Knight-Hennessy Scholarship Applicants 2019-2020

[907914]

Do they give earlier consideration to people applying KH since the whole process takes so long and you have to submit the secondary after?

KH is all wrapped up by February

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KH is all wrapped up by February

I know, but that is not what I'm asking. Do they look at KH applicants earlier as opposed to if an applicant did not apply to KH

 

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I do not believe so. It is just the opposite. My understanding is that KH sifts and sorts applicants into the various schools and doesn't really begin reading applications until late September. It takes them about three months, during which time they may share information with, in your case, the medical school. Top applicants get scheduled for interviews very late in the process. I interviewed at both the med school and with KH in mid February.

If you a top applicant, I think applying for the KH gives you greater visibility with the med school. If not, it may put you at risk of a late medical school interview.

 

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KH may also cut loose those non competitive applicants and allow the med school to run their regular process with them. Even so, you are not likely to get reviewed until October, earliest.

But it is possible to be reviewed for the regular program in the meantime?

 

[907914]

But it is possible to be reviewed for the regular program in the meantime?

You likely will not hear back from Stanford is my understanding until KH gives them the go ahead to do so. Put all of your effort in to perfecting the application, submit it, then ignore it and worry about getting a different acceptance so you have a backup, then be happy if/when KH appears in front of you later in the cycle. Are you considering turning down a full ride, Rhodes scholar equivalent, to Stanford if it is late in the cycle?

 

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If I am right, it may possible if KH cuts you loose, to be part of the regular process, but if so, it won't be until October or November. But I am not sure.

I submitted both apps in early September, and heard nothing, nada, until late January, when I got scheduled through an automated system for both a medical school interview, a Thursday and the KH Immersion Weekend beginning the following day. I was given no choice as to II date.

Thanks! Did you end up getting the scholarship? just out of curiosity

 

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Are we able to submit even if a letter writer hasn't submitted their letter yet? So they can start reviewing the secondary earlier

 

[907914]

Are we able to submit even if a letter writer hasn't submitted their letter yet? So they can start reviewing the secondary earlier

Yes, letters are due October 9th at 1300 PST

 

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Ok, having finished the majority of my secondaries, including stanford, I am left with the KH app but am quite burnt out at this point. Does anyone know if there is any benefit to submitting the KH app early if you already submitted the stanford secondary? Or do they not even look at it until the october deadline?

 

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Last year, you had to complete the KH application before you could submit the med school secondary.

There is benefit, imo, to waiting until near the KH deadline in September to submit both. Gives time to work on both. The KH people do not to begin their review until about early Oct. The med school KH applicants get batched and interviewed by the med school very late in the process.

That is my understanding of what happened last year. It may be different this year.

This year, they allow you to submit the secondary before KH. So since I had been done with it for a while I submitted upon finding that out. But if they don't look at KH applicants till october then thats perfect, gives me plenty of time. On the other hand, do you know if they review the apps in chronological order? in which case, I suppose it would be better to submit ASAP even if its not rolling admissions

 

[907914]

they allow you to submit the secondary before KH

Where did you see this?

Taken directly from the Stanford Secondary application:

• Application to the Knight-Hennessy Scholars Program (KHSP) is optional. The KHSP application must be submitted prior to submitting the Stanford Medicine Supplemental Application.

 

[907914]

One difference last year is the KH LoRs and the video were due in September at the same time as the KH app, as I recall.

This year it looks as if they are using the videos as part of the final screening process in December and making overall submission of all material a little less burdensome (thus increasing the applicant pool).

The LORs must be submitted by the October 9th deadline and the video is by the December date (December 10th if I believe?)

 

[907914]

I noticed that, the first two cohorts only had like 3,000 applicants and less than the 100 scholars intended - any ideas on that?

Making it easier on the applicants. Adjusting a little each year, probably listening to feedback. And goosing the pool.

 

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I don't know how many applicants applied each of the first two years, though I thought the pool increased last year. There were also more scholars chosen the second year than the first, by design. And I believe they will increase again this year. There will eventually be a 50/50 US and International split, if not already.

I don't really follow this too closely.

From what I could tell, very few of the past two years scholars were international. I recall one canadian but thats about it.

 

[Schedar]

This year, they allow you to submit the secondary before KH. So since I had been done with it for a while I submitted upon finding that out.

to reiterate what @MemeLord asked, I'm very curious about this bc i've been holding my app while working on KH as per the rules ...

 

[907914]

to reiterate what @MemeLord asked, I'm very curious about this bc i've been holding my app while working on KH as per the rules ...

Submitting Stanford late is fine as KH must be in beforehand. I had a 12 day Stanford turnaround. Granted, I started KH back in May, but still - she’s a beast.

 

[EdgeTrimmer]

Is the prompt same for everyone?

 

[jecki46]

Are we able to submit the regular secondary before submitting KH or does it have to be KH first?

Also, do they indicate a time frame in which they want us to get the video in?

Actually it now says on the admissions page that you can click the button that says you "intend" to submit KH. And you have to have started the application to get your application number. The actual submission of KH does not have to be first.

 

[907914]

Actually it now says on the admissions page that you can click the button that says you "intend" to submit KH. And you have to have started the application to get your application number. The actual submission of KH does not have to be first.

Righteous, that is awesome! Thanks for the update.

 

[jecki46]

@MemeLord it now says on stanford application website:
"If you have applied to or plan to apply to the Knight-Hennessy Scholars program (KHS), please be advised that a KHS Application number is required before you are permitted to submit the Stanford Medicine Supplemental Application.
The KHS Application number is created by initiating the KHS Application. If you wish to submit the Stanford Medicine Supplemental Application without "completing" the KHS Application, please create the KHS Application prior to submitting the Stanford Medicine Supplemental Application and return later to complete the KHS Application.
The deadline to apply is October 9, 2019 (1:00 pm PDT). After this date and time, you will no longer be permitted to submit the KHSP application."

I think they never updated that first page on the portal where it says you have to submit KH first from last year, but they changed the rule. THere is even a place to select that you plan to submit KH but havent yet.

 

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Yeah, for those wondering, I called KH admissions after seeing that "you must submit KH first" line in the secondary a while ago, and they reassured me that as long as you enter the KH application number, you are good to go to submit the secondary first

 

[Beyonce2.0]

Just to confirm, the application confirmation number that the Stanford secondary asks for is the same as the application ID that's on the home page of the K-H portal?

 

[907914]

Just to confirm, the application confirmation number that the Stanford secondary asks for is the same as the application ID that's on the home page of the K-H portal?

Correct!

 

[Beyonce2.0]

Thanks. This would have been great to know a while ago, I've basically delayed my secondary by a whole month because I thought I couldn't submit until completing K-H...alas..

 

[907914]

Thanks. This would have been great to know a while ago, I've basically delayed my secondary by a whole month because I thought I couldn't submit until completing K-H...alas..

I delayed my Stanford by a few weeks because of it...Right there with you. But oh well, our fault for believing what the portal told us as opposed to being proactive!

 

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Thanks. This would have been great to know a while ago, I've basically delayed my secondary by a whole month because I thought I couldn't submit until completing K-H...alas..

Yeah lol this is exactly what I did. Had to contain my frustration when the lady on the phone told me "we need to update the language on the secondary"

 

[MDToBe1!]

Is it bad if I indicated on my secondary application that I didn't intend to apply to KH, but now have decided to buy my lottery ticket and complete a KH application anyway? Should I contact the Admissions Office to let them know so that they can match my primary and secondary applications to my KH application? Thank you!

 

[907914]

Is it bad if I indicated on my secondary application that I didn't intend to apply to KH, but now have decided to buy my lottery ticket and complete a KH application anyway? Should I contact the Admissions Office to let them know so that they can match my primary and secondary applications to my KH application? Thank you!

So, the secondary application required that we input our KH ID number even if we just checked the “I plan to submit,” so what I would do is reach out by email to the Admissions Office and see if updating them after secondary submission is OK (being that you already submitted). If thy say it is a go then open the account and update them. If not, then you are SOL. Always worth a shot. Good luck and let us know the results!

 

[MDToBe1!]

So, the secondary application required that we input our KH ID number even if we just checked the “I plan to submit,” so what I would do is reach out by email to the Admissions Office and see if updating them after secondary submission is OK (being that you already submitted). If thy say it is a go then open the account and update them. If not, then you are SOL. Always worth a shot. Good luck and let us know the results!

Thanks for the feedback! I'll email them and update on here what they said. Thanks, again!

 

[halfricangirl]

As I was reviewing my Knight-Hennessy application at Stanford, I realized that I misspelled the name of the program a few times throughout my application (spelling it: Knights Hennessey). I don't know how I did not notice this before submission, but I'm concerned that this ruins my chances, especially considering it is an extremely competitive program. This program is kinda the dream for me so I'm not too sure what to do now, and I was thinking about sending the program an email acknowledging this spelling error. Should I ask them if I can go in and correct the mistake since the application is not reviewed until October? There is an option to withdraw the application, do you think it's possible to resubmit? Ugh a mess about it so I would appreciate any constructive advice y'all have to offer.

 

[907914]

As I was reviewing my Knight-Hennessy application at Stanford, I realized that I misspelled the name of the program a few times throughout my application (spelling it: Knights Hennessey). I don't know how I did not notice this before submission, but I'm concerned that this ruins my chances, especially considering it is an extremely competitive program. This program is kinda the dream for me so I'm not too sure what to do now, and I was thinking about sending the program an email acknowledging this spelling error. Should I ask them if I can go in and correct the mistake since the application is not reviewed until October? There is an option to withdraw the application, do you think it's possible to resubmit? Ugh a mess about it so I would appreciate any constructive advice y'all have to offer.

Being how competitive this application is, I would say a misspelling of one of the founders names does not bode well. This thing needs to be 10X as polished and 10X as clean of a narrative as anything MED school related. The best you can do now is ignore it - no point in stressing over something you cannot change - and hope they either don’t notice or don’t care.

 

[jecki46]

As I was reviewing my Knight-Hennessy application at Stanford, I realized that I misspelled the name of the program a few times throughout my application (spelling it: Knights Hennessey). I don't know how I did not notice this before submission, but I'm concerned that this ruins my chances, especially considering it is an extremely competitive program. This program is kinda the dream for me so I'm not too sure what to do now, and I was thinking about sending the program an email acknowledging this spelling error. Should I ask them if I can go in and correct the mistake since the application is not reviewed until October? There is an option to withdraw the application, do you think it's possible to resubmit? Ugh a mess about it so I would appreciate any constructive advice y'all have to offer.

Being how competitive this application is, I would say a misspelling of one of the founders names does not bode well. This thing needs to be 10X as polished and 10X as clean of a narrative as anything MED school related. The best you can do now is ignore it - no point in stressing over something you cannot change - and hope they either don’t notice or don’t care.

I wouldn't be so dramatic here. If you are the rare diamond that they feel is the right person for the KH, they are not gonna say "oh lets forget her, she misspelled our name." I mean, really, these are humans evaluating. They want a specific kind of applicant--one that has showed evidence of high likelyhood to change the world etc... if that's you, they are not going to toss your application aside because of a likely common spelling error. Relax and move on! Don't draw attention to it. Good luck!

 

[907914]

Some words of encouragement from the automated KH email if there is anyone looking for some resources and is not signed up for their email/newsletter:

Dear (applicant),

Whether you have started your Knight-Hennessy Scholars application, or are still considering applying, Knight-Hennessy Scholars have words of encouragement for you!

Watch the application tips video too! Keep making progress by logging in to your online application.

• Check upcoming events to register for an information session.
• Visit the applications requirementspage to learn more.
• Download a sample applicationPDF so you know what to expect.

Applications are due October 10, 2019, 1pm PT.

Sincerely,

Knight-Hennessy Scholars
Stanford University

 

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Ugh. Can't even find the energy to finish this bad boy...

 

[Engrailed]

Hi everyone
Just curious, from looking at the past KH scholar profiles, either they saved a village in a third world country (not even an exaggeration) or completed in some national level sporting competition etc and/or top tier BA degree

Are there ANY other sort of metrics available on the med students/KH?
(aka MCAT)

*asking for a friend* 🙂

 

[EdgeTrimmer]

Hi everyone
Just curious, from looking at the past KH scholar profiles, either they saved a village in a third world country (not even an exaggeration) or completed in some national level sporting competition etc and/or top tier BA degree

Are there ANY other sort of metrics available on the med students/KH?
(aka MCAT)

*asking for a friend* 🙂

Most seems to took gap years to serve the world and won multiple awards.

 

[MDToBe1!]

Hi everyone
Just curious, from looking at the past KH scholar profiles, either they saved a village in a third world country (not even an exaggeration) or completed in some national level sporting competition etc and/or top tier BA degree

Are there ANY other sort of metrics available on the med students/KH?
(aka MCAT)

*asking for a friend* 🙂

I have to agree with this statement. The cohorts of students for KH are not very diverse, and the majority seem to come from a similar background of prestige.

 

[907914]

Hi everyone
Just curious, from looking at the past KH scholar profiles, either they saved a village in a third world country (not even an exaggeration) or completed in some national level sporting competition etc and/or top tier BA degree

Are there ANY other sort of metrics available on the med students/KH?
(aka MCAT)

*asking for a friend* 🙂

There seem to be three distinct categories of Scholars:

1) Walter level OMGWTF saved a villiage, CEO, all the awards, blah
2) Lots of sports or research combined with global humanitarian stuff and maybe an award or two
3) a good amount of unique things from diverse background, impressive but overall achievable

It seems to be an even split between these three categories. I am aiming for halfway between category three and category two lol Well rounded with uniqueness, but some moderate awards and research success.

 

[Engrailed]

I have to agree with this statement. The cohorts of students for KH is not very diverse, and the majority seem to come from a similar background of prestige.

Prestige breeds prestige. Is what I have noticed during this app cycle.
Same for the ultra rich who donate to already well funded god tier institutions.
C'est la vie... *sigh!*

 

[907914]

I have to agree with this statement. The cohorts of students for KH is not very diverse, and the majority seem to come from a similar background of prestige.

This seems to be mostly true, although there are quite a few random schools (NC state, for example). My guess is that this one is a correlation as opposed to causation thing. Wealth brings opportunities to stand out, wealth directs one towards prestige, prestige yields more prestige.

 

[MDToBe1!]

Prestige breeds prestige. Is what I have noticed during this app cycle.
Same for the ultra rich who donate to already well funded god tier institutions.
C'est la vie... *sigh!*

Preach! It's sad, but true.

 

[Engrailed]

Preach! It's sad, but true.

Also, in recent years,
Ive noticed a wave of top tier institutions getting endowed for naming rights and pretty soon there wont be schools left to name!

 

[MDToBe1!]

This seems to be mostly true, although there are quite a few random schools (NC state, for example). My guess is that this one is a correlation as opposed to causation thing. Wealth brings opportunities to stand out, wealth directs one towards prestige, prestige yields more prestige.

I agree a 100% with you on this. It's sad.

 

[907914]

I agree a 100% with you on this. It's sad.

This is one reason why I want to create a small endowment at my undergrad down the road specifically for premed scholarships. My school gets an applicant with a 521 equivalent MCAT like once every 30 years....and we have a success rate of like 33% between both MD and DO....Us underserved schools need MUCH more support to yield the successful students I know that we can.

 

[MDToBe1!]

Also, in recent years,
Ive noticed a wave of top tier institutions getting endowed for naming rights and pretty soon there wont be schools left to name!

I've noticed the same thing too. Despite efforts targeted at diversity, the medical school application process, especially at the top medical schools, is intrinsically designed to favor people from specific backgrounds of privilege and prestige. I don't believe it's causation, but it's definitely a correlation because as mentioned before, prestige breeds prestige and wealth provides opportunities to stand out that were not feasible for applicants of disadvantaged backgrounds.

 

[Engrailed]

I've noticed the same thing too. Despite efforts targeted at diversity, the medical school application process, especially at the top medical schools, is intrinsically designed to favor people from specific backgrounds of privilege and prestige. I don't believe it's causation, but it's definitely a correlation because as mentioned before, prestige breeds prestige and wealth provides opportunities to stand out that were not feasible for applicants of disadvantaged backgrounds.

Whereever I land this cycle (if I should be so blessed to land ANYWHERE), 10+ years down the line when I climb out of the med school debt, you can bet that I will make even a small donation to my undergrad alma mater (a public institution)-perhaps.. directly to the prehealth office 🙂

 

[MDToBe1!]

This is one reason why I want to create a small endowment at my undergrad down the road specifically for premed scholarships. My school gets an applicant with a 521 equivalent MCAT like once every 30 years....and we have a success rate of like 33% between both MD and DO....Us underserved schools need MUCH more support to yield the successful students I know that we can.

You know, I've always wanted to do something similar to this within my own community - create some sort of scholarship program to pave the way for disadvantaged applicants and give them more of a shot at the top medical schools.

 

[MDToBe1!]

Whereever I land this cycle (if I should be so blessed to land ANYWHERE), 10+ years down the line when I climb out of the med school debt, you can bet that I will make even a small donation to my undergrad alma mater (a public institution)-perhaps.. directly to the prehealth office 🙂

SAME! 🙂 I'm glad to see aspiring physicians with a sense of responsibility for their communities. I love it! Let's get in, people!

 

[907914]

Does anyone know if one can get a KH acceptance but a Stanford Pre or post-interview rejection? I cannot imagine that a KH level applicant would get a Stanford rejection, but anyone know?

 

[jecki46]

Does anyone know if one can get a KH acceptance but a Stanford Pre or post-interview rejection? I cannot imagine that a KH level applicant would get a Stanford rejection, but anyone know?

No they say on website you have to first be accepted to the graduate program you are applying to.