LECOM-B vs. LECOM-Erie

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Hi, I found out monday that I was accepted into both of the LECOM schools. I am really excited and when I interviewed I really liked both schools...probably equally. They both have their pros and cons for me (Erie's weather, Bradenton only four hours from my parents, both cons) etc etc. I guess I am just asking if anybody has any insight into the reputation of both schools, happiness of students, and general success. Thanks.
-Katie
 
LECOM – Erie

Pros
Bigger campus, as far as number of students and programs.
Erie is a nice city. Has just enough to do, but not so much that
you’re distracted.
Dr. Kulesza and Dr. Bateman.
Presquile isle.

Cons
The weather.
The chairs in the lecture hall are not very comfortable.
The lunch ladies are mean.
The weather.
 
the main difference besides those mentioned would be the LECOM-Bradenton is only PBL.
 
Don't forget that Dr. Krueger is in Bradenton. In my mind, that is a major pro for FLECOM.
 
So... is PBL at all comparable to the ISP at LECOM? I would rather go to FL due to the weather, but I am being a bit cautious w/PBL..... Im pretty good at learning on my own, but how does the faculty assure that we aren't studying the "WRONG" thing(s)? Accepted at both, but ISP at Erie.?
 
I was a PBL student in Erie. ISP and PBL are two completely different pathways. PBL has been around a bit longer than ISP, but you are pretty carefully monitored in both groups. Out of the 40 original PBL students in my class, 39 graduated. The other student will graduate this year, from what I understand. Clinically, I can't imagine that any other pathway could have prepared me better. As far as being prepared for the boards, it's really what you put into your education. That holds true whether you are traditional lecture, PBL, or ISP. You get out of medical school exactly what you put into it. My clinical rotation grades were exceptional, and I rotated in a large city with a large allopathic school. BTW, the theory behind PBL is that there are no "wrong" things to study. It's all relevant. However, you prepare for boards using board review books. Additionally, Lecom provided "free" (if you don't count tuition) board preparation through Kaplan for both Pharmacology and Pathology. If you have any other questions, feel free to PM me. Good luck with your decision.:luck:
 
Im pretty good at learning on my own, but how does the faculty assure that we aren't studying the "WRONG" thing(s)? Accepted at both, but ISP at Erie.?

PBL is good in a number of ways. First, it's based on actual cases. You start slow because of Anatomy/Histo/Embry being taught for the first 10 weeks, but halfway through the first sememster you've learned to read CBC's, ABG's, and a host of other tests, as well as you already know the normal values by heart. You've been exposed to ECG's, CT's and a host of other scans. You've been through several cases, ordered tests, read them, ordered more, diagnosed your case, and planned treatment. Along the way, you've taken your own time to go in depth learning the basic sciences as they pertain to actual medical cases. In effect, you're also preparing yourself for third year in a way that lecture and independent study could never do. You can read the stuff all you want, but you don't get good at it until you have to sit down and practice it.

Second, you're forced to work as a team to reach your goals. There will be some people you will like and others that you won't like, but you have to learn to set aside those differences and work as a team-- just like in the real world. If you're a bit timid to start with, don't worry because the facilitator will put you on the spot enough that you'll come out of it. If you're a little overbearing, then you'll be told to sit back and help the others, because it's all about the team when you are in the PBL room. That team is also the group that will pick your learning issues for each case. Those issues are what you will be tested on. You're given a certain amount of guidance at the beginning in how to pick your issues, but the facilitator will not help you in that. In the beginning, though, you'll be given a little help if you are off track. The idea is to teach your group how to pull the most relevant issues out of the case, but if your group isn't doing that very well, you can expect an e-mail from Dr. Coty that says, "You might want to rethink this a little." You'll be given guidance, but really only after you are looking down the wrong path.

The first class wasn't as lucky, but from now on the last four weeks of your 2nd year is taking Kaplan's review. The school has changed several things since they opened, but for the better. In fact, quite a few of the changes are things that have been suggested by students. The administration tends to take what the students say pretty seriously. They really do want you to succeed. Those students who didn't do well on COMLEX are in Bradenton now doing remediation. Part of that process is learning what areas they did poorly in and why, so that future students won't have the same problems.

One other note-- my class is the first one to do it, but they are now adding some additional chapters of reading for each PBL test. For the test a week from Monday, for instance, we are responsible for three chapters of biochem in addition to our chosen topics. For the next test, we have four chapters of pathology to study in addition to our chosen topics.

Did someone mention the weather difference? The HIGH temperatures in Erie for F, S, and Su will be 47, 54, and 51 degrees, with 2 days of rain. In Bradenton it'll be 89, 88, and 87, and sunny. If you don't like warm weather and beaches in the fall, you might want to pick Erie. If you want snow at Christmas, don't come to Bradenton because people will still be wearing bikinis at the beach.

There's quite a lot to do in the area. The immediate metropolitan area is about 675,000, but including Tampa there's about 3.3 million people. There's lots to do. On friday a busload of students will be going to Halloween Horror Nights at Universtal in Orlando. There's lots of major and minor league sports around. There's bars and comedy clubs and a host of entertainment nearby-- not that you'll actually have all that much time to enjoy your life since you are a med student 😀

On the negative side, the area is growing incredibly...so, there is a major traffic problem at certain times of the day. But, they say the road construction will be finished soon🙄 The cost of living is higher than in Erie, but you can live pretty well on the budget they give you. It's doubtful that you'll be able to afford to buy a house, though, unless you are willing to drive a pretty good way to school.
 
I was wondering what the average COMLEX and USMLE scores were for Bradenton. If you just have pass levels that's cool too!

The only number I have heard was the pass rate which was ~85%. It would be interesting to hear some more statistics, since it sounds like there was quite a range of scores. 13 people failed, but some people did extremely well (see the LECOM Bradenton PBL thread over in Osteo for more details). I think this range probably reflects that in PBL you get out what you put in, much more so than in a lecture based curriculum.
 
I think that this thread has been very helpful. Please keep it going!
 
I think you will find the majority of students at LECOM-B are happy. We are in the Sunshine state, so Seasonal Affective Disorder isn't very prevalent 😀
As far as scores; you don't automatically get a higher board score because you go to a certain school, you score what you put into it. LECOM-B had a student score extremely well on the USMLE, but even our own dean said it was the student and not the program. LECOM-B gives you the freedom to use your time as effectively or as ineffectively as you choose. Your education is a reflection of what you put into it, regardless of where you go. Bradenton just happens to be a great school in a nice place, with a staff and faculty who care.
 
so, when using the board review books to study for the USMLE and or COMLEX, did you find that you had covered all the relevant topics in PBL sessions?
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