podiatry is 120k a year and they are 200k in debt at graduation. This puts them on par with any white collar 50k in debt earning 85k a year. There are a ton of people who go to school for engineering, cs, and ect. who graduate 150k in debt. After a year of seeking help repeal their decision and show them that you have taken steps to correct your problems. Apply to your backup plan and live your life. A lot of grad schools will put together like a 3 year plan to get any masters you want even if you have only had cal A. You could literally be in a dream stem job of your choice in 3 years if medicine will not accept you back. Most fortune 500 companies will have job descriptions of the roles they are hiring for which makes it easy to pick one out and streamline your resume to get that job.

 

[GypsyHummus]

That 120k number also includes resident salaries at 50k/year. The average is closer to 130-150k for an associate pod, especially after a few years out. (80% of the jobs out there). Prolly around 100k take home.

Multispecilty groups and hospital jobs are at 200-300k (top 20% of jobs out there)

Ortho and top Pods (many years in practice and very efficient) is 400k+ (top 5% Jobs).

I would take a year off from everything school. Get a job. Seek help to correct your problems and document it. Explore all alternate career paths. The median salary for podiatry is 120k a year and they are 200k in debt at graduation. This puts them on par with any white collar 50k in debt earning 85k a year. There are a ton of people who go to school for engineering, cs, and ect. who graduate 150k in debt. After a year of seeking help repeal their decision and show them that you have taken steps to correct your problems. Apply to your backup plan and live your life. A lot of grad schools will put together like a 3 year plan to get any masters you want even if you have only had cal A. You could literally be in a dream stem job of your choice in 3 years if medicine will not accept you back. Most fortune 500 companies will have job descriptions of the roles they are hiring for which makes it easy to pick one out and streamline your resume to get that job.

 

[redfish955]

That 120k number also includes resident salaries at 50k/year. The average is closer to 130-150k for an associate pod, especially after a few years out. (80% of the jobs out there). Prolly around 100k take home.

Multispecilty groups and hospital jobs are at 200-300k (top 20% of jobs out there)

Ortho and top Pods (many years in practice and very efficient) is 400k+ (top 5% Jobs).

My point was that he shouldnt do it for the money because there are other prestigious options and many other people live a good life in a similar financial situation.
A master's in engineering should get you 105 with insurance, 401k match, and ect. 6 years out. 125 twelve years out. Most companies bottle neck at director so going from that 125 is much more difficult. By the time the pod finishes residency with 200k in debt the engineer should have 140k in his 401k and be debt free. Now, if he gets a gig from Snapchat earning 125 out of school with 500k in stock options that's a whole nother story. Yes, that is the typical type of offer many of these Stanford Cs majors get. We won't even mention doing mit math and landing on Wall Street.

 

[GypsyHummus]

I disagree. Most engineers I know make around the 55-80k gross mark unless they go into upper management, then they start to see the 120k+ salaries.

I also know very few CPAs making more than 100k/year. One that I knew from my class made 50kish his first year out.

People have been saying IT is good return on investment.

My point was that he shouldnt do it for the money because there are other prestigious options and many other people live a good life in a similar financial situation.
A master's in engineering should get you 105 with insurance, 401k match, and ect. 6 years out. 125 twelve years out. Most companies bottle neck at director so going from that 125 is much more difficult. By the time the pod finishes residency with 200k in debt the engineer should have 140k in his 401k and be debt free. Now, if he gets a gig from Snapchat earning 125 out of school with 500k in stock options that's a whole nother story. Yes, that is the typical type of offer many of these Stanford Cs majors get. We won't even mention doing mit math and landing on Wall Street.

 

[redfish955]

I disagree. Most engineers I know make around the 55-80k gross mark unless they go into upper management, then they start to see the 120k+ salaries.

I also know very few CPAs making more than 100k/year. One that I knew from my class made 50kish his first year out.

People have been saying IT is good return on investment.

The Most Coveted Employers For Engineering Students

Pick out a job at one of these companies and go get it. Glassdoor.com is a great resource. Some of the companies are harder to get into than others. Pretty much any fortune 500 company with engineering roles will provide a great income and job stability.

 

[BorntobeDO?]

But is this true even if you do not apply for federal loans? What if you get a private loan, theoretically?

If you never apply for financial aid, then financial aid shouldn't pull your history. They would have no reason too. So theoretically, yes I think this would work. Private loans still want info from your school tho like COA etc. That allows a lot of interaction and scenarios, its a lot of variables if your goal is to hide. Cash works much better, just ask the CIA 🙂

 

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Hello,
I was kicked out of medical school because of some personal issues. The school wouldn't let me repeat the year. I am thinking about going into podiatry. Would podiatry schools find out that I was expelled?

Even if they do find out, almost everyone gets accepted to a podiatry school as long as they are fine going to any of the 9

 

[GypsyHummus]

Yeah, I remember talking to someone who failed out of Carribean who ended up at one of the larger schools. Seems like a sweet deal for people who fell for island fever.

Even if they do find out, almost everyone gets accepted to a podiatry school as long as they are fine going to any of the 9

 

[nowaysanjose]

Please get over it. I don't think midlevels should have autonomy, but there are more than enough patients to fill up all our schedules.

You need to get your head out of the sand if you think it will stay like this forever. Everybody wants to be a nurse, and every nurse wants to be a nurse practitioner--just ask them--and guess what? They can do it. It's so easy to do that literally anybody with half a brain can become an NP. And more and more direct-entry, no experience programs are opening every day. It's people like you that are allowing this to happen. Check back on the pharmacy forums 10 plus years ago and people were saying the same thing you are now. Look at them today...

 

[Mass Effect]

You need to get your head out of the sand if you think it will stay like this forever. Everybody wants to be a nurse, and every nurse wants to be a nurse practitioner--just ask them--and guess what? They can do it. It's so easy to do that literally anybody with half a brain can become an NP. And more and more direct-entry, no experience programs are opening every day. It's people like you that are allowing this to happen. Check back on the pharmacy forums 10 plus years ago and people were saying the same thing you are now. Look at them today...

Yes, the sky is falling. Medical doctors will no longer be a thing. They won't have jobs and our children won't even recognize the word. Thanks for setting us all straight.

 

[NontradCA]

Uh. No.

Being a PHYSICIAN is still "respected".

They will never replace a physician ... even if ALL you are doing is primary care in hicksville somewhere.

And yes.

People DO CARE.

I just started rotations and I was certainly surprised by how many people always ask for "THEIR DOCTOR" when they are being seen and will make a fuss at the front desk... AS THEY SHOULD.

Not the PA.

Not the NP.

The PHYSICIAN.

Whether you like it or not... being a doctor is still something of worth in society.

I'm all for the "chill lifestyle...don't care about what other people think.. do you" attitude but you are smoking too much of that good stuff.

I’ve never seen anyone say this. Must be a location thing. I’d venture to say that being a doctor doesn’t mean much to most lay people. Especially the younger generation.

But not to derail OP, if you like healthcare RN and NP is a good choice from where you’re at now.

 

[DexterMorganSK]

Hello,
I was kicked out of medical school because of some personal issues. The school wouldn't let me repeat the year. I am thinking about going into podiatry. Would podiatry schools find out that I was expelled?

They will find out. Just like on AMCAS/AACOMAS, you will have to state if you have ever attended a professional school and if ever been dismissed from one when applying to Podiatry programs through AACPMAS. Rest is up to you for being honest/reasons of your dismissal.

Take some time off from applying and fix whatever issues you are facing. Podiatry or any other school will still be here.

Good luck!