LCME accreditation

[Dr Trek 1]

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Since DO schools are not LCME accredited, can DOs apply to residency programs that specifically state that applicants must
"Have graduated from an LCME (U.S. or Canadian) accredited medical school"?

I guess my question is that if DOs are not mentioned on the application page, is it assumed that they also accept AOA accredited DO school applicants?

Thanks.

 

[DireWolf]

I have never heard of any residency programs using the LCME card to deny DO students a residency spot. Basically, if they don't like DOs, they just don't offer them interviews.

The LCME card gets used when DO students try to do visiting rotations at some allopathic schools. There are some schools notorious for this.

 

[Dr Trek 1]

I have never heard of any residency programs using the LCME card to deny DO students a residency spot. Basically, if they don't like DOs, they just don't offer them interviews.

The LCME card gets used when DO students try to do visiting rotations at some allopathic schools. There are some schools notorious for this.

Care to share which schools?

 

[DireWolf]

Care to share which schools?

The ones I know for sure:
U. of Virginia
U. of Maryland
Vanderbilt (although the anesthesia program does not follow the rule)
Stanford or UCSF or both.
Duke
U. of Pittsburgh (although I have heard that they changed this rule last year after some legal battle with AOA)
U. of Iowa

 

[Claymore]

Yeah, I've never heard of any residency program saying something like that. Even the hospitals mentioned in the post by DireWolf will take DOs as residents...I have no idea why they wouldn't take the students.

 

[DireWolf]

Yeah, I've never heard of any residency program saying something like that. Even the hospitals mentioned in the post by DireWolf will take DOs as residents...I have no idea why they wouldn't take the students.

The irony is that every one of those schools has at least one DO resident in the mix somewhere. UCSF may be the only exception.

 

[Flea girl]

The ones I know for sure:
U. of Virginia
U. of Maryland
Vanderbilt (although the anesthesia program does not follow the rule)
Stanford or UCSF or both.
Duke
U. of Pittsburgh (although I have heard that they changed this rule last year after some legal battle with AOA)
U. of Iowa

The Med school in Denver, CO charges DO students $1,000 (for in state) and $2,000 (for out of state) to do rotations at their hospital. Needless to say, NOT very DO friendly.

 

[drusso]

The ones I know for sure:
U. of Virginia
U. of Maryland
Vanderbilt (although the anesthesia program does not follow the rule)
Stanford or UCSF or both.
Duke
U. of Pittsburgh (although I have heard that they changed this rule last year after some legal battle with AOA)
U. of Iowa

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[newyorkcougar]

The difference in fees for DO students and MD students at CU Denver is eliminated if you go through the Colorado Osteopahtic Medical Society's education center. There is restricted eiligibility, but those DO students pay the same as the MD students.

There are lots of places where DO students are treated differently from DO residents. At St Vincent's in Manhattan, for example, DO students are not allowed to rotate. However, St Vincent's accepts many DO's into their residency program. Their reasoning is that when they used to allow DO rotations, NYCOM flooded their program and they were training more DOs than MDs. That seemed backwards to them since they aren't an osteopathic training institution. They have no prejudice against DOs, they just wanted to be able to ensure MD spots. I imagine other programs have similar policies and reasons. It isn't always just prejudice...sometimes it is logistics.

 

[Taus]

The ones I know for sure:
U. of Virginia
U. of Maryland
Vanderbilt (although the anesthesia program does not follow the rule)
Stanford or UCSF or both.
Duke
U. of Pittsburgh (although I have heard that they changed this rule last year after some legal battle with AOA)
U. of Iowa

Don't know about the others...but PCOM has UPMC on its list of affiliated rotation sites

 

[DireWolf]

Don't know about the others...but PCOM has UPMC on its list of affiliated rotation sites

You mean the mothership Presbyterian/Montefiore? Or the statellites of Shadyshide, St. Margaret, etc?

Either way, that's awesome. I wanted to do an elective at the mothership, but when I applied they were not accepting DO students for rotations. I'm glad they changed their policy recently. It's a worldclass institution.

 

[Flea girl]

The difference in fees for DO students and MD students at CU Denver is eliminated if you go through the Colorado Osteopahtic Medical Society's education center. There is restricted eiligibility, but those DO students pay the same as the MD students.

There are lots of places where DO students are treated differently from DO residents. At St Vincent's in Manhattan, for example, DO students are not allowed to rotate. However, St Vincent's accepts many DO's into their residency program. Their reasoning is that when they used to allow DO rotations, NYCOM flooded their program and they were training more DOs than MDs. That seemed backwards to them since they aren't an osteopathic training institution. They have no prejudice against DOs, they just wanted to be able to ensure MD spots. I imagine other programs have similar policies and reasons. It isn't always just prejudice...sometimes it is logistics.

Yes, but there are stimpulations...such as your school has to be involved with the Colorado Society (ie Western, KCOM, and Touro these 3 only). Otherwise you still have to pay the fee. From what I have heard from other DO students that have rotated up in Denver,(I will be clear that this it was was told to me by another student who did a few rotations in Denver, not myself)that it was NOT very DO friendly in Denver.

 

[Idiopathic]

No program will ever say outright that DO's cant get a residency there (no de jure segregation), but some will say internally that DO's cant get a residency there (de facto segregation)

The LCME accreditation has to do only with rotating medical students. And actually, Ive been told that non-LCME students can rotate through these instituions but must only observe (no writing in charts, no procedures, no decisions)