Kirby - Game Thread

[Zenge142]

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Why do you feel good about him?

His posts feel genuine. Like I see in his content genuine effort at solving. He’s not making pushes based on phony stuff like I’ve seen him do before.

The way he talked about Dubz + Jay was genuine, and if I’m right about Jay, no way he made the posts he did at the time he did as a packmate.

 

[Dinashadow]

15. DrWilgy - leaning wolf for reasons stated previously, will post my reasoning why I was having trouble following his reads in a separate post

 

[samac]

Does that reads list look like it was copy and pasted out of a wolf chat where it was formulated?
@Zenge142

 

[samac]

Samac pls. If I was going to drive the bus over Dubz, the on thread fight we would have…

No. I’m not going to tell you how we would have done it. I’ll save that surprise for another game…

But seriously. Me? Bus there? Samac pls, keep it together!

If you’re wrong about J?

 

[Dinashadow]

This hurts me

Unyeet boq
Yeet Dina

Ouch

 

[samac]

Ouch

Ily
Please don’t make it hurt more

 

[Dinashadow]

Ily
Please don’t make it hurt more

Lol you hurt? How do you think I feel?

 

[Dinashadow]

Honestly if I'm an egg that needs cracked I'd rather it tonight and not when I have to start my 12 hour overnights in the ER I guess, but it still hurts

 

[samac]

Also just something I want to note particularly for my noobs if something starts happening and we flip villager after villager don’t be afraid to flip your reads list on its head. Nothing is worse than losing to some deep busser.
It ain’t zenge tho.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

unvote mayo
vote moonster

 

[samac]

Lol you hurt? How do you think I feel?

Honestly if I'm an egg that needs cracked I'd rather it tonight and not when I have to start my 12 hour overnights in the ER I guess, but it still hurts

Ow ow ow
Okay.
Let’s get you out of the POE.
Expand on Wigley pls

 

[PippyPony]

I can kind of see why wolves win so much in champs. One would think that more discussion is better for village, but it's also really hard to keep track of people's reads with this amount of volume. Definitely a climate where werewolves can just expatiate in a vaguely linear direction and hope that it gets missed or skimmed over

 

[Zenge142]

Does that reads list look like it was copy and pasted out of a wolf chat where it was formulated?
@Zenge142

I don’t think Dina is a bad place to look for a wolf flip, generally. I wouldn’t defend her as a village read in this game.

But I think saying it was copied and pasted from wolf chat is, while not impossible, is something that could have been copied and pasted from anywhere.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I can kind of see why wolves win so much in champs. One would think that more discussion is better for village, but it's also really hard to keep track of people's reads with this amount of volume. Definitely a climate where werewolves can just expatiate in a vaguely linear direction and hope that it gets missed or skimmed over

Volume can help either team in the right conditions. The larger problems are that players don't know each other, and egomania too often creates chaos.

 

[samac]

I don’t think Dina is a bad place to look for a wolf flip, generally. I wouldn’t defend her as a village read in this game.

But I think saying it was copied and pasted from wolf chat is, while not impossible, is something that could have been copied and pasted from anywhere.

when I say copy and pasted from wolf chat I mean more does it feel heavily edited? Does it feel genuine?
I know Dina posts reads lists in wolf chat and goes over it with packmates

 

[PippyPony]

I'm admittedly bad at reading Dina, but I also would be sad if we voted out a busy village Dina, because she's pretty good in endgame and is not a choker

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Zenge142 I realize you believe I am a wolf, but I would appreciate it nonetheless if you would engage with me. I don't want to restate my questions/prompts for you or even quote them, because I don't have many posts left.

But please be mindful that you don't know me as well as you know Dubz, and that by extension you should leave at least enough doubt to humor what I have to say (even if your vote is never to budge).

 

[PippyPony]

Where are we at with votes right now?

 

[Dinashadow]

I can kind of see why wolves win so much in champs. One would think that more discussion is better for village, but it's also really hard to keep track of people's reads with this amount of volume. Definitely a climate where werewolves can just expatiate in a vaguely linear direction and hope that it gets missed or skimmed over

Yeah I kinda got in over my head with this game, it's difficult for me to keep up and the post minimum is brutal for me

 

[Zenge142]

I know Dina posts reads lists in wolf chat and goes over it with packmates

Noted.

when I say copy and pasted from wolf chat I mean more does it feel heavily edited? Does it feel genuine?

I think Dina is a good enough player to make villagey sounding reads lists as a wolf.

I’m not uninterested in Dina-saurus, I trust that your village and you generally have good reads. I don’t have any reason to village read Dina myself, so if you think Dina is a hit, and you clearly do, I think it’s worth finding out.

 

[Dinashadow]

when I say copy and pasted from wolf chat I mean more does it feel heavily edited? Does it feel genuine?
I know Dina posts reads lists in wolf chat and goes over it with packmates

Wow love that my reads list spew I quickly typed up and thought "this is probably trash" sounds heavily edited

 

[PippyPony]

Yeah I kinda got in over my head with this game, it's difficult for me to keep up and the post minimum is brutal for me

I'm also very familiar with that particular ER, and I honestly don't know how you're alive IRL

 

[samac]

Noted.

I think Dina is a good enough player to make villagey sounding reads lists as a wolf.

I’m not uninterested in Dina-saurus, I trust that your village and you generally have good reads. I don’t have any reason to village read Dina myself, so if you think Dina is a hit, and you clearly do, I think it’s worth finding out.

NO BLIND FAITH IN ME
NO I DONT LIKE THAT SENTENCE
BAD ZENGE

 

[samac]

Wow love that my reads list spew I quickly typed up and thought "this is probably trash" sounds heavily edited

Cause you’re 10/10

 

[Dinashadow]

Ow ow ow
Okay.
Let’s get you out of the POE.
Expand on Wigley pls

Once Dina goes in the POE she doesn't usually come out soooo

 

[samac]

Once Dina goes in the POE she doesn't usually come out soooo

Dina pls

 

[Dinashadow]

I'm also very familiar with that particular ER, and I honestly don't know how you're alive IRL

pippy I have many complaints and I may rage about them in the sign up thread in a bit

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Wilgy (2) - Pippy 36, Dina 31
Boq () -
Dina (3) - Boq 66, Wilgy 44, samac 74
mighty () -
JJJ (4) - mighty 25, Zenge 18, mayo 37, moth 20
moon (1) - JJJ 113
mayo (2) - Nate 53, moon 35

12/13
yeet close in ~3.5 hours

 

[PippyPony]

No one else wants to jump on this Wilgy yeet with me? Two for the price of one - get a solid read on both Wilgy and Dina!

 

[PippyPony]

If he flips wolf, I also feel like it is helpful information on Boq because they have been voting together

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

No one else wants to jump on this Wilgy yeet with me? Two for the price of one - get a solid read on both Wilgy and Dina!

The only thing that will ever motivate my vote is "flip mafia", and I think Dina is more likely than Wilgy.

 

[Dinashadow]

Here is why I couldn't follow DrW's reads

I've caught up again.

I'm probably incorrect on several, so I'd not say this as a town vs scum list, more so would toss and wouldn't toss overboard.

Would toss: Nate, Boq, Genny, Pippy, Mayo, Moth

Someone explain why this is incorrect and why

Ok this is the toss list

Yup!

I see at least trends that look like solving from most players who are present. I'd say that the ones I feel like I may be wrong on are WildZoo, Zenge, or Mighty, but as it stands I wouldn't toss em.

just noting dubz here

Other mentions of dubz

Will hopefully skim Dubz next, but I gotta actually step away now.

Town
Town
Scum
Scum
Me

GTH town reads dubz

lv 1 is still
Moth, Mighty, Dina

lv 2 is
Pippy, Mighty, Dina

I get put in both lv 1 & 2 solves, but DrW votes for pippy

Because they have team equity doesn't necessarily mean I have a more firm sr on them.

I do think Pippy and Moth are the two most suspicious players as it stands. Mighty is behind, Dina is only on there via association to those who I find scummy. Why would I act upon a possibility that I do not know as a truth, when current suspicions would lead me to better knowing that truth.

So, I guess I don't understand how moth and pippy were the two most sus players, but I sit in these two levels and neither of them do, so I feel like in this scenario it would've made more sense to vote for me

How do you feel about puppy vs mayo?

I'd be more comfortable with those two wagons. I had Dubz as a slight tr early in, but seeing as others who know better have advised different and I've not yet completed ISO, I'd say I sit on the Dubz wagon as a neutral observer.

I do feel that there's likelier W in Pippy/Mayo at least.

So then DrW sheep votes for dubz, but yet I get sussed for asking him why he voted there when he hadn't been wolf reading her at all

 

[PippyPony]

Here is why I couldn't follow DrW's reads

Ok this is the toss list

just noting dubz here

Other mentions of dubz


GTH town reads dubz



I get put in both lv 1 & 2 solves, but DrW votes for pippy



So, I guess I don't understand how moth and pippy were the two most sus players, but I sit in these two levels and neither of them do, so I feel like in this scenario it would've made more sense to vote for me




So then DrW sheep votes for dubz, but yet I get sussed for asking him why he voted there when he hadn't been wolf reading her at all

This is exactly what I said yesterday, but hearing my own thoughts articulated by someone else gives me warm fuzzies

 

[Dinashadow]

yeah sorry everyone, i need to sleep

i am staying on Dina because I think it is a wolf approach to be apologetic to pushes and shade but it might also be a personality thing
I think JJJ has scum equity still and plays like he usually does as a wolf so eh

goodnight

I don't understand what you mean by apologetic?

 

[holdthemayo]

NO BLIND FAITH IN ME
NO I DONT LIKE THAT SENTENCE
BAD ZENGE

Other than feeling like her reads list might be edited, what is the rest of your case against Dina?

I'm too lazy to go back and find a reads list from when she's village to see if it reads similarly. If shorty were playing we could probably convince her to, but I doubt she'll do it as a mod.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So, I guess I don't understand how moth and pippy were the two most sus players, but I sit in these two levels and neither of them do, so I feel like in this scenario it would've made more sense to vote for me

In the post you quoted to say this, DrWilgy answered this. It seems like you're ignoring him outright. What about what he said?

 

[Zenge142]

@Zenge142 I realize you believe I am a wolf, but I would appreciate it nonetheless if you would engage with me. I don't want to restate my questions/prompts for you or even quote them, because I don't have many posts left.

But please be mindful that you don't know me as well as you know Dubz, and that by extension you should leave at least enough doubt to humor what I have to say (even if your vote is never to budge).

Sorry. Let me search these questions, and answer them.

I guess it’s a bit of a cursed situation. I know you’re a good player, including a good wolf. So I guess I’m paranoid.

Can you tell me how you’re reading Dina?

 

[holdthemayo]

Here is why I couldn't follow DrW's reads

Ok this is the toss list

just noting dubz here

Other mentions of dubz


GTH town reads dubz



I get put in both lv 1 & 2 solves, but DrW votes for pippy



So, I guess I don't understand how moth and pippy were the two most sus players, but I sit in these two levels and neither of them do, so I feel like in this scenario it would've made more sense to vote for me




So then DrW sheep votes for dubz, but yet I get sussed for asking him why he voted there when he hadn't been wolf reading her at all

This is a good post. Even moreso with him ending up on the Dubz wagon when he did.

 

[samac]

If he flips wolf, I also feel like it is helpful information on Boq because they have been voting together

Eh I don’t think Wigly and Boq are W/W

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@PippyPony your homework starting in Day 3 will be to return to the previous portions of the thread to specifically assess the way people developed their reads on me and/or how they justified voting for me (or suspecting me). You will know then that it was bunk, and I believe you will be well-suited to turning a critical eye on the consensus here and figuring out where the BS lies.

 

[samac]

Other than feeling like her reads list might be edited, what is the rest of your case against Dina?

I'm too lazy to go back and find a reads list from when she's village to see if it reads similarly. If shorty were playing we could probably convince her to, but I doubt she'll do it as a mod.

Just wanted to see what she did with fair pressure

Unyeet Dina

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Can you tell me how you’re reading Dina?

I don't really have a firm grip on Dina. I might have fewer reasons to call her town than anyone else on the board, save perhaps mayo. I would find voting her out to be rather uninspired, but she fits on plenty of teams and could be mafia.

 

[DrWilgy]

Here is why I couldn't follow DrW's reads

Ok this is the toss list

just noting dubz here

Other mentions of dubz


GTH town reads dubz



I get put in both lv 1 & 2 solves, but DrW votes for pippy



So, I guess I don't understand how moth and pippy were the two most sus players, but I sit in these two levels and neither of them do, so I feel like in this scenario it would've made more sense to vote for me




So then DrW sheep votes for dubz, but yet I get sussed for asking him why he voted there when he hadn't been wolf reading her at all

Aye, I did think Dubz was a townlean. I also knew that I wasn't confident on that.

I was voting Pippy all day before moving over. I hadn't even been aware to read you and put you in some team combos when I voted Pippy. This one honestly feels bad faith. It's not an expression of 'Wilgy was on Pippy for half a day but then created a team with me on it twice' you decide to twist it into 'Wilgy expressed suspicion on me twice and then votes Pippy. That's kinda bad I fink.

Moth and Pippy were more suspect than you were. You did happen to fit some theoretical teams I was able to create. Why would I push you if that was my only hankering of why you were suspicious? I believe I even iterated that this was the case?

And it is somewhat suspicious. You and Genny I recall to have reactions to it, regardless of why you showed a reaction to me placing a vote on a wolf and I do think that's at least worth the eyes it's been getting.

 

[samac]

@PippyPony your homework starting in Day 3 will be to return to the previous portions of the thread to specifically assess the way people developed their reads on me and/or how they justified voting for me (or suspecting me). You will know then that it was bunk, and I believe you will be well-suited to turning a critical eye on the consensus here and figuring out where the BS lies.

You think pippy will read back lol

 

[PippyPony]

Eh I don’t think Wigly and Boq are W/W

I didn't say that. I said it would provide helpful information.

If the wolf pack was bigger, then I wouldn't rule out some strong early game co-voting, but in a game this size, it would be too conspicuous. So I think I would actually be more inclined to move Boq village if Wilgy flipped red.

 

[PippyPony]

You think pippy will read back lol

Hey!

Sometimes I pick a smattering of posts to read!

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You think pippy will read back lol

Maybe that's not Pippy's M.O. But I think she could be quite good at this particular thing if she believes in herself and gives it a shot.

 

[samac]

yeet Wigley

 

[samac]

Maybe that's not Pippy's M.O. But I think she could be quite good at this particular thing if she believes in herself and gives it a shot.

:care:

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Quick legacy just in case I get hammered before the cap lifts:

Zenge
Pippy
samac
Boquise
mighty
genny
Nate
mothy
Wilgy
Dina
moonster
mayo