Late COMLEX PE fail...what do I do?

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I just found out today that I failed my COMLEX 2 PE. I dont know why, I felt fairly confident in my encounters. I am applying to EM with 11 interviews, 3 of which are in the AOA. How will this affect my chances of getting ranked? Will I even be able to have a passing score released in time? Am I totally screwed?...help
 
Also, will programs rank me without having a PE score at all assuming it was never released?
 
Sorry this is happening to you.

My understanding is AOA programs don't rank unless you have it in by the day the list is submitted.

Your school probably has a cutoff date too for when it must be passed. Talk to them because if you don't meet that requirement, they may not allow you to graduate and delay a year for you.
 
Sorry this is happening to you.

My understanding is AOA programs don't rank unless you have it in by the day the list is submitted.

Your school probably has a cutoff date too for when it must be passed. Talk to them because if you don't meet that requirement, they may not allow you to graduate and delay a year for you.


So does that mean I should cancel my AOA interviews because there is no way I can get a passing score in on time for them? Am I at serious risk of not matching because I cant get a PE retake in on time?
 
So does that mean I should cancel my AOA interviews because there is no way I can get a passing score in on time for them? Am I at serious risk of not matching because I cant get a PE retake in on time?
I can't tell you what to do. I would recommend reaching out to these programs. They'll find out about the fail anyway. Maybe one program would be willing to make an exception. You never know unless you ask

If I were you, I'd be looking at that calendar like a hawk and calling NBOME every day to see if a spot opens up for retake

Are you in danger of not matching? Sorry I can't sugar coat it, but the answer is yes
 
So does that mean I should cancel my AOA interviews because there is no way I can get a passing score in on time for them? Am I at serious risk of not matching because I cant get a PE retake in on time?
Agree with above, I would focus on your acgme programs. Got to get that pass in as soon as possible.
 
So I scheduled a retake in early January because that was the soonest available. I called up all the programs I interviewed at to see if having a PE score on file was a requirement to get ranked and all that answered my call said yes. There is a small chance that I could get a passing score back before the Febuary 21st deadline.

My next question is what happens if I simply do not get a passing score by the time of the match? Do I even have a chance to SOAP into something without a PE score? Will any program take someone without a passing PE?

I'm totally bewildered and I dont understand how I never knew the PE was a pseudo-requirement for match list ranking, let alone what I actually did wrong to fail it.
 
So I scheduled a retake in early January because that was the soonest available. I called up all the programs I interviewed at to see if having a PE score on file was a requirement to get ranked and all that answered my call said yes. There is a small chance that I could get a passing score back before the Febuary 21st deadline.

My next question is what happens if I simply do not get a passing score by the time of the match? Do I even have a chance to SOAP into something without a PE score? Will any program take someone without a passing PE?

I'm totally bewildered and I dont understand how I never knew the PE was a pseudo-requirement for match list ranking, let alone what I actually did wrong to fail it.
No, you cannot match with a failed PE score into SOAP. You also need to contact your school about graduation. I know my school wouldn't allow you to graduate if you didn't retake it before a certain deadline.

Looking at the released deadline it looks like the earliest you can get your score back is in March: Score Release Dates — NBOME this means you effictively have no chance to match in either AOA or ACGME as lists will have been submitted in late february.
 
I see one seat available in chicago on the 11th. You better go take that if you want that score released before the deadline

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You clicked to reschedule or are you using the PE search tool?
 
Helppppppppppppp. Why isnt that date open to me?


I did the regular search tool. Should I try rechedule?


Why isnt it showing up for me?
I would, although I can see it in the search for pe tool

I burned 50 dollars trying to reschedule and the date still wasnt open. Someone please help me understand what I'm doing wrong.
 
I'm looking at right now, good sir. Are you sure you picked chicago (maybe in your haste you picked the pa location)?

I am sure it is in Chicago, I cant understand what is happening. This is a nightmare, WHY CANT I SEE THIS!
 
That is so strange. I'm so sorry dude. I'd call first thing when they open! Hopefully you can snag it/ get it figured out with them on the phone!! Best of luck, sir.

Thank you I guess thats the only thing I can do. I'm so full of stress I dont understand why this is happening to me. If anyone knows why some dates wouldnt be available to me but they would to others please tell me.
 
OP better try hard to get his/her PE result in before ROL submission deadline. The SOAP is no joke... and your best chance to SOAP will be in FM/IM.

Sorry this is happening to you!
 
Thank you I guess thats the only thing I can do. I'm so full of stress I dont understand why this is happening to me. If anyone knows why some dates wouldnt be available to me but they would to others please tell me.
Theres no reason. We have people with it scheduled like me who can see it, people who have taken it in the past can see it. You just have to call. The good thing is that I still see it available right now still.
 
So thank you to everyone that helped me through this. I called 3 times this morning. The first two times they were adamant that no PE dates in December were open. The 3rd time they realized someone had cancelled on the date I said they did and the NBOME gave me the spot on December 11th. I wouldn’t have had the opportunity to do this were it not for the help of everyone on this thread. Thank you all tremendously for helping some random guy on the internet. now I just need to pass this one...
 
So thank you to everyone that helped me through this. I called 3 times this morning. The first two times they were adamant that no PE dates in December were open. The 3rd time they realized someone had cancelled on the date I said they did and the NBOME gave me the spot on December 11th. I wouldn’t have had the opportunity to do this were it not for the help of everyone on this thread. Thank you all tremendously for helping some random guy on the internet. now I just need to pass this one...

Have you contacted anyone at your school about this? At the schools I have worked at students are not allowed to just reschedule board exams after failures (including the PE) on their own without approval from, at the very least, one of the Deans. They may have a required remediation process to help you get ready. I suspect they will try to work with you because of the urgency, but I would NOT just retake it without speaking to anyone at your school. It could result in disciplinary action.

PE remediations are usually in-person retraining from clinical faculty who are experts in the area, and typically don't take long (it can be done in a day), but there is not much time left if that is a requirement.
 
Have you contacted anyone at your school about this? At the schools I have worked at students are not allowed to just reschedule board exams after failures (including the PE) on their own without approval from, at the very least, one of the Deans. They may have a required remediation process to help you get ready. I suspect they will try to work with you because of the urgency, but I would NOT just retake it without speaking to anyone at your school. It could result in disciplinary action.

PE remediations are usually in-person retraining from clinical faculty who are experts in the area, and typically don't take long (it can be done in a day), but there is not much time left if that is a requirement.
Good point! If anything the remediation can only help.
 
So thank you to everyone that helped me through this. I called 3 times this morning. The first two times they were adamant that no PE dates in December were open. The 3rd time they realized someone had cancelled on the date I said they did and the NBOME gave me the spot on December 11th. I wouldn’t have had the opportunity to do this were it not for the help of everyone on this thread. Thank you all tremendously for helping some random guy on the internet. now I just need to pass this one...
Go kill it son, look at the threads here for tips and watch the kaufmann review videos.
 
Have you contacted anyone at your school about this? At the schools I have worked at students are not allowed to just reschedule board exams after failures (including the PE) on their own without approval from, at the very least, one of the Deans. They may have a required remediation process to help you get ready. I suspect they will try to work with you because of the urgency, but I would NOT just retake it without speaking to anyone at your school. It could result in disciplinary action.

PE remediations are usually in-person retraining from clinical faculty who are experts in the area, and typically don't take long (it can be done in a day), but there is not much time left if that is a requirement.[/QUOTE

Given the urgency of this situation, I would rather ask forgiveness than permission. Other students from my school that failed state they were contacted immediately the day of but I still havent heard anything back yet from them so I think I'm on my own. I would be happy to do a remediation but there are only 2 weeks left of available dates and I was EXTREMELY lucky to have gotten a cancellation. I may hear from them in the future but taking it now is worth it wouldnt you say?
 
I would still give them a heads up to make sure they dont just remotely cancel you. But I agree with your thinking. You should ask the other students who failed if they had to do anything first tho.
 

I think you are making a big mistake, for several reasons. If indeed you know others who have failed and were contacted immediately, it indicates to me your school has a process for dealing with this -- it is entirely possible the person who keeps track of this is not in the office, plus it has only been two days. Certainly it depends on your school and who you are dealing with, but it could involve disciplinary action. Your words suggest that you know the school should be in touch, but you have made no effort to reach out to them. Given the "urgency" of the situation, it appears as though you are specifically avoiding their possible input (why would you not immediately try and contact them?) Are you aware of what they normally require (if anything) of students who fail the PE?

Additionally, a fact that it seems people are overlooking, is you FAILED -- I realize there is a certain amount of subjectivity in grading the PE, but when you say you have no idea why you failed, but want to retake it next week -- this is not good thinking. You are panicking and reacting in defense mode, and you should really seek some advice. A failure indicates a deficit of some kind, and the fact that you do not know what this is, is a big problem. While I do not know exactly how your strategy of "asking for forgiveness" will work with your particular school, I am willing to bet they will be especially unforgiving if you schedule and retake it without their knowledge and then fail again.

At the very least, I suggest you read your student handbook to see if there is any language dealing with this situation. If it is blatantly unclear, you may have a defense. If it outlines a process, and you are not following it, I would expect to hear from your disciplinary committee. At the schools I have been at these committees deal with all board exam failures as well.

That is my 2 cents!
 
I agree with ProfAnon on this one... I've seen the PE exam derail a number of good students because they did not adequately prepare for this exam. You need to increase your competencies in both the Biomedical and Humanistic domains. Work on preparing efficient Soap notes, making a correct differential diagnosis, etc. You should take the time to review the Kaufmann videos, and I believe this is the best PE review class which is out there.

PE Prep Course | West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine

The problem is, if you rush to retake this exam without adequate preparation, you will fail again. Then you will find yourself in a even worse situation than you are now.
 
I agree with ProfAnon on this one... I've seen the PE exam derail a number of good students because they did not adequately prepare for this exam. You need to increase your competencies in both the Biomedical and Humanistic domains. Work on preparing efficient Soap notes, making a correct differential diagnosis, etc. You should take the time to review the Kaufmann videos, and I believe this is the best PE review class which is out there.

PE Prep Course | West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine

The problem is, if you rush to retake this exam without adequate preparation, you will fail again. Then you will find yourself in a even worse situation than you are now.
He has no choice, his only shot at matching is that slot next week. If he waits the scores won't be in and he won't match (likely) anyway.
 
So thank you to everyone that helped me through this. I called 3 times this morning. The first two times they were adamant that no PE dates in December were open. The 3rd time they realized someone had cancelled on the date I said they did and the NBOME gave me the spot on December 11th. I wouldn’t have had the opportunity to do this were it not for the help of everyone on this thread. Thank you all tremendously for helping some random guy on the internet. now I just need to pass this one...
You will pass it. You will match. Good luck!
 
I would agree with above IF it wasn’t so close to not being able to match. This is a time for act now and beg for forgiveness later.
 
Have we talked about why you failed and I missed it?
Humanistic or biomechanical?

I get why you’re rushing into this, I probably would too. But do you have a plan to not fail?
 
I think you are making a big mistake, for several reasons. If indeed you know others who have failed and were contacted immediately, it indicates to me your school has a process for dealing with this -- it is entirely possible the person who keeps track of this is not in the office, plus it has only been two days. Certainly it depends on your school and who you are dealing with, but it could involve disciplinary action. Your words suggest that you know the school should be in touch, but you have made no effort to reach out to them. Given the "urgency" of the situation, it appears as though you are specifically avoiding their possible input (why would you not immediately try and contact them?) Are you aware of what they normally require (if anything) of students who fail the PE?

Additionally, a fact that it seems people are overlooking, is you FAILED -- I realize there is a certain amount of subjectivity in grading the PE, but when you say you have no idea why you failed, but want to retake it next week -- this is not good thinking. You are panicking and reacting in defense mode, and you should really seek some advice. A failure indicates a deficit of some kind, and the fact that you do not know what this is, is a big problem. While I do not know exactly how your strategy of "asking for forgiveness" will work with your particular school, I am willing to bet they will be especially unforgiving if you schedule and retake it without their knowledge and then fail again.

At the very least, I suggest you read your student handbook to see if there is any language dealing with this situation. If it is blatantly unclear, you may have a defense. If it outlines a process, and you are not following it, I would expect to hear from your disciplinary committee. At the schools I have been at these committees deal with all board exam failures as well.

That is my 2 cents!

Anything beyond 2-3 days of studying has massive diminishing returns. The reality is OP pulled the bad card and failed. The NBOME throws some darts and those who get hit are required to pay another 1300$. It has nothing to do with competency.
 
Have we talked about why you failed and I missed it?
Humanistic or biomechanical?

I get why you’re rushing into this, I probably would too. But do you have a plan to not fail?
This is important to address.

OP should also know that many cases are "repeats" from other testing days, so if OP remembers the cases he got, he should practice those with a friend that passed the exam. Practice a few more days with a friend and it should be enough to get a pass.
 
So thank you to everyone that helped me through this. I called 3 times this morning. The first two times they were adamant that no PE dates in December were open. The 3rd time they realized someone had cancelled on the date I said they did and the NBOME gave me the spot on December 11th. I wouldn’t have had the opportunity to do this were it not for the help of everyone on this thread. Thank you all tremendously for helping some random guy on the internet. now I just need to pass this one...


Remmeber this when aoa and whatever other subsidy of the DO mafia comes asking for money.

They can all go to a warm place



They got the nut to fail people but won’t put effort in to make more spots with all the new do school openings





U got this bro
 
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I think you are making a big mistake, for several reasons. If indeed you know others who have failed and were contacted immediately, it indicates to me your school has a process for dealing with this -- it is entirely possible the person who keeps track of this is not in the office, plus it has only been two days. Certainly it depends on your school and who you are dealing with, but it could involve disciplinary action. Your words suggest that you know the school should be in touch, but you have made no effort to reach out to them. Given the "urgency" of the situation, it appears as though you are specifically avoiding their possible input (why would you not immediately try and contact them?) Are you aware of what they normally require (if anything) of students who fail the PE?

Additionally, a fact that it seems people are overlooking, is you FAILED -- I realize there is a certain amount of subjectivity in grading the PE, but when you say you have no idea why you failed, but want to retake it next week -- this is not good thinking. You are panicking and reacting in defense mode, and you should really seek some advice. A failure indicates a deficit of some kind, and the fact that you do not know what this is, is a big problem. While I do not know exactly how your strategy of "asking for forgiveness" will work with your particular school, I am willing to bet they will be especially unforgiving if you schedule and retake it without their knowledge and then fail again.

At the very least, I suggest you read your student handbook to see if there is any language dealing with this situation. If it is blatantly unclear, you may have a defense. If it outlines a process, and you are not following it, I would expect to hear from your disciplinary committee. At the schools I have been at these committees deal with all board exam failures as well.

That is my 2 cents!
Have you taken the PE yet?
 
No. Have you suffered from every malady that you hope to help your patients with?

The PE was started as an English speaking exam and is now just a way to charge medical students more money. To defend their need for the test, they fail 0-1 students each test day. These people have no deficits just were the lucky of the draw.
 
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