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[mcloaf]

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Read the part where I stated my goal is to be an Anesthesiologist? Not an 'easy' speciality.. The only reason I did the OP was out of CURIOSITY. Lets hope someone isn't specializing in Optometry because you need to get your eyes checked. 😀

"A plan without a goal results in frustration.."

Not to knock gas as they do very important work, but it isn't viewed as a difficult specialty. Also, optometry and ophthalmology are not the same thing.

 

[JeremiahStone]

The point is that if this is what you think about with your free time, you aren't asking the right questions. It isn't your fault. You are very early in the medical track and nobody has spent the time to explain these things to you.

1) You don't have to tell us that you are curious about something. You wouldn't be asking if you didn't want to know the answer.

2) The designation "at the hospital" is meaningless. Many physicians in a variety of specialties spend little to zero time in the hospital. Even procedure based specialties can be largely or entirely clinic based. What is a more significant measure is the raw number of hours that someone spends working vs. being completely free to do other things.

3) Salary should never be a raw variable considered for going into medicine or comparison between specialties. There is huge variation between jobs within a single specialty. There are better compensated specialties than others, but you are going to be miserable if a major motivator is money.

Just to comment on your points:

1) I put curious because SDN forums are often plagued by every-question-is-off-limits Communism.
2) Your totally right there, and I fully agree with you 🙂 Uneducated statement with the details on my part.
3) Money is not a major factor for me, again, if I wanted to make millions I already know the medical field isn't the place (or at least very rarely) My motivation is the goal of saving as well as improving the lives of others. However salary is still a considerable yet not major factor. This will be, after all, what I do for the rest of my life..😱

 

[mcloaf]

Where does "communism" keep coming from?

 

[MedPR]

Where does "communism" keep coming from?

Rules and logic exist only in communist countries. Didn't you know?

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[JeremiahStone]

 

[mcloaf]

Lawdy

 

[Spinach Dip]

Well this thread went downhill rather quickly.

 

[ChartaBona]

Not to knock gas as they do very important work, but it isn't viewed as a difficult specialty. Also, optometry and ophthalmology are not the same thing.

That's because they're good enough to make it look easy.

 

[MedPR]

Taking bets that JeremiahStone == 0topcat0

 

[mimelim]

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Sorry, I forgot to answer your original question, meant to with that post.

In no particular order and certainly not all inclusive. Trying to maximize 3 variables:

#1 Lower number of committed hours per week
#2 Increased flexibility of schedule
#3 Salary

- Dermatology
- Gastroenterology
- Allergy and Immunology
- Cosmetic Plastic Surgery
- Reproductive, Endocrine and Infertility
- Interventional Radiology

That having been said, I could design a Vascular Surgery, Orthopedic Surgery, ENT, Ophthalmology, or Sleep medicine practice that would be very outpatient based and highly compensated. But, for the most part, the previously mentioned specialties are going to be the best 'fit'.

 

[JeremiahStone]

Rules and logic exist only in communist countries. Didn't you know?

Sent from my SGH-T999 using SDN Mobile

yep

 

[JeremiahStone]

That's because they're good enough to make it look easy.

I love you, will you replace Rachel for me? 🙂

 

[JeremiahStone]

Sorry, I forgot to answer your original question, meant to with that post.

In no particular order and certainly not all inclusive. Trying to maximize 3 variables:

#1 Lower number of committed hours per week
#2 Increased flexibility of schedule
#3 Salary

- Dermatology
- Gastroenterology
- Allergy and Immunology
- Cosmetic Plastic Surgery
- Reproductive, Endocrine and Infertility
- Interventional Radiology

That having been said, I could design a Vascular Surgery, Orthopedic Surgery, ENT, Ophthalmology, or Sleep medicine practice that would be very outpatient based and highly compensated. But, for the most part, the previously mentioned specialties are going to be the best 'fit'.

lol thanks for being one of the first to actually answer it, i was beginning to think YahooAnswers was the only light.. 🙂

 

[ShenanigansMD]

Dude... Alright without me going all personal on the medical profession let me say a few things:

1. Your original post makes you sound like an a... hole who doesn't have a f... clue.
2. Communism does not apply to this discussion, at all.
3. I live in a physician family, where time is worth 3x more than money, and when you look at the profession of medicine and try to squeeze out as much profit and free time to serve your self-interests while ignoring the fact that physicians/surgeons serve their patients just as much as they serve their families means that you have a lot to learn.
4. You're young, so you have time to figure out whether or not you want to go through with this, and even I'm still trying to answer this same question during an app year where I know all the repercussions of the job can totally suck but can also pay off in ways that don't involve dollars or euros or whatever money they have in the Bahamas.
5. I shouldn't jump to conclusions on assuming you're selfish, because I am too to a degree, I just think that money and free time are terrible things to look for when pursuing this career.

 

[987439759]

Not to knock gas as they do very important work, but it isn't viewed as a difficult specialty. Also, optometry and ophthalmology are not the same thing.

I'm not in med school yet or any expert but salary usually reflects how difficult a profession is, and anesth tend to command a high one. Plus they do a lot of call. Some days might be easier than others but being an anesth on something like a AAA is no cake walk. Thats just my take on this discussion.

 

[Arbor Vitae]

Nip/tuck status

Wasn't that in Miami?

 

[tn4596]

yep

This post makes no sense

 

[ChartaBona]

This post makes no sense

I think that's the point.

 

[tn4596]

I think that's the point.

I am having a hard time following why would he put that picture there, knowing that the event took place in south Vietnam which was part of the free world... But then he might just google a random picture relating to communism and put it there...

 

[mcloaf]

I'm not in med school yet or any expert but salary usually reflects how difficult a profession is, and anesth tend to command a high one. Plus they do a lot of call. Some days might be easier than others but being an anesth on something like a AAA is no cake walk. Thats just my take on this discussion.

My understanding is that the salary is so high because they have a huge responsibility and do quite a bit of multitasking. I didn't mean to imply that it is low-intensity or low-stress/responsibility field, just that I don't believe that it's as physically or temporally demanding as some other areas. To be honest, I know it's not a job I could ever do--I feel much more comfortable working with my hands--so I have nothing but respect for them.

 

[987439759]

My understanding is that the salary is so high because they have a huge responsibility and do quite a bit of multitasking. I didn't mean to imply that it is low-intensity or low-stress/responsibility field, just that I don't believe that it's as physically or temporally demanding as some other areas. To be honest, I know it's not a job I could ever do--I feel much more comfortable working with my hands--so I have nothing but respect for them.

Same here.

 

[Law2Doc]

My understanding is that the salary is so high because they have a huge responsibility and do quite a bit of multitasking. I didn't mean to imply that it is low-intensity or low-stress/responsibility field, just that I don't believe that it's as physically or temporally demanding as some other areas. To be honest, I know it's not a job I could ever do--I feel much more comfortable working with my hands--so I have nothing but respect for them.

Salary is a function of our Medicare/insurance reimbursement structure. What they choose to reimburse and at what rates decide the money flow. Some things are probably overvalued, most are undervalued. Per procedure reimbursements generally net more money than per visit reimbursements, which is why specialties that do a lot of procedures tend to be more lucrative. So in the end there is an artificial separation between what you do and what you earn -- there isn't a good correlation between "stress" or "responsibility" or how demanding a job is and how much you make. A job with a ton of minor low stress procedures (eg derm) is going to net a lot more than something more stressful but dependent on office visits.

 

[Anon212]

It's definitely not a valid question. To ask what's the least amount of hours one has to work and make the most amount of money is pretty lazy to me. One thing is asking about lifestyle's of different specialties and another thing is asking about how to be lazy and make money.

I've seen doctors in the ED not treat incoming patients because their shift was up in half hour and they didn't want to stay later then they had to. I definitely don't want a physician working on my family or myself with this type of mentality.[/QUOTE]

This made me laugh out loud. Good luck with that.

OP: part of the problem with the question is that as others have pointed out, it depends on so many factors. Will you work academics or in the community? Which part of the country (take-home pay varies)? How procedural will your practice be? Even within anesthesia, things vary considerably- will you just be supervising CRNAs (most common practice model in the community nowadays as far as I can tell) or working your own rooms? Will you do a fellowship? Pain can be done outpatient and can be very lucrative if you do a ton of procedures, critical care has a ton of cool procedures and family interactions but the shifts are pretty rough. Also, critical care frequently works nights- that may be a plus or a minus if you want to spend time with your family.
Generally, you get what you put in. I've seen many private practice docs who work way tougher hours than academic doctors cause they have no residents around to help so they often hire midlevels and they need to cover their own medmal, overhead, etc (or their group does). They also make more money. Derm, GI, allergy etc are all generally very good fields for that balance. I'd say cosmetic PS is tough because the market isn't great for it at the moment (one of my best friends is doing plastics, and this is what she told me anyway). The market for radiology's pretty bad at the moment too (don't know about IR specifically though). So THAT'S something to consider as well- will you have a job once you're done with your training?

Better to go with what you love, prioritize as you see fit, and go from there. It's WAY too early to worry about it now, although I don't think you're the devil for thinking this way.

 

[JeremiahStone]

It's definitely not a valid question. To ask what's the least amount of hours one has to work and make the most amount of money is pretty lazy to me. One thing is asking about lifestyle's of different specialties and another thing is asking about how to be lazy and make money.

I've seen doctors in the ED not treat incoming patients because their shift was up in half hour and they didn't want to stay later then they had to. I definitely don't want a physician working on my family or myself with this type of mentality.[/QUOTE]

This made me laugh out loud. Good luck with that.

OP: part of the problem with the question is that as others have pointed out, it depends on so many factors. Will you work academics or in the community? Which part of the country (take-home pay varies)? How procedural will your practice be? Even within anesthesia, things vary considerably- will you just be supervising CRNAs (most common practice model in the community nowadays as far as I can tell) or working your own rooms? Will you do a fellowship? Pain can be done outpatient and can be very lucrative if you do a ton of procedures, critical care has a ton of cool procedures and family interactions but the shifts are pretty rough. Also, critical care frequently works nights- that may be a plus or a minus if you want to spend time with your family.
Generally, you get what you put in. I've seen many private practice docs who work way tougher hours than academic doctors cause they have no residents around to help so they often hire midlevels and they need to cover their own medmal, overhead, etc (or their group does). They also make more money. Derm, GI, allergy etc are all generally very good fields for that balance. I'd say cosmetic PS is tough because the market isn't great for it at the moment (one of my best friends is doing plastics, and this is what she told me anyway). The market for radiology's pretty bad at the moment too (don't know about IR specifically though). So THAT'S something to consider as well- will you have a job once you're done with your training?

Better to go with what you love, prioritize as you see fit, and go from there. It's WAY too early to worry about it now, although I don't think you're the devil for thinking this way.

Thanks man, im pretty much set on Anesthesiology because iv done my research and think I would enjoy the moments of complete boredom mixed with panic. But then again, im still a freshman so things will probably change. Thank you for answering my question directly and with plenty of detail 👍

 

[JeremiahStone]

I am having a hard time following why would he put that picture there, knowing that the event took place in south Vietnam which was part of the free world... But then he might just google a random picture relating to communism and put it there...

your good

 

[Sophocles]

It's definitely not a valid question. To ask what's the least amount of hours one has to work and make the most amount of money is pretty lazy to me. One thing is asking about lifestyle's of different specialties and another thing is asking about how to be lazy and make money.

I've seen doctors in the ED not treat incoming patients because their shift was up in half hour and they didn't want to stay later then they had to. I definitely don't want a physician working on my family or myself with this type of mentality.[/QUOTE]

This made me laugh out loud. Good luck with that.

OP: part of the problem with the question is that as others have pointed out, it depends on so many factors. Will you work academics or in the community? Which part of the country (take-home pay varies)? How procedural will your practice be? Even within anesthesia, things vary considerably- will you just be supervising CRNAs (most common practice model in the community nowadays as far as I can tell) or working your own rooms? Will you do a fellowship? Pain can be done outpatient and can be very lucrative if you do a ton of procedures, critical care has a ton of cool procedures and family interactions but the shifts are pretty rough. Also, critical care frequently works nights- that may be a plus or a minus if you want to spend time with your family.
Generally, you get what you put in. I've seen many private practice docs who work way tougher hours than academic doctors cause they have no residents around to help so they often hire midlevels and they need to cover their own medmal, overhead, etc (or their group does). They also make more money. Derm, GI, allergy etc are all generally very good fields for that balance. I'd say cosmetic PS is tough because the market isn't great for it at the moment (one of my best friends is doing plastics, and this is what she told me anyway). The market for radiology's pretty bad at the moment too (don't know about IR specifically though). So THAT'S something to consider as well- will you have a job once you're done with your training?

Better to go with what you love, prioritize as you see fit, and go from there. It's WAY too early to worry about it now, although I don't think you're the devil for thinking this way.

What made you laugh and good luck with what?

 

[Anon212]

What made you laugh and good luck with what?

Basically, because I don't know of anyone who doesn't do that to some extent.
It's not really a matter of laziness- ED shifts are incredibly busy and hard work, as L2D pointed out. You frequently get so busy that you don't have the time to do the paperwork- charting, checking on orders, discharges, talking to consultants who come down 3 hours after you called them, etc. You just see patient after patient, then a trauma comes in and you're busy and you get backed up again, etc. Many (most?) ED docs, at least in academia and busy community ED's, don't eat at all on shift- no time.

Because of this, most ED doctors I've seen myself don't leave their shift on time, ever. Generally, with sign-out to the next attending and finishing up all that paperwork that's accumulated during your shift, most of the ED docs I've seen leave an hour- hour and a half after their shift has ended. Some places overlap the last hour of your shift (so say, you're working from 6am to 4pm, the next guy comes in at 3pm) so that you have time to sign out and the next attending can pick up your loose ends- but many places don't have that overlap.

This means that, out of necessity, you have to triage who to see toward the end of your shift. If it's something super simple and quick that doesn't really require someone to sit around waiting for labs to come back or radiology to take you to a scan etc, great. That can be knocked out in a half hour, no problem. But anything that requires a big workup or consults to be involved or procedures (an LP to rule out meningitis, that kind of thing)- picking that up in your last half hour is just crazy. Sure, you can sign that patient out to another attending a half hour later, but what's the point? Maybe that attending would do a slightly different workup, and you run the risk of missing something in your sign out, like an allergy or something, that the new person would have caught by taking the history him/herself. During that last half hour most pick up the very high acuity stuff because someone has to, and the really simple stuff that you can discharge 10 minutes later- nothing in between. It doesn't make them bad doctors, it's just that after a busy 10 hour shift, having to stay 2 extra hours because neurosurgery hasn't come down, or you have to do an LP on a child and there's no one there to do conscious sedation is just a giant pain and unnecessary. If the patient can wait for a half hour to get a fresh attending who can follow him/her from history to dispo, it's in everyone's best interest.

 

[Sophocles]

Basically, because I don't know of anyone who doesn't do that to some extent.
It's not really a matter of laziness- ED shifts are incredibly busy and hard work, as L2D pointed out. You frequently get so busy that you don't have the time to do the paperwork- charting, checking on orders, discharges, talking to consultants who come down 3 hours after you called them, etc. You just see patient after patient, then a trauma comes in and you're busy and you get backed up again, etc. Many (most?) ED docs, at least in academia and busy community ED's, don't eat at all on shift- no time.

Because of this, most ED doctors I've seen myself don't leave their shift on time, ever. Generally, with sign-out to the next attending and finishing up all that paperwork that's accumulated during your shift, most of the ED docs I've seen leave an hour- hour and a half after their shift has ended. Some places overlap the last hour of your shift (so say, you're working from 6am to 4pm, the next guy comes in at 3pm) so that you have time to sign out and the next attending can pick up your loose ends- but many places don't have that overlap.

This means that, out of necessity, you have to triage who to see toward the end of your shift. If it's something super simple and quick that doesn't really require someone to sit around waiting for labs to come back or radiology to take you to a scan etc, great. That can be knocked out in a half hour, no problem. But anything that requires a big workup or consults to be involved or procedures (an LP to rule out meningitis, that kind of thing)- picking that up in your last half hour is just crazy. Sure, you can sign that patient out to another attending a half hour later, but what's the point? Maybe that attending would do a slightly different workup, and you run the risk of missing something in your sign out, like an allergy or something, that the new person would have caught by taking the history him/herself. During that last half hour most pick up the very high acuity stuff because someone has to, and the really simple stuff that you can discharge 10 minutes later- nothing in between. It doesn't make them bad doctors, it's just that after a busy 10 hour shift, having to stay 2 extra hours because neurosurgery hasn't come down, or you have to do an LP on a child and there's no one there to do conscious sedation is just a giant pain and unnecessary. If the patient can wait for a half hour to get a fresh attending who can follow him/her from history to dispo, it's in everyone's best interest.

Damn good write up. I appreciate the insight.

 

[Anon212]

Damn good write up. I appreciate the insight.

Sure, anytime. I didn't discover this stuff until this year so it's a very common misconception.

 

[muhali3]

Sorry, I forgot to answer your original question, meant to with that post.

In no particular order and certainly not all inclusive. Trying to maximize 3 variables:

#1 Lower number of committed hours per week
#2 Increased flexibility of schedule
#3 Salary

- Dermatology
- Gastroenterology
- Allergy and Immunology
- Cosmetic Plastic Surgery
- Reproductive, Endocrine and Infertility
- Interventional Radiology

That having been said, I could design a Vascular Surgery, Orthopedic Surgery, ENT, Ophthalmology, or Sleep medicine practice that would be very outpatient based and highly compensated. But, for the most part, the previously mentioned specialties are going to be the best 'fit'.

What? From my understanding, IR is very much like surgery in terms of call, hours, and income (which is often much higher than surgical specialties). Please elaborate.

 

[eefen]

Basically, because I don't know of anyone who doesn't do that to some extent.
It's not really a matter of laziness- ED shifts are incredibly busy and hard work, as L2D pointed out.

.......

Excellent explanation. 👍

 

[Shenanigan]

your good

Please learn the difference. You're in college so you should know your grammar.



It might be better to look at the quality of life of physicians and job happiness rather than time/salary. Physicians who work a smaller number of hours and make more money might hate their lives. I talked to a Dermatologist at a wedding who hates his patients and his job. That may be because he was obsessed with himself, but it's still something to think about. If you come home nice and early to your family, but you're miserable that's going to cause issues at home.

Do what you're passionate about and you will find time for family if that's what is important to you. It's essential to keep in mind that you're going into medicine and medicine is a service to your community. There will be times in most specialties where you'll have to miss your son's soccer game or be late for dinner with your wife. It's just what you sign up to do. Patients won't get sick or crash on your schedule.

Also a little bit of advice. It probably is best not to criticize everyone on here about their "communist attitudes" or however you put it and expect enthusiastic help in exchange. You signed up for this site and expected people to just answer questions without voicing opinions and being sarcastic? Have you ever been on the internet?

Good luck in whatever you pursue!

 

[link2swim06]

Salary is a function of our Medicare/insurance reimbursement structure. What they choose to reimburse and at what rates decide the money flow. Some things are probably overvalued, most are undervalued. Per procedure reimbursements generally net more money than per visit reimbursements, which is why specialties that do a lot of procedures tend to be more lucrative. So in the end there is an artificial separation between what you do and what you earn -- there isn't a good correlation between "stress" or "responsibility" or how demanding a job is and how much you make. A job with a ton of minor low stress procedures (eg derm) is going to net a lot more than something more stressful but dependent on office visits.

Except in derm isn't a good comparison because you could do all cosmetics. That has nothing to do with medicare or insurance.

 

[JeremiahStone]

Please learn the difference. You're in college so you should know your grammar.

Good luck in whatever you pursue!

Thanks for the advice! 🙂 The 'communist' was mean to be more humorous than anything else, and it was aimed towards the certain people who decided to shoot down a simply honest question without understanding the entirety of the OP. I dont really mind sarcastic comments but don't expect me to not shoot back as well 😛

 

[username456789]

It's definitely not a valid question.

Yes it is. End of story.

 

[Sophocles]

Yes it is. End of story.

I'm not trying to be rude but you sound like a child. I'm sure out of all of your years in school you have learned to express your opinions better than that. End of story? Please be a bit more articulate and stop trying to sound so authoritative; you're not good at it.

 

[JeremiahStone]

Yes it is. End of story.

 

[JeremiahStone]

I'm not trying to be rude but you sound like a child. I'm sure out of all of your years in school you have learned to express your opinions better than that. End of story? Please be a bit more articulate and stop trying to sound so authoritative; you're not good at it.

 

[Sophocles]

Oo.. Things just got real. Let the smack talking begin!!!!

J/p You guys do need to grow up though....

 

[Sophocles]

Good thing you're not trolling.

 

[username456789]

I'm not trying to be rude but you sound like a child. I'm sure out of all of your years in school you have learned to express your opinions better than that. End of story? Please be a bit more articulate and stop trying to sound so authoritative; you're not good at it.

I don't know how to better explain that it is a valid question when clearly the other explanations by others have failed.

It's a completely valid question. Whether it clashes with your personal morals or vocational goals is entirely inconsequential.

I am consistently amused by the holier-than-thou attitudes, usually more prevalent among pre-meds, which suggest that a desire to make a good living while not spending your entire life at work is somehow a bad thing. Medicine is a job. Sure, it's a little different than waiting tables or sitting at a cubicle, but at the end of the day we are working and we want to have lives outside of medicine. If you can manage to work things out so that you make a good living while maintaining your sanity and reducing the number of hours you spend at work, by all means go for it. We are not saints who should devote our every waking hour to healing the sick. I work my ass off when I'm at work, but I also like to be able to enjoy my downtime.

Most doctors realize this far too late when they are already in practice. They're usually the miserable ones who tell you when you're shadowing "don't go into medicine, it isn't worth it." If you choose to bury your head in the sand until then, be my guest.

 

[Sophocles]

I don't know how to better explain that it is a valid question when clearly the other explanations by others have failed.

It's a completely valid question. Whether it clashes with your personal morals or vocational goals is entirely inconsequential.

So I didn't say that it doesn't make sense because it clashes with my personal morals. There are many things that clash with my morals, yet make complete sense. Nevertheless, I would say that most people on this thread are either trying to tell him to look at more pertinent factors or change his paradigm. I don't see many people saying "yes, this is a good question".

 

[JeremiahStone]

I don't know how to better explain that it is a valid question when clearly the other explanations by others have failed.

It's a completely valid question. Whether it clashes with your personal morals or vocational goals is entirely inconsequential.

We are not saints who should devote our every waking hour to healing the sick. I work my ass off when I'm at work, but I also like to be able to enjoy my downtime.

Most doctors realize this far too late when they are already in practice. They're usually the miserable ones who tell you when you're shadowing "don't go into medicine, it isn't worth it." If you choose to bury your head in the sand until then, be my guest.

 

[MiracleforMD]

Apparently your not aware of a certain fee known as 'Med-School'.. If I wanted to get rich and loaf around all day I wouldn't be interested in medicine.

Said the 18 year old with absolutely 0 marketable skills.

 

[mcloaf]

I don't know how to better explain that it is a valid question when clearly the other explanations by others have failed.

It's a completely valid question. Whether it clashes with your personal morals or vocational goals is entirely inconsequential.

I am consistently amused by the holier-than-thou attitudes, usually more prevalent among pre-meds, which suggest that a desire to make a good living while not spending your entire life at work is somehow a bad thing. Medicine is a job. Sure, it's a little different than waiting tables or sitting at a cubicle, but at the end of the day we are working and we want to have lives outside of medicine. If you can manage to work things out so that you make a good living while maintaining your sanity and reducing the number of hours you spend at work, by all means go for it. We are not saints who should devote our every waking hour to healing the sick. I work my ass off when I'm at work, but I also like to be able to enjoy my downtime.

Most doctors realize this far too late when they are already in practice. They're usually the miserable ones who tell you when you're shadowing "don't go into medicine, it isn't worth it." If you choose to bury your head in the sand until then, be my guest.

FYI a lot of us are not facepalming just because OP wants to get paid well. So do I, so does everyone ITT whether or not they admit it. I'm facepalming because he's a freshman already trying to pick a specialty that will let him work less and make more. The statistics on the number of freshman "premeds" who actually matriculate to med school are pretty sobering, so seeing someone looking so far ahead is just ludicrous. Depending on how his school is set up he may not even have a UG GPA yet, let alone taken the MCAT, weed out courses etc. I've read your posts in the allo forum, and I know you've put in enough work that nobody can reasonably begrudge you the choice of whatever specialty you want based on whatever factors you value. OP is another story entirely.

 

[Sophocles]

FYI a lot of us are not facepalming just because OP wants to get paid well. So do I, so does everyone ITT whether or not they admit it. I'm facepalming because he's a freshman already trying to pick a specialty that will let him work less and make more. The statistics on the number of freshman "premeds" who actually matriculate to med school are pretty sobering, so seeing someone looking so far ahead is just ludicrous. Depending on how his school is set up he may not even have a UG GPA yet, let alone taken the MCAT, weed out courses etc. I've read your posts in the allo forum, and I know you've put in enough work that nobody can reasonably begrudge you the choice of whatever specialty you want based on whatever factors you value. OP is another story entirely.

+1👍

 

[username456789]

FYI a lot of us are not facepalming just because OP wants to get paid well. So do I, so does everyone ITT whether or not they admit it. I'm facepalming because he's a freshman already trying to pick a specialty that will let him work less and make more. The statistics on the number of freshman "premeds" who actually matriculate to med school are pretty sobering, so seeing someone looking so far ahead is just ludicrous. Depending on how his school is set up he may not even have a UG GPA yet, let alone taken the MCAT, weed out courses etc. I've read your posts in the allo forum, and I know you've put in enough work that nobody can reasonably begrudge you the choice of whatever specialty you want based on whatever factors you value. OP is another story entirely.

Facepalming is fine. But it was still a valid question, even if it seems silly to many based on his current position. That was simply what I was pointing out.

 

[Sophocles]

Facepalming is fine. But it was still a valid question, even if it seems silly to many based on his current position. That was simply what I was pointing out.

Asking how can I make the most amount of money and work the least amount of time is not a valid question. Sorry... That's the end of the story.. We must agree to disagree at this point.

 

[username456789]

Asking how can I make the most amount of money and work the least amount of time is not a valid question.

It absolutely, 100% is valid. Do you not know what "valid" means? I honestly think you don't.

 

[Eon]

OP is another story entirely.

I think that in part comes with the naivety of being a freshman premed. Being a physician who has already experienced everything that premeds have gone through come from a different perspective than said premeds. Everyone's still learning here though.