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I thought it would be interesting to hear from everyone about their LEAST favorite pre req's. You know, the one's that have made you want to drop out and never come back, curl up into the fetal position on the library floor, cry in public, etc etc

Why was it your least favorite? In retrospect do you think there's anything more you could have done to make it easier on yourself? Were there any tools (books, websites, studying habits, etc) that helped you get through it?

I am just embarking on my pre-req journey and thought this thread would be a great way to gain some insight.
 
I am actually just starting out as well but I am taking gen chem right now and personally it is kicking my ass. I also think that the prof's at my school make it harder because they barely curve. They scale the grades a bit initially but there is no curve based on a class average or anything. A lot of people have actually withdrawn from this class.
I think chem is gonna be hard any where you go just pray you get a prof that curves well, which most do I think.
 
I thought it would be interesting to hear from everyone about their LEAST favorite pre req's. You know, the one's that have made you want to drop out and never come back, curl up into the fetal position on the library floor, cry in public, etc etc

Why was it your least favorite? In retrospect do you think there's anything more you could have done to make it easier on yourself? Were there any tools (books, websites, studying habits, etc) that helped you get through it?

I am just embarking on my pre-req journey and thought this thread would be a great way to gain some insight.

ORGANIC CHEMISTRY!! all the freakin' way. I thought Gen Chem was hard until I took orgo. Honestly, and i'm not over exaggerating it was the worse year of my life. I got a C- minus both semesters and I'm lucky I even got that. It was my least fav cause my undergrad made everything difficult and I'm not a visual person let alone a chemistry person. My brain perfers biology. There wasn't anything I could have done to make it easier unfortunately. I tried my best and got a crappy result, but in the end it made me stronger. I almost gave up my pre-vet dream because of orgo and am glad that I didn't. C-'s and all I have applied this year and pray so hard that they see past that and accept me for the other great things i've accomplished. So I guess my only advice to you is that no matter how hard it gets...DON'T GIVE UP ON THE DREAM! 😀
 
BIOCHEM, hate biochem!!!!

reason: it was totally the teacher. stupid prissy b#%^$ pardon my language, i still have anger towards her. Our exams were multiple choice, 25 questions for each exam. if you missed more than 2 questions u were at a B. The whole class was failing even more than in my gen chem AND orgo classes. she taught the material sooo poorly, i basically taught myself the whole class. Even with my As in chem and bio, i got a C in biochem, im lucky i even passed... it was close. The worst part was i signed up with her because she had been teaching bchm for a couple yrs so i thought she was good, the other teacher was new and i didnt want to take a chance with a new teacher. In the other class, 50% of the students got As, no joke. Its almost pathetic how easy the other class was, i bet the kids didnt learn anything but they are sooo lucky their schools are seeing an A on their transcripts for bchm
 
Biochemistry, and not for the sake of it being hard material, but because of the brutal exams. It's not enough to memorize all the cycles and the structures and the interactions and structural changes, products, reactants, cofactors, blah blah blah, that in itself would be a course, but the exam is a walloper!

Our professors love to give us wickedly evil questions like "If you put this product in, a compound made of X, Y, and Z structures, and it was metabolized by this special enzyme at this age of the Krebs cycle, where in the body would it be expressed, and where did it gain the W structure?"

"If you were to label the 2' hydroxyl group during glycolosis, and started with X amount of glucose, how many product molecules would you see and where would the labeled carbons end up?"

Which is why, after the first two exams had averages of 41 and 32, respectively, out of 100, I dropped the course. :laugh: I'll be taking it this Summer, so hopefully I can study the insane conceptual stuff they want you to magically be able to do.
 
biochem for sure! i hated that class with a passion. It was just so much memorization that I really found pointless. hopefully vet school biochem will be a little better
 
IMO, physics and gen chem. I can not stand equations and the "plug and chug" stuff. Not to mention my physics prof (had the same one both semesters) refused to explain anything. He kept writing on the board: "you have to connect equations, graphs and English they make up a triangle. If you can not convert the equations or graphs to English, you will not do well." But, if anyone asked him to explain he would tell them to look it up in the book which was VERY difficult to read. So very frustrating. I basically just guessed and pulled off a bunch of C's and with the curve I got a B both semesters. 😀

I actually like organic chem better than gen chem. Not so many equations, just a lot of concepts.

And I am a nerd but I loved biochem. 😍 Even if that prof. couldn't write an exam to save his life! :laugh:
 
YIKES! Bio chem! I haven't even thought that far ahead. I'm stuck on worrying about gen chem and orgo.

Thank you twelvetigers. Very informative thread! Sorry I didn't find it earlier, there's just so many threads to sift through!
 
any class that's designed to weed students out rather than educate them. likewise, any class that ignores current learning theory in favour of 'that's how we've always done it, so why change now?'

which, in my not so humble opinion, is most of them.

the best thing you can do for yourself is to study for understanding. if there are homework problems, do every last one of them and understand the solutions. if there aren't, find some. ask to see how what you're being fed is used in a real-world context. repetition, repetition, repetition.

it's energetically expensive, but so worth it in the long run.

I thought it would be interesting to hear from everyone about their LEAST favorite pre req's. You know, the one's that have made you want to drop out and never come back, curl up into the fetal position on the library floor, cry in public, etc etc

Why was it your least favorite? In retrospect do you think there's anything more you could have done to make it easier on yourself? Were there any tools (books, websites, studying habits, etc) that helped you get through it?

I am just embarking on my pre-req journey and thought this thread would be a great way to gain some insight.
 
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I HATED gen chem I. I only hated the second semester less because I managed a B in the class... But I had the same a-hole professor each time, who used to tell us we weren't smart enough compared to him with his 2 PhD's in chemistry and physics and blablabla. Shame, because the subject was interesting enough. Other then that, our averages were usually in the low 40s, and the curve sucked. Most people were happy if they got C+s 🙁

I enjoyed orgo, and actually did well in one semester, but the other semester was SO HARD!!! AHH! My professor was great, but was in love with synthesis problems (his research was all about synthesizing perfumes), and the amount of memorization of over 100 kinds of reactions along with the extensive creativity necessary to actually come up with various giant molecules he wanted us to synthesize... ugh. The exams were 2/3 synthesis problems... and there wasn't much partial credit, so if you made a mistake along the way then you were screwed. That's the one class where it didn't seem to matter how much I tried, I just couldn't improve 🙁 I found the subject quite cool though, just not my forte. And the curve wasn't great either. Although I guess my school in general wants most kids to get C+'s in science classes so it's been a common class average in all the science courses I've taken.

I personally really enjoyed physics because mechanistic things come more easily to me, as I can apply logic and figure the problems out even without memorizing the correct equations... rather than memorizing relationships that aren't intuitive at all. My teachers for I and II were crap, so I ended up not coming for about 90% of the classes and taught myself the stuff from the textbook / wikipedia instead... but I tend to learn better that way anyway, I have come to realize.
 
For me, it was a toss up between physics and O chem. My previous exposure to physics was really really weak. I ended up getting together with a guy who was studying Chem Eng in order to understand the theory part. I think the labs are what kept my head above water. I had no problems there. O chem was just the normal nightmare. My rxns never generated the calculated amount of product. It didn't help that it was a 7:30 AM class.
 
Biochemistry, and not for the sake of it being hard material, but because of the brutal exams. It's not enough to memorize all the cycles and the structures and the interactions and structural changes, products, reactants, cofactors, blah blah blah, that in itself would be a course, but the exam is a walloper!

Our professors love to give us wickedly evil questions like "If you put this product in, a compound made of X, Y, and Z structures, and it was metabolized by this special enzyme at this age of the Krebs cycle, where in the body would it be expressed, and where did it gain the W structure?"

"If you were to label the 2' hydroxyl group during glycolosis, and started with X amount of glucose, how many product molecules would you see and where would the labeled carbons end up?"
This, to a T. My prof LOVED questions like "I tag the second carbon of the glucose molecule before it enters into Glycolysis, where will this carbon be when it enters the TCA? When it exits? When it exits the ETC?" Ungh...that and memorizing the synthesis and degradation of all 20 amino acids. Enough to make you want to kill a man....or a prof. 😉

Second least favorite pre-req was Genetics. So boring. And it's a shame because it should be an interesting class, as it's an interesting subject, but my prof murdered that subject in terms of interest.



I'm one of the weirdos that actually enjoyed Ochem. Well enjoyed might be a bit...over the top, but there were definitely classes I disliked more. I thought synthesis problems were fun puzzles. Another clue that I am insane. :laugh:
 
At the school I'm at now for the semester, Orgo is INSANELY easy. Too bad I already took a full year of it. :lame:

Chem was definitely a weeder class at my school. Over half the students dropped out almost every semester. And of the ones that stayed, alot got Ds and Fs. So I'm happy I survived it. Still have biochem to go, though.
 
Physics and, for those that require it, CALCULUS. :scared: Physics was boring, I had awful professors, and I am pretty sure I learned less than nothing (if that's possible). Calculus made me want to cry/rip my hair out/quit pre-vet and move to majoring in theater on a routine basis. Ugh.
 
I pretty much hated Orgo, as well. The teacher I had was pretty hard, and there was a LOT of work to do, which in some respects was good because it forced you to keep up. We had a quiz every Monday, which we got back on Tuesday and had to correct and turn back in to get full credit. There was also a homework assignment every week. Plus (I think) 3 exams. It was killer. I was working second shift at a busy emergency/referral clinic at the time and would sit upstairs in the break room and work on assignments during my lunch break and after work.

During my first quarter there were 2 sections offered - one with this professor and one with a grad student. The grad student's section was sooo much easier (I had a friend taking it). Second quarter there was just the one professor (no grad student) and almost all the people that were in the grad student's section first quarter had to drop because they had NO idea what she was talking about.

Biochem at my school was pretty easy. Physics was, well, physics, except that the professor for that class didn't believe in calculators - he said we were too reliant on them, and he wanted us to think about our answers and be sure they made sense. So our options were 1) slide rule, 2) estimate and do the math that way. I understand his point, but it was really pretty ridiculous.

Oh, and NittanyKitty - I hated Calculus as well (took it in my first round of undergrad, THANK GOD Ohio State does not require it as a prerequisite). It's funny that you said what you said, because I DID major in theatre in my first round of undergrad! 😀
 
For me it was calculus. I did not have a super good math background in highschool and thought it would be 100% ok to take it without taking pre calc first WRONG!!! Oh so wrong.

Add to the fact that I took it first semester Freshman year and was 1500 miles away from my family for the first time and it was horrific. Not to mention the prof had an accent and stuttered heavily so he was basically unintelligible.

Luckily for me he divided up the entire class into halves and gave the top half a B+ and the bottom half a B-. I took the B- and ran. I have never been so happy to get a B- in my entire life.

Have biochem next semester and it has been 9 years since I've taken Organic. THAT should be fun...😱
 
I hated calculus so bad, but luckily my ex boyfriend was a math major aspiring to be a teacher and he was very good at it.. So basically the only reason I passed with a B was because of him! Ex's are good for something, I suppose... Hahaha.

I thought that Orgo was my number one.. I failed the first time, and I took it over the summer.. And ended up getting a B in Orgo1 and a C+ in Orgo two. The teachers over the summer were so much better! I busted my ass..

But I would have to say now that my number one is biochem, which I'm taking (and failing) now. Bio and chem put together! Aughh! So difficult!

Originally posted by Perfbirg:
Which is why, after the first two exams had averages of 41 and 32, respectively, out of 100, I dropped the course. I'll be taking it this Summer, so hopefully I can study the insane conceptual stuff they want you to magically be able to do.

I am in the same boat as you! 36 on my first and 53 on my second.. Can't really drop the course anymore.. Drop date is long past and if I drop it, I won't have enough credits to be a full time student anymore. Sigh.
 
english/humanities! no, just kidding.
probably calculus, but o-chem is a close second. only because calculus was impossibly hard, no matter how much effort i put into the class*. with o-chem at least, i actually do okay if i spend 15+ hours studying for each exam.
haven't taken biochem or physics yet, though, so i can't compare with those two.

*when i got my final calculus exam, i thought i was going to cry (so did everyone else the class). i ended up answering only 3/4 of the problems, and spent 15 minutes writing a note on the last page to my professor saying how his tests were impossibly hard, but i did well on the homework assignments, so i feel that those should count more towards my final grade. when i got the exam back, he wrote back that he agreed about the homework and i magically got a B in the class.
 
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Wow, lots of calculus hate going on here. I had to take Calc I and II as a biology major at my school, and I found them to be the easiest pre-reqs by far (I do have a decent math background, however). I would say physics is my least favorite, followed closely by, or maybe tied with, organic. Thank god for curves in physics 😉

I'm in a biochem right now and its pretty damn hard, but at least somewhat interesting compared to ochem/physics.
 
english/humanities! no, just kidding.


haha for me english is definitely my least favorite.

I tested out of my universities english writing requirements when I was a freshman. Unfortunately that doesn't show up on my transcripts so now I'm having to take English composition. I hate it. Give me science anyday. its just such a boring class. I'd rather be in the lab. I love reading but on my own terms.

I'm one of those weirdos though that enjoys Organic chemistry and Biochem so go figure.

ETA: UGH after having the most terrible week and now forgetting to submit my statistics homework by 12pm this afternoon...AGAIN....I'm going to say that online statistics is my least favorite prereq. Just terrible. mostly due to my own inability to hand in assignments on time 🙁
 
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O CHEM!!!

(although I'm taking biochem next semester, so we'll see how that goes.)

I didn't realize that I actually enjoyed gen chem until I got to OChem and I love me some physics! Numbers are good! I didn't have to take math in college, but I am thankful because my school has most math classes at a giant scary computer lab with no teacher... No thank you!
 
Physics II, no question. It was the ONLY course I ever considered dropping because I was afraid of the grade I might get. I'm glad I didn't drop, though, because I ended up with a B. Still, evil class.
 
Calculus....that class was awful, I ended up withdrawing the first time, then took it over the summer and got a B+. A lot of it had to do with the proffessor. Gen Chem was hard at my school, I liked the class but it was really hard, I spent so much time studying it. That being said I am taking organic now and LOVE it! There is virtually no math except in lab and even then it is easy. I love that class!
 
I thought it would be interesting to hear from everyone about their LEAST favorite pre req's. You know, the one's that have made you want to drop out and never come back, curl up into the fetal position on the library floor, cry in public, etc etc

Physics, second semester in particular... made me want to do all of those. It did make me cry in public once actually.

Orgo was hard on me too, I wound up taking an NC and retaking orgo 2.
 
haha for me english is definitely my least favorite.

I tested out of my universities english writing requirements when I was a freshman. Unfortunately that doesn't show up on my transcripts so now I'm having to take English composition. I hate it. Give me science anyday. its just such a boring class. I'd rather be in the lab. I love reading but on my own terms.

I'm one of those weirdos though that enjoys Organic chemistry and Biochem so go figure.

My college requires everyone to take "humanities 110" freshman year, which covers ancient greece and rome, and forces you to write papers (and is our version of english composition). So it was actually really challenging, but i really enjoyed it. If vet schools don't accept this as a replacement for english comp (about to email/call them soon), I am going to be stabbing my eyes out if I have to go sit through one of those classes at a community college. "English composition" alone sounds horribly boring, so I don't envy you.
 
I don't discriminate, I'm an equal opportunity hater.
Orgo was horrible, especially semester 2. Bchem was pretty blah too. Calc was an nightmare. Stat was okay, boring, but simple. Did okay in general bio/gen chem/anatomy/physics.
Really liked genetics, and the professor, did well in that one.
My school required nutritional biochem in addition to regular biochem, which was interesting, but tough.
 
BIOCHEM!! b/c my professor is a d-bag.
 
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Organic chemistry, physics II, and cell biology in undergrad and biochemistry in grad school. Just for the record, I HATE HATE HATE HATE HISTOLOGY in vet school. ARGH!!!!!!1111!!!1!!! :diebanana:
 
ooo...I love calculus...I didnt like Gen Chem. It was definately a weed out class at my school. which I really don't understand because we pay good money to go to college we should be taught...so we can achieve our goals, not have our dreams stomped on my professors who want to weed people out.🙁
 
ooo...I love calculus...I didnt like Gen Chem. It was definately a weed out class at my school. which I really don't understand because we pay good money to go to college we should be taught...so we can achieve our goals, not have our dreams stomped on my professors who want to weed people out.🙁

Keep in mind that maybe 5-10% TOPS of what you have to know in organic, general chem, and physics is even remotely useful in vet school and in your career. But vet school is ridiculously difficult and the simple fact is not everyone is academically cut out for it. I'm just barely! :laugh: I guess they are sort of being "nice" by making you switch to another major if you can't pass muster first year or second year of undergrad instead of waiting til the first or second year of vet school? Academic euthanasia, perhaps?
 
I guess they are sort of being "nice" by making you switch to another major if you can't pass muster first year or second year of undergrad instead of waiting til the first or second year of vet school? Academic euthanasia, perhaps?

I felt like I should comment on this. My first few years of UG grades in biology/chemistry were pretty sad. I barley was able to scrap by until I made what changes I could; from then on out it was almost all A's with a few B's in upper level bio/science grades. My vet school school saw past my rough start and gave me a chance. So here I am, a 1st year vet school student, doing perfectly fine. Working hard, yes...but, I'm glad I wasn't forced to switch my undergrad major!

Moral of the story: don't always count out the underdog. 🙂
 
Organic chemistry, physics II, and cell biology in undergrad and biochemistry in grad school. Just for the record, I HATE HATE HATE HATE HISTOLOGY in vet school. ARGH!!!!!!1111!!!1!!! :diebanana:

x3 i can only see blobs of pink stuff 😕
 
Calculus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I spent a minimum of three afternoons a week in the professor's office, often on the brink of tears from frustration, somehow managed to scrape a B by the grace of God.
Second worst: physics II. I had an awesome professor, but the class was wretched.
 
I thought that year of organic chemistry was going to kill me. I've never had a bigger ego check than that which that class provided me.
My only other complaint is the second half of general bio, where I felt that being able to identify a flower's family was not relevant to my goals. That, and the professor was a douche.
I thought Physics was awesome because it explains SO MUCH about the world, as well as for Biochem.
I plan to take as many classes as I can, like Histology and Immunology, so that maybe it will lessen the "suck" factor later.
 
My least favorite was Orgo lab.👎
My second least favorite was Orgo lecture. 👎
My third least favorite was Orgo recitation. 👎
 
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my least favorite were calculus and gen chem II. I tolerated orgo and biochem pretty well, but mainly because students around me were "dropping" like flies and I started to feel good about myself for the first time in college. Even though I only made it through with a B+ (B in orgo II)...🙁. But my major marks of shame on my transcript are pre-calc and calc. Something about math tests :scared:. If I don't know the first question, I might as well just hand in my test right then because I will start to freak out and then crash and burn. After exams, I'd see people crying all around me when they walked out. Like people did when they walked out of "Marley and me"
 
Gen Chem II. A crazy professor tested my resolve as a non-trad pre-vet. Fortunately, it was a summer class and we had a helpful textbook. Spent 3-4 hours daily teaching myself the material and somehow ended up with an A.
 
I felt like I should comment on this. My first few years of UG grades in biology/chemistry were pretty sad. I barley was able to scrap by until I made what changes I could; from then on out it was almost all A's with a few B's in upper level bio/science grades. My vet school school saw past my rough start and gave me a chance. So here I am, a 1st year vet school student, doing perfectly fine. Working hard, yes...but, I'm glad I wasn't forced to switch my undergrad major!

Moral of the story: don't always count out the underdog. 🙂

I was in a somewhat similar scenario. Got Bs in general chem I and II, got a C and C- in organic I and II respectively, a C in cell bio, and a C in physics II (but an A in physics I). I gave up on being pre-med sophomore year because I didn't think my grades were good enough (they weren't) and switched to pre-law. Kept the same major (biology) but upgraded one of my minors to a double major (religious studies, history was the other minor). I was going to dual in law school and a masters in biology, but got talked out of that at the last minute (which was a good thing), THEN switched to pre-vet in grad school. It's been a weird road. But the thing is, I'm not a great written test taker (pretty good at oral quizzing the attendings and residents like to do in rotations, I've noticed) and still near the bottom of my class, I think. Oh well. 🙄

More my point is that there's a lot of pie in the sky pre-vets and pre-meds who have a pretty dreadful GPA (I had a 3.3, so I'm not real hot to trot or anything...) that still think they are special snow flakes and deserve to be in professional school simply by effort. Unfortunately, that's not the way it works and people regularly fail out in vet school because of extenuating circumstances, they just couldn't cut it academically, or they just didn't take it seriously (had one of those in my class). It sucks, but especially if you fail out or drop out of vet school for some other reason and didn't even finish your bachelors, you have nothing for your effort. So while it's a sucky part of the system, I guess it's just that life isn't always fair and that's how it works. Bummer...
 
x3 i can only see blobs of pink stuff 😕

Yup! I'm slightly color blind (I have difficulty telling pink from purple and purple from blue sometimes), so that made histology a nightmare. Plus my slides were literally decades old and not well stained. That class was the biggest effing waste of time. I feel like if they added a little tiny bit more regular histology mixed in with abnormal histology during pathology classes, it would have been a way better use of 1.5 semesters. Learning the 10 layers of the retina? WHO THE EFF CARES EXCEPT RESEARCHERS AND *maybe* PATHOLOGISTS!?! I hate hate hate it. 😡😡😡 No, I'm not bitter or anything... 😛
 
OK, Electrophile, so how important is knowing details of DNA replication?
For the third time in my life I need to learn the process of DNA replication, and for some reason I just can never get it to stick! I think it is because I can't visually see what's happening...the cartoons in textbooks and videos just don't work for me. Does this sound familiar to anyone else?
 
OK, Electrophile, so how important is knowing details of DNA replication?
For the third time in my life I need to learn the process of DNA replication, and for some reason I just can never get it to stick! I think it is because I can't visually see what's happening...the cartoons in textbooks and videos just don't work for me. Does this sound familiar to anyone else?

So I know you asked electrophile, but I have a couple of words to say on this. Though I don't think it's super important to know this, when I took pharmacology in the 2nd year of vet school, there were a few questions on tests about where in replication a certain drug worked. And how that may or may not lead to side effects. I think it was on the oncology drugs.
 
So I haven't taken orgo or biochem just yet, but so far physics is the worst. Not because of the subject matter itself, that's really not so bad, but because listening to my physics prof talk is like listening to nails on a chalkboard. :laugh:
 
x3 i can only see blobs of pink stuff 😕

If we count electrophile... we're up to +5. I freaking HATE histology!!! The best thing though is that the coolest prof in the faculty teaches it, and so everyone goes to the lectures, as you never know what epicly funny story he's going to tell today...

Honestly, my most hated pre-req was statistics. It made me want to shoot myself - not because it was hard (it wasnt), because its so damn boring!!! Unfortunately, the further I get into clinical research, the more I wish I paid attention... *sigh* 🙁
 
OK, Electrophile, so how important is knowing details of DNA replication?
For the third time in my life I need to learn the process of DNA replication, and for some reason I just can never get it to stick! I think it is because I can't visually see what's happening...the cartoons in textbooks and videos just don't work for me. Does this sound familiar to anyone else?

Not me personally, but a lot of people I worked with as a TA for genetics had problems with this too. I managed to get a lot of people through as long as I could help them 1 on 1. What's the sticking point that you have with it?

Note: The details probably aren't extremely important unless you are planning to go further with molecular biology/genetics, but it makes understanding things like cell cycle regulation and reproduction a little easier in my opinion. Perhaps that is because I am a geneticist and thus try to relate anything and everything back to DNA in order to make myself care about it. 😉

(luckily, everything DOES relate back to DNA eventually....)
 
1. GChem...I didn't notice that I used a bad calculator for the first half of the class.
2. OChem...I liked this class more than GChem but I ended up getting a lower grade because of the final.
3. Calculus...Wasn't all that bad but I had a teacher who though she was always right

I didn't rate physics or biochem because I haven't taken them yet.
 
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