Kirby - Game Thread

[JaggedJimmyJay]

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Here were the options on my read list:

1. Village
2. Village lean
3. Neutral
4. PoE

I then took neutral and further subdivided between neutral (village) or neutral (wolf), since I didn't think offering a read list with like 6 or 7 pure neutrals was very helpful

Thanks for your reply. Could you say a bit more about what made you like Dina's reads list? I think you said something about this to samac, so you could reference again and/or expand. I'm not in a great position this afternoon to go digging.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 3 Yeet Tally
moon (1) - samac 12
mighty (2) - Boq 32, Wilgy 8

3/11
yeet close in ~29 hours

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If "stomp" means the same thing as "sweep" in this context (i.e., town wins without losing any of their own other than to mafia night kills), then it sounds like it would be semi-history. That will suffice.

It's unfortunate we cannot go for the perfect game. The Syndicate has only had one of those in a true long-form game in 10.5 years.

 

[supershorty]

If "stomp" means the same thing as "sweep" in this context

Yes, we use stomp to differentiate town doing that from sweep, which we typically apply to wolves not losing any of their own.

 

[mightyrunner7]

Thanks for your reply. Could you say a bit more about what made you like Dina's reads list? I think you said something about this to samac, so you could reference again and/or expand. I'm not in a great position this afternoon to go digging.

Here were the posts:

What about that reads list did you like

The fact that she finally got around to posting a reads list, mostly. I'll take another look at it for some better impressions

Posting a reads list probably shouldn’t lead to a village read. I can do that a hell of a lot easier as a wolf than a villager.

Big difference between village read and change the lean on my neutral read.

I give credit for reads lists because even if they come from wolves, it at least gives the village something to digest post yeet.

Nothing is worse than yeeting a silent wolf and going "welp, that was obviously helpful, but... I'm back to square one"

But like if she’s a wolf and made a reads list that is helpful post flip that doesn’t mean to village lean her
Weird logic

Fair, but again, post context was "I'm considering changing the lean on my neutral read"

Not sure there exists a lower bar to clear

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Thanks, mighty. I’ll chew on that. Why was Dina a neutral-lean-wolf read before that?

 

[PippyPony]

I came down with norovirus last night and have spent the last 18+ hours praying to the porcelain gods, so I'm very behind on this thread.

Clearly my reads from yesterday need to get updated after Dina.

 

[Zenge142]

IT WASNT BECAUSE ZENGES SHOT CUBS
Those are also the 2 I remember because I was apart of them lol

Yes, thank you for reminding me.

 

[Zenge142]

It’s not SMack&Cheese.

Hard time thinking it’s GreatExpectationsMainCharacterNameyPony at this point.

I don’t think Alabama makes sense.

Bok Choy & Wiggle Toes are working very hard to solve in a way that makes evaluating them as a legitimate wolf possibility a fool’s errand outside of a final three situation.

jJjJjJjJj is likely town. There I said it. Don’t @ me.

——————————————————————

ToAFlame just seems super Wolfy because they’re new at the game. I mean it’s possible they’re new and wolfing but… I’m leaning the other way.

ChurchDaddy is floating around down there, as he’s want to do, but I’m not overly convinced this slot is a wolf more that the next two.

——————————————————————
I guess I’m between Might Be? and CowJumpedOver. And between the two, I guess I feeeeeeeeeel worse about Miight be.

Some of CowJumpedOver’s posts just seem pure. Like the way they didn’t take the opportunity to include Pippy in the POE despite my offering.

So I guess that just leaves….Might be… Mighty as the logical process of elimination choice.

 

[Zenge142]

Yeet Mighty

 

[supershorty]

Don’t @ me.

@Zenge142

 

[supershorty]

Alabama

You spelled Ala-BAMA wrong.

 

[genny]

as he’s want to do

wont is one of my favorite words

 

[genny]

Who are the two married couples in this group, again? Because I suppose that could make reads trickier.

this is so angleshooty, but i keep thinking about it. and then i remember that time my husband planned a surprise party for me, and i really had no idea until they flipped on the lights and yelled at me.

 

[genny]

I love how genny just waited out my calls to cast a vote

well, i know it's not me, and i didn't know jj vs dina, and sometimes just letting that sweet tie hold for a bit makes people do interesting things.

 

[genny]

Wolf village
village
village
wolf
village

well this makes me laugh now.
and mighty is among the village reads.

 

[genny]

village
wolf
village
village
village

Pippy, mayo, moon, samac are my focus atm. Idk if that's in order, but top choice would be...where I'm voting.

I'm saving my last pre-EOD post for a couple hours from now but I'll be lurking 👀

moon appears to be a wolf read for dubz.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dina/mothy interactions

Dina on mothy:

Spoiler

I didn't say you were?

I'm just trying to understand why mothy decided to vote for JJJ

why are you village reading me?



she's got a lot of noob energy and also mothy tends to be a bit chaotic



I can't read dubz for ****, so I usually rely on other people to do that for me

But I haven't really liked how she's interacted with me. I don't like that she's village reading me when I haven't earned it, it's completely unlike her



I don't understand your flip flopping on dubz

This is a good point and making me rethink how I should read the mothy/dubz interactions. On re-read her PSV wolf read feels a bit retaliatory, her voting JJJ to try to unalign her to him because of what DrW said was weird, but I think these are things I could see mothy doing as village

You mean this one?

I don't remember him ever explaining why I'm associated to moth, I understand the pippy association, but he also just throws mighty to me too because I commented on mighty's first post, it just seems like this whole thing was centered around me

^
Search "moth"
Search "motheatenlysis"
v

Hi mothy

are you wolf reading mothy or did you just vote her to make a tie?

I still don't understand your JJJ vote though?

I didn't say you were?

I'm just trying to understand why mothy decided to vote for JJJ

she's got a lot of noob energy and also mothy tends to be a bit chaotic

If dubz flips wolf I think I'll have to go back and reevaluate mothy. Speaking of which @motheatenlysis where you at?

I've been playing off and on for a couple of years, but still have what the cool kids are calling skill issue 😎

14. motheatenlysis - Not sure if noob!wolf or just noob, still in the POE

what would be impressive?

There are some interesting things here that might be telling. The orange items are the same kind of "I don't understand why you are doing X" grievances that Dina directed at both DrWilgy and Boquise. Then the red thing expressly links mothy to Dubz before the latter's mafia flip. These both reflect well on mothy.

mothy on Dina:

Spoiler

HI DINA

So you are settled on mighty and Dina being wolf? Can you tell me more?

Are you ready for pneumonia, lack of sleep, or death?

Day un-ruined. Dina isn’t a n00b!

Unyeet JJJ
Yet Dina

Not much to discuss on this end. The only thing to really mention is the green bit (directed at DrWilgy), which could be called vaguely "defensive" or otherwise promote Wilgy vs. Dina combat. That's a reach though. mothy's vote for Dina came at EOD after the claims.

Conclusion

I think the more interesting material here comes from the Dina side, and that looks pretty decent for mothy. If she can gain any town credit right now (validly), that would be a big win. So I would love alternative perspectives from anyone else about this one.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

ChurchDaddy

It took me way too long to figure out who this is. And I know a thing or two about daddies.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dina/genny interactions

Dina on genny:

Spoiler

10. genny - I'm not good at reading genny, but I've liked her posts and don't really have a reason to be wolf reading her rn

That's it. I think Dina might have forgotten genny is playing.

genny on Dina:

Spoiler

Noobs gonna noob

wolf
villa
villa
wolf
villa

would it be a good time to yeet Dina?

why aren't you voting dina?

i find it interesting the neither dina nor jj are voting for each other.

Nothing happening until late in Day 2, when genny popped in with the orange post. It's fine from the "way to be right" standpoint, if perhaps a bit convenient (I believe the momentum had already begun to shift in that direction). I have considered that the last two posts might be a smear campaign to imply I am teamed with Dina, but eh. Could just be her actual impression.

Conclusion

Somehow the complete absence of genny from Dina's posts seems decent to me. I acknowledge that both of them are on the low end of the activity spectrum, but that's it? It's not typical anyway. From the standpoint of better safe than sorry I will keep her in my POE. I don't really feel it though.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Dina/moonster interactions

Dina on moon:


The first two posts are direct responses to moonster, and the last is a response to me. The second post comes with a slight bit of severity which might be alright for moon, but I need to know Dina better to make much of that. SDNers could shed light on whether that's any reason to dissociate the two of them. I already spoke about the "#12" moonster read post, which I thought was iffy.

moon on Dina:


The first two posts are moon's responses to Dina's questions in the prior spoiler. The "sorry" seems a little odd for teammates. I recognize that's a small point for the current situation. Other than that, moon's mentions of Dina prior to the claim mostly come in a POE styled context, which is neither a problem nor a reason to clear moon. Dina was POE by default.

Conclusion

Overall I am not sure this makes moonster look worse. It's alright. It doesn't move me too much in general. But there are some little bits that could be worth discussion before moon gets turbo'd here.

One kind of meta thing that I was mulling yesterday, related to moonster's GTH answers that you quoted. She did it a little later, 15 minutes or so after you posted the chart of results. Dubz was green across the board, but moonster gave a GTH scum read there (she also scum read Dina, but Dina's GTH results were more mixed so it's not as interesting to me). I'm not sure w!moonster jumps in to scumread her partner that has just been widely townread. It's outside consensus and if anyone asks about it she has to talk about why her partner is sus. And in fact, you did notice and ask about it (specifically Dubz/Zenge/PSV), and she answered here:

PSV is the only one I feel like I had any solid pings on, mostly from early in the game. I can grab those posts if you'd like.

WildZoo and Zenge were more IDK scum picks, and TBH they're still IDK. Doubt I'm gonna have time to ISO them and do anything else before twilight (and even so I probably wouldn't finish), so I'm gonna prioritize other stuff, sorry.

This was just under an hour to EOD, Dubz had 7 votes and was cooked. There's no attempt here to look good from the flip that's about to happen even though this would be the perfect opportunity to do so.

 

[NateTheLesser]

It took me way too long to figure out who this is. And I know a thing or two about daddies.

I guess it's kind of fitting that I say "oh god" under my breath whenever this comes up.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That's a very good point, Nate.

 

[NateTheLesser]

I keep starting my review of the votes and then my eyes glaze over and I fade out of existence.

Yeet Mighty

Have I got some charts for you!

 

[mightyrunner7]

I'm boarding a plane and will be in the air for hammer o'clock, but I just wanted to offer the following:

It seems the sus against me boils down to process of elimination or a smoking gun post. If you yeet me because of "everyone else is more village," I get it, it will be a necessary misyeet to move forward with gamesolving. However, I will strongly disagree with the smoking gun rationale.

At that point, it was clear that a wave was moving toward Dina. I can see only three reasons why I would make that post in the current threadstate:

1. Village mighty was short of 40 posts and was trying to find something to contribute regarding the two leading yeet candidates.

2. Village mighty was trying to provide a lifeline to his wife, who had been too busy to really contribute much so far

3. Wolf mighty took the pin off a grenade and hugged it to his chest.

The only other person in this game who actually knew Dina's alignment was her packmate. Why would wolf mighty make such an pointless comment when her head was on the chopping block? Wolf mighty would always stay quiet and keep on the "safe" read (JJJ is sus).

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dina/Nate interactions

Dina on Nate:

Spoiler

I wanted to ask for the TL;DR on why nate was being so highly wolf read because I felt like he hadn't posted anything but I see his wagon has dissipated

Why nate?

This is my reminder that I also need to go back and look at Nate tomorrow, not sure how to read him or his earlier votes

wasn't he like the first one pushing JJJ though?

Is that a gut feel or were there posts you liked?

With the dubz flip and looking back on interactions, I'd be really surprised if nate and dubz were w/w. I can't see a world where dubz votes a packmate who was being heavily sussed and voted for

3. NateTheLesser - Leaning village d/t dubz snap voting him, like his analysis today even if I don't completely agree with the mayo push I can follow the logic he's presenting

Dina's reception of Nate was broadly positive. She stood in his corner on a few occasions, and made an effort to express that the Dubz flip cleared him. At face value there's room for compatibility there. However, if I try to interpret, I think I might see TMI instead (knowing that Nate is town and high-roading the read when he was catching flak). We'll tread carefully.

Nate on Dina:

Spoiler

Dina's not [a newbie]. I think she's talking about mothy there.

I think my rough ranking at this point is something like this, not entirely ordered:
Zenge
Pippy
samac
mothy
Boq
moonster
JJJ
Dina
Wilgy
genny
mighty
mayo

I don't think mothy's a wolf. Call it a strong hunch.

Dina/moonster I can't really clear, though I town lean moonster more than Dina. Partly on gut vibes, it didn't seem like moonster was working with TMI about how Dubz would flip.


I'm clearing samac mostly for Dubz' end of their early interactions. Their approach to each other seemed.. unbalanced, I guess? Didn't seem like distancing.

To put it another way, if Mayo's town that seems like it would have been an easy self pres vote. He's the only real cw and she already had him as a wolf read (the GTH exercise and her general POE). But instead she put a 2nd vote back on Pippy. I can certainly come up with reasons, like sticking with who she'd already been voting so she doesn't make too many people look good if she flips. But that plus Mayo's sudden Dubz suspicion and tying her to Jay makes me narrow my eyes. Anyway.

I need to take another look at Dina in the time we have left, since a lot of the people I currently trust have concerns there.

I went back to ISO Dina but I'm gonna have to put more weight on the rest of your vibe reads I think, there's just not a whole lot there.

Yeah. Like, I can wolf read parts of it. She jumped on Dubz basically as soon as she got to the thread after the wagon was a thing, and also shaded Boq for flip-flopping.

Of the people on the board, in terms of who I'd yeet I'd put them mayo > Dina > JJJ > Wilgy = moonster

If Dina's a wolf I think that wagon's pure

The orange bit is a nice touch. moonster was probably about as choppable as Dina (at least as alternatives to me in that period), and Nate didn't have to go this route. I kind of vibe with the red things, in that they have that surface appearance of "hedging" that isn't actually bad. It's the difference between being unwilling to take a stance and being uncertain, but also mounting no meaningful resistance to a wagon. I appreciate that while acknowledging the wifom.

Conclusion

Perhaps I have been generous to Nate with some of these points, so anyone should yell at me if they think I haven't been fairly scrutinizing. But I think Nate looks okay. If this game drags much longer than it should maybe revisit.

 

[mightyrunner7]

Thanks, mighty. I’ll chew on that. Why was Dina a neutral-lean-wolf read before that?

Here ya go:

@Dinashadow - neutral (W) - I agree with a few others than being quiet over a holiday weekend is probably NAI, but I would love to see more investigative work from her. I anticipate this read to swing wildly as she adds more content, since it's the one I'm currently least confident in here. I also have an inherent bias that makes me want to get my read of her correct for bragging rights, but she's making it difficult

 

[samac]

If "stomp" means the same thing as "sweep" in this context (i.e., town wins without losing any of their own other than to mafia night kills), then it sounds like it would be semi-history. That will suffice.

It's unfortunate we cannot go for the perfect game. The Syndicate has only had one of those in a true long-form game in 10.5 years.

Why can we not go for the perfect game?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The only other person in this game who actually knew Dina's alignment was her packmate. Why would wolf mighty make such an pointless comment when her head was on the chopping block? Wolf mighty would always stay quiet and keep on the "safe" read (JJJ is sus).

How do you think you'd have read Dina as mafia in that situation?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why can we not go for the perfect game?

A "perfect game" as I mean it is a town win without losing a single player by any means.

 

[samac]

A "perfect game" as I mean it is a town win without losing a single player by any means.

Ah
That sounds near impossible

 

[NateTheLesser]

Day 2 Votes​

 

[NateTheLesser]

Waterfall​

EOD Wagons​

 

[NateTheLesser]

Quoting D1 votes so they're in roughly the same spot for reference

Day 1 Votes​

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ah
That sounds near impossible

Glory was achieved once

(don't actually waste time reading that unless you want to, but it's the one time I have seen it in a proper non-turbo game).

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I would like to urge all members of the town faction to hit the posting minimum today, just in case. I hope I don't sound patronizing. I just know that the one thing that can turn this dominant lead belly up is a pile of modkills.

 

[samac]

I would like to urge all members of the town faction to hit the posting minimum today, just in case. I hope I don't sound patronizing. I just know that the one thing that can turn this dominant lead belly up is a pile of modkills.

I’ll hit it. Just my dads birthday so I’m busy today. <3

 

[Zenge142]

SMack&Cheese

my dad

Fettuccine Alfredo?

 

[motheatenlysis]

Yet mighty

 

[motheatenlysis]

omg I did it again

 

[motheatenlysis]

Y E E T mighty

 

[Zenge142]

omg I did it again

And yet…

 

[motheatenlysis]

I had a very hord exam today that I actually ran out of time on and I’m still sick. But I’ll come back with more thoughts soon.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think that puts mighty two short of the hammer.

 

[motheatenlysis]

I think that puts mighty two short of the hammer.

BUT I HAVENT HIT 40 posts yet

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Generally the post minimums don’t apply if there is an early hammer. But let’s ensure everyone has satisfied their desire to speak today before ending it. @samac might want more time, for example.

mighty is my vote in spirit.

 

[supershorty]

Generally the post minimums don’t apply if there is an early hammer.

Correct. Spanking occurred last cycle because I didn't actually lock the thread until 9:03 and therefore felt justified.

 

[NateTheLesser]

I'm mulling, I'll be back later.

 

[supershorty]

I'm mulling, I'll be back later.

Hi mulling, I'm dog

 

[NateTheLesser]

I'm against hammering in general, unless things slow to an absolute standstill.