LECOM (PBL) vs. NYCOM (DPC) - which school?(questions for students there)

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So I already got into LECOM and put my deposit in. I got an interview for NYCOM and scheduled it but am wondering whether to go and spend the time/money and thus want to decide between the 2 schools now. I would appreciate some input, especially if any of you go to either LECOM or NYCOM! Here are the criteria I'm concerned with:

Which "problem based" learning pathway offers the better curriculum, LECOM's PBL or NYCOM's DPC - I know I want to do problem-based learning and have a reserved spot in LECOM's PBL pathway. But NYCOM offers this program too. For those of you who attend NYCOM, could you describe the program there and how effective you think it is?(I already know all about LECOM's, having visited the school for my interview). Does anyone know if LECOM's or NYCOM's version of the pathway is better (and why)? Do you attend as few classes at NYCOM as at LECOM, with mostly independent study around it? Or is there a lot more group study that counts as classtime?

Frequency of Tests - seems mundane, but it's important to me. How frequent are tests at NYCOM under DPC? I don't like when there are tests every week, like at LECOM's lecture-based pathway (which I'm not doing), because it commits the information to short-term memory and encourages cramming.

Reputation- It seems like NYCOM's reputation is better than LECOM's. Is this true, and if so, does it matter? Will it affect me in finding a residency, i.e. if I choose to attend LECOM and want to get a residency outside of the Western PA/Ohio area?

Rotation/Residency Option Variety I saw either rotations or residences for LECOM and a lot of in the Western PA/Ohio area, with few anywhere else. I'm just worried that it means I'll be limiting myself to where I end up. Or is it very easy to get rotations/residencies assigned that are unaffiliated with the school? Anyway, I just feel like NYCOM has a much better selection and won't limit me but correct me if I'm wrong.

Living, Convenience, Transportation For those of you at NYCOM, is it a pain and expensive to live on Long Island? Do any of you live in Brooklyn/Queens or is this too far? And is the commute/traffic a pain?The price of living concerns me there... whereas Erie, PA is super cheap. The tuition is $15K cheaper too - or is the extra money for NYCOM worth it?

Also let me know if there are any other pros/cons about the 2 schools you think I should consider. Thanks!
 
NYCOM has a 10% attrition rate. I would take LECOM over them in a second.
 
Which "problem based" learning pathway offers the better curriculum, LECOM's PBL or NYCOM's DPC -

PBL is PBL....I think...

Frequency of Tests...should be same....don't know

Reputation-NYCOM wins here

Rotation/Residency Option Variety

LECOM OPTI is a beast...but you have to realize that it serves THREE medical school....the 3 LECOM's

It houses the following programs
Residencies:
Family Practice:
Aultman Hospital, Canton, OH
Clarion Hospital, Clarion, PA
Conemaugh Memorial Medical Center, Johnstown, PA
Cooper Green Mercy Hospital, Birmingham, AL
Erie County Medical Center/SUNY at Buffalo, Buffalo, NY
Guthrie/Robert Packer Hospital, Sayre, PA
Manatee Memorial Hospital, Bradenton, FL
Marquette General Health System, Marquette, MI
Meadville Medical Center, Meadville, PA
Memorial Hospital, York, PA
Millcreek Community Hospital, Erie, PA
Niagara Falls Memorial Medical Center, Niagara Falls, NY
PinnacleHealth Harrisburg Hospital, Harrisburg, PA
St. Petersburg General Hospital, St. Petersburg, FL
The Washington Hospital, Washington, Pa
The Western Pennsylvania Hospital/Forbes Regional Campus, Pittsburgh, PA
University Hospitals Richmond Medical Center, Richmond Heights, OH
UPMC Horizon, Farrell, PA
UPMC McKeesport, McKeesport, PA
UPMC St. Margaret, Pittsburgh, PA
Wellington Regional Medical Center, Wellington, FL
Westchester General Hospital, Miami, FL
Westview Hospital, Indianapolis, IN
General Surgery:
Memorial Hospital, York, PA
PinnacleHealth Harrisburg Hospital, Harrisburg, PA
UPMC Horizon, Farrell, PA
Internal Medicine:
Conemaugh Memorial Medical Center, Johnstown, PA
Manatee Memorial Hospital, Bradenton, FL
Memorial Hospital, York, PA
Millcreek Community Hospital, Erie, PA
Northside Hospital, St. Petersburg, FL
Sacred Heart Health System, Pensacola, FL
The Wright Center for Graduate Medical Education, Scranton, PA
University Hospitals Richmond Medical Center, Richmond Heights, OH
UPMC Horizon, Farrell, PA
UPMC McKeesport, McKeesport, PA
Wellington Regional Medical Center, Wellington, FL
Orthopedic Surgery:
Millcreek Community Hospital, Erie, PA
University Hospitals Richmond Medical Center, Richmond Heights, OH
Dermatology:
Alta Dermatology Residency Training Program, Mesa, AZ
University Hospitals Richmond Medical Center, Richmond Heights, OH
Wellington Regional Medical Center, Wellington, FL
Emergency Medicine:
Conemaugh Memorial Medical Center, Johnstown, PA
Memorial Hospital, York, PA
Saint Vincent Health Center, Erie, PA
UPMC Hamot, Erie, PA
Neurology:
UPMC Hamot, Erie, PA
Obstetrics/Gynecology:
Memorial Hospital, York, PA
Ophthalmology:
*Florida Osteopathic Education Institute (FOEI), New Port Richey, FL
Millcreek Community Hospital, Erie, PA
Otolaryngology/Facial Plastic Surgery (ENT):
Millcreek Community Hospital, Erie, PA
Pediatrics:
University Hospitals Richmond Medical Center, Richmond Heights, OH
Proctologic Surgery:
Westview Hospital, Indianapolis, IN
Psychiatry:
*Manatee Glens Hospital, Bradenton, FL
Millcreek Community Hospital, Erie, PA
Child/Adolescent Psychiatry (residency or fellowship):
Millcreek Community Hospital, Erie, PA
Fellowships:
Cardiology:
Northside Hospital, St. Petersburg, FL
Gastroenterology:
Millcreek Community Hospital, Erie, PA
Geriatric:
Geriatric-Family Practice:
Millcreek Community Hospital, Erie, PA
Geriatric-Internal Medicine:
Millcreek Community Hospital, Erie, PA
Integrative Medicine:
*Millcreek Community Hospital, Erie, PA
Gynecology/Oncology:
York Hospital, York, PA
Maternal and Fetal Medicine:
PinnacleHealth Harrisburg Hospital & Maternal Fetal Medicine of Central Pennsylvania, Harrisburg, PA
York Hospital, York, PA
Neuromusculoskeletal Medicine OMM:
Millcreek community Hospital/"Plus One" Residency Training in NMM and OMM, Erie, PA
Pediatric Allergy and Immunology:
University Hospitals Richmond Medical Center, Richmond Heights, OH
Allergy and Immunology:
*University Hospitals Richmond Medical Center, Richmond Heights, OH
Sports Medicine:
Millcreek Community Hospital, Erie, PA
PinnacleHealth Community General Osteopathic Hospital, Harrisburg, PA
University Hospitals Richmond Medical Center, Richmond Heights, OH
Internships:
Clarion Hospital, Clarion, PA
Conemaugh Memorial Medical Center, Johnstown, PA
Guthrie/Robert Packer Hospital, Sayre, PA
Meadville Medical Center, Meadville, PA
Memorial Hospital, York, PA
Millcreek Community Hospital, Erie, PA
Northside Hospital, St. Petersburg, FL
PinnacleHealth Harrisburg Hospital, Harrisburg, PA
St. Petersburg General Hospital, St. Petersburg, FL
Saint Vincent Health Center, Erie, PA
The Allegheny General Hospital - Western Pennsylvania Hospital Medical Education Consortium, Pittsburgh, PA
University Hospitals Richmond Medical Center, Richmond Heights, OH
UPMC McKeesport, McKeesport, PA
Wellington Regional Medical Center, Wellington, FL
Westchester General Hospital, Miami, FL
Westview Hospital, Indianapolis, IN
York Hospital, York, PA
 
NYCOMEC (NYCOM OPTI) is extremely well-developed...and serves 1 medical school (NYCOM)

NYCOMEC Member Institutions
New York, New York
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Benedictine Hospital
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Surgery,Orthopedic

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NYCOM OPTI wins here....since it serves only ONE medical school...and is ridiculously well developed. NYCOM OPTI is the only OPTI which clearly and openly states that priority is given to NYCOM graduates.


Living, Convenience, Transportation: NYCOM IS EXPENSIVE


CONCLUSION: If you want primary care...go to LECOM

If specialty is your goal, NYCOM is definitely a better pick
 
FutureDoctorrrr said:
CONCLUSION: If you want primary care...go to LECOM

If specialty is your goal, NYCOM is definitely a better pick
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This is a ridiculous statement. LECOM's PBL record on boards speaks for itself.

I've never heard anyone talking about "OPTI" until you posted in every thread about it. But then again, I never heard anyone say that using DIT and First Aid makes them a medical student, even if they haven't taken a single medical school class yet until you came along...

LECOM is much cheaper and has a proven track record with their PBL program. Clinical rotations can be hit-or-miss, from what I've heard, but I felt that they were good enough to pass on other schools with better ones to save about $100K before interest on COA.

Affiliated residency programs will make it easier to match there, but unless something changes in the next 2-3 years, I don't plan on entering the AOA match anyway, so it was a moot point for me. It is possible that it'll become more important with ACGME changes and increasing numbers of graduating students, though.
 
Druggernaut said:
This is a ridiculous statement. LECOM's PBL record on boards speaks for itself.

LECOM is much cheaper and has a proven track record with their PBL program. Clinical rotations can be hit-or-miss, from what I've heard, but I felt that they were good enough to pass on other schools with better ones to save about $100K before interest on COA.

Affiliated residency programs will make it easier to match there, but unless something changes in the next 2-3 years, I don't plan on entering the AOA match anyway, so it was a moot point for me. It is possible that it'll become more important with ACGME changes and increasing numbers of graduating students, though.
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1. Clinical rotations can be hit-or-miss (agreed)
2. It is INEVITABLE that it'll become more important with ACGME changes and increasing numbers of graduating students, though.


3. NYCOM is extremely specialty friendly.
 
FutureDoctorrrr said:
3. NYCOM is extremely specialty friendly.
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I'm not sure where you come up with this while saying LECOM isn't. NYCOM's mission statement touches on primary care, while the only mention of it at LECOM is for the primary care pathway. There was no harping on primary care at my interviews at either of the LECOM campuses, either, though there was at NSU, which you also seem to think is "specialty friendly." They did hype up how they do on board exams, which will get you into specialties over people who don't do so well.
 
Druggernaut said:
I'm not sure where you come up with this while saying LECOM isn't. NYCOM's mission statement touches on primary care, while the only mention of it at LECOM is for the primary care pathway. There was no harping on primary care at my interviews at either of the LECOM campuses, either, though there was at NSU, which you also seem to think is "specialty friendly." They did hype up how they do on board exams, which will get you into specialties over people who don't do so well.
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👍 same. to say that one school is more "speciality friendly" than another is a bit of a fallacy; part of the differences you may see in match lists is a matter of self-selection but certainly not because the school pushes a student in one direction or another. the decision to attend a school should take things like tuition, location, board scores and clinical education into account when comparing two D.O. schools.

That said, in terms of finding a residency outside of the area, there are plenty of grads leaving the western PA/Ohio region. If you are primarily interested in being in/around NYC, go NYCOM.
 
Thank you for your input! I think I'm leaning on not going to the NYCOM interview. Doesn't seem worth it for so much more money if the PBL is just as good at LECOM, and the rotations are fine. Also, question - can you choose a rotation/residency not on LECOM's list (so, at a hospital that LECOM is not affiliated with)? I feel like I've asked this before to the admissions people and they told me it just takes a bit more work and they might reject you, but people do it. Thoughts?

Yes, I do like the fact that NYCOM has a lot of NYC options - I'm eyeing that family medicine Brooklyn location - but it's not too big of a deal. Even eastern PA would be good. Plus, I want family medicine options and I think both schools have plenty.
 
Eh, I'd go with LECOM-B but that's simply because I would much rather spend my Saturdays and Sundays out on the beach than inside at long island. Not to mention it's a lot cheaper and it tries to structure its tests like the comlex.
 
PBL is probably the worst thing a med school can have in their curriculum. Avoid it like the plague and go to NYCOM.
 
MrBird said:
PBL is probably the worst thing a med school can have in their curriculum. Avoid it like the plague and go to NYCOM.
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DPC is a PBL program as well. I also agree though, PBl is simply not effective and is a total rip off for it's price. Not to say that medical school in general isn't a rip off, especially given the fact that most students don't even attend class.
 
MrBird said:
PBL is probably the worst thing a med school can have in their curriculum. Avoid it like the plague and go to NYCOM.
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serenade said:
DPC is a PBL program as well. I also agree though, PBl is simply not effective and is a total rip off for it's price. Not to say that medical school in general isn't a rip off, especially given the fact that most students don't even attend class.
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Completely disagree with both of you (I know at least one of you has never even had PBL for medical school before.)

PBL is fantastic. If you despise reading textbooks then obviously I'd avoid it, but to say it is the "worst thing a med school can have" is a baseless claim that you have no way of substantiating. Our PBL board scores are consistantly higher than the traditional lecture pathway. Most LDP student are clamoring to be in PBL after a month of LDP (I would know, I was one of them). Give it up with the " PBL is too expensive. .. It is a rip off" nonsense. We have 8 students to one professor first year and separate OPP and H&P labs. PBL gets personal lectures on ekgs, neuro, micro, pharm, etc. Second year cases are done working with a physician in that specialty (1 per 8 students) and all of our exams are customized to our groups learning objectives which we select. You'd honestly rather sit in a lecture hall all and study nothing but powerpoints all day? What is it that you want?
 
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Except for the statistics on allo about how it's not all that effective and most students find it frankly annoying.
 
Allo board. I believe somewhere pertinent to case western.
 
serenade said:
Allo board. I believe somewhere pertinent to case western.
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Had a feeling. Sounds like a pretty weak case to me.

OP: I can only speak for LECOM PBL. You'll enjoy it (as much as you can "enjoy" medical school that is"). It's one of the cheapest PBL's around (not sure if some state schools have PBL) and they know what they're doing here. Feel free to ask if you have any more specific questions.
 
serenade said:
DPC is a PBL program as well. I also agree though, PBl is simply not effective and is a total rip off for it's price. Not to say that medical school in general isn't a rip off, especially given the fact that most students don't even attend class.
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rip-off? Yes
Ineffective? No

it's not a fluke that PBL has the highest board scores at LECOM out of the three pathways each year, and that LECOM-B (a school that is all PBL) is consistently number one (or top 3) in the nation for board scores and pass rates.

if you put in the effort, the program is amazing.
not to mention that even people who attend a school with a well developed lecture program choose to not go to lecture because it's inconvenient/boring/waste of time/ect...
 
HockeyDr09 said:
Completely disagree with both of you (I know at least one of you has never even had PBL for medical school before.)

PBL is fantastic. If you despise reading textbooks then obviously I'd avoid it, but to say it is the "worst thing a med school can have" is a baseless claim that you have no way of substantiating. Our PBL board scores are consistantly higher than the traditional lecture pathway. Most LDP student are clamoring to be in PBL after a month of LDP (I would know, I was one of them). Give it up with the " PBL is too expensive. .. It is a rip off" nonsense. We have 8 students to one professor first year and separate OPP and H&P labs. PBL gets personal lectures on ekgs, neuro, micro, pharm, etc. Second year cases are done working with a physician in that specialty (1 per 8 students) and all of our exams are customized to our groups learning objectives which we select. You'd honestly rather sit in a lecture hall all and study nothing but powerpoints all day? What is it that you want?
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I'd rather learn from lectures than try to do a case without having the proper knowledge base gained through what would be essentially the traditional track.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/k3446814w2207573/
http://imamedicalstudentgetmeoutofh.../problem-based-learning-aka-diy-medicine.html
http://eprints.manipal.edu/28/1/Advan_Physiol_Edu-2008-Abraham-35-7.pdf
http://arno.unimaas.nl/show.cgi?fid=15853

In general, surveys, research, and statistics point out no advantage/disadvantage in a PBL curriculum over a lecture based curriculum, with the main difference being that an overwhelming majority of medical students, law students, and business students hate PBL.
 
Also, I don't mean to pick on your school, but just because LECOM's PBL pathways does better than its lecture pathway on the boards doesn't necessarily mean PBL is in general a better curriculum. It could be that the lecture pathway at your school is poorly run.
 
irJanus said:
rip-off? Yes
Ineffective? No

it's not a fluke that PBL has the highest board scores at LECOM out of the three pathways each year, and that LECOM-B (a school that is all PBL) is consistently number one (or top 3) in the nation for board scores and pass rates.

if you put in the effort, the program is amazing.
not to mention that even people who attend a school with a well developed lecture program choose to not go to lecture because it's inconvenient/boring/waste of time/ect...
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LECOM PBL is different in two regards, 1: you have to pass a precomlex test, 2: your tests are structured to be very similar to the COMLEX.
 
MrBird said:
I'd rather learn from lectures than try to do a case without having the proper knowledge base gained through what would be essentially the traditional track.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/k3446814w2207573/
http://imamedicalstudentgetmeoutofh.../problem-based-learning-aka-diy-medicine.html
http://eprints.manipal.edu/28/1/Advan_Physiol_Edu-2008-Abraham-35-7.pdf
http://arno.unimaas.nl/show.cgi?fid=15853

In general, surveys, research, and statistics point out no advantage/disadvantage in a PBL curriculum over a lecture based curriculum, with the main difference being that an overwhelming majority of medical students, law students, and business students hate PBL.
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Did you even read the articles?😕

I clicked one at random and took a quick look at the discussion

"Scores for deep and strategic approaches of P(artial)PBL students were found to be signi&#64257;cantly higher compared with N(non)PBL students"

"In conclusion, the present study revealed that the implementation of PBL promoted more deep approach learning in the students rather than strategic and surface approaches compared with students who were not exposed to PBL. Among the three
approaches, PPBL students were adopting more of deep and surface approaches than the strategic approach."

I'll take a look at the other ones, I'm sure you have something supporting your claim, but you might want to actually read these articles before you post them.



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All your first article claims is that PBL needs to be implemented properly (which 97% pass rate should be evidence enough that it is here)

Your second article is literally one student griping about his school. And I quote "Meh...that was just a muddled rant." (great source)

Your third article is listed above as clearly proving PBL's efficacy.

Honestly, the fourth article really doesn't say anything and really just wasted my time. It was just a study of throwing new students into PBL, and didn't really track any outcomes.



Just give it up already. PBL works for many students, and will continue to. Just because you aren't a fan, doesn't mean everyone should avoid it like the plague.
 
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HockeyDr09 said:
Did you even read the articles?😕

I clicked one at random and took a quick look at the discussion

"Scores for deep and strategic approaches of P(artial)PBL students were found to be signi&#64257;cantly higher compared with N(non)PBL students"

"In conclusion, the present study revealed that the implementation of PBL promoted more deep approach learning in the students rather than strategic and surface approaches compared with students who were not exposed to PBL. Among the three
approaches, PPBL students were adopting more of deep and surface approaches than the strategic approach."

I'll take a look at the other ones, I'm sure you have something supporting your claim, but you might want to actually read these articles before you post them.
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I read them. Did you not read my post? I have articles in favor of and articles against. Hence why I said there are no clear disadvantages/advantages for PBL. However, the one irrefutable point is that most students disagree with you on the perceived efficacy of PBL.
 
MrBird said:
I read them. Did you not read my post? I have articles in favor of and articles against. Hence why I said there are no clear disadvantages/advantages for PBL. However, the one irrefutable point is that most students disagree with you on the perceived efficacy of PBL.
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Easily "irrefutable"

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1365-2923.2003.01489.x/abstract

"Most Asian medical schools and their students appear to be positive about adapting to PBL in their curriculum. The positive and negative observations appear to be similar to those experienced in non-Asian medical schools."


Honestly all of your sources are garbage (as the one listed above this line is). They take students who have no interest in PBL and throw them into poorly constructed mock sessions, and then rate their perceptions.

You're more than entitled to your opinion, but just know it's just that, your opinion. You're evidence is weak at best, and you're not in PBL (assuming) so you have no first hand knowledge of how it works (especially at the school the OP is interested in).

I'm at the school and in the pathway the OP is interested in, and I've actually read the articles on PBL efficacy. I think us PBL-ers will be just fine.
 
MrBird said:
PBL is probably the worst thing a med school can have in their curriculum. Avoid it like the plague and go to NYCOM.
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MrBird said:
I'd rather learn from lectures than try to do a case without having the proper knowledge base gained through what would be essentially the traditional track.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/k3446814w2207573/
http://imamedicalstudentgetmeoutofh.../problem-based-learning-aka-diy-medicine.html
http://eprints.manipal.edu/28/1/Advan_Physiol_Edu-2008-Abraham-35-7.pdf
http://arno.unimaas.nl/show.cgi?fid=15853

In general, surveys, research, and statistics point out no advantage/disadvantage in a PBL curriculum over a lecture based curriculum, with the main difference being that an overwhelming majority of medical students, law students, and business students hate PBL.
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Good point you have there.
 
Just because there's no advantage/disadvantage doesn't mean PBL isn't excruciating. I stand by my claims.
 
I chose Lecom-B in large part because of PBL. Frankly I couldn't be more excited about it. I have experienced PBL-like instruction in the past (obviously not 100% the same as Lecom's take on it, but very very similar) and honestly it's fantastic.

The reviews of Lecom PBL here on SDN from what I've seen have generally been positive. I've read comments on how the PBL students are typically happier than the LDP students. Honestly, I think you're trying to negatively paint PBL with a very broad brush there...

I'm curious what your personal experiences have been with PBL. Were they excruciating? Mine have been great, as were those I was with. It's a forum, so if you yourself had a bad experience then that's fine and at least we'll know where you're coming from.
 
MrBird said:
Also, I don't mean to pick on your school, but just because LECOM's PBL pathways does better than its lecture pathway on the boards doesn't necessarily mean PBL is in general a better curriculum. It could be that the lecture pathway at your school is poorly run.
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LECOM B is all PBL... there isn't another pathway there. See my above post.
A student needs to choose a pathway that will facilitate the best learning for them. PBL is a VERY effective program for those who learn that way.... as is lecture.
 
serenade said:
LECOM PBL is different in two regards, 1: you have to pass a precomlex test, 2: your tests are structured to be very similar to the COMLEX.
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I'd agree with this.
I'd assert that it prepares a person willing to put the effort in very well for exams AND rotations

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point is, if lecture is your cup of tea, then that is the right choice. If PBL is your cup of tea, then that is the right choice. Neither sucks.... and Lecture is torture to a kid who likes PBL and PBL is horrible to a kid who likes Lecture
 
oh my God, guys....this is ridiculous

This argument is becoming about as tiring as the DO/MD wars.

PBL is an alternative to LDP (not better not worse). Why some people seem to want to attack it (or lecture) is beyond me. The basic perception seems to be "I can't believe I have to teach myself." Well then, DO LECTURE. That's it, problem solved.

If you're the type of person who hates going to class and would rather learn on your own...PBL is a dream and lecture is a nightmare. If you like powerpoints and prefer to learn in a lecture setting, lecture is awesome and PBL is a nightmare. Why people see the need to ultimately declare something as superior/inferior is beyond me.

All these ridiculous debates can be solved by actually doing what you're attempting to do by proxy via the internet: Pull out the ruler, measure your junk, see whose is bigger and call it a day.

It all comes down to what fits the OPs personality. That's it...it's not a question of "can you hang in PBL?" It's a question of "does that interest you?" Both pathways give you preclinical education, both pathways move you toward taking step one (what else really matters?) and then you go to clinicals and residency. You end up in the same spot, it's just a matter of how you want to get there.

And one final note: If you're a person who hasn't done PBL, shut the hell up about what goes on in the sessions because you don't know what you're talking about and you're just solidifying SDNs reputation for being full of misleading garbage. If you're in PBL, shut the hell up about lecture pathways because you don't know what you're talking about. In fact, why doesn't everyone just shut the hell up? 🙂
 
irJanus said:
I'd agree with this.
I'd assert that it prepares a person willing to put the effort in very well for exams AND rotations

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point is, if lecture is your cup of tea, then that is the right choice. If PBL is your cup of tea, then that is the right choice. Neither sucks.... and Lecture is torture to a kid who likes PBL and PBL is horrible to a kid who likes Lecture
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after reading your post I'd like to point out that my post doesn't apply to you, you seem to have the same basic opinion...lol. Guess I got fired up
 
Wolverines83 said:
oh my God, guys....this is ridiculous

This argument is becoming about as tiring as the DO/MD wars.

PBL is an alternative to LDP (not better not worse). Why some people seem to want to attack it (or lecture) is beyond me. The basic perception seems to be "I can't believe I have to teach myself." Well then, DO LECTURE. That's it, problem solved.

If you're the type of person who hates going to class and would rather learn on your own...PBL is a dream and lecture is a nightmare. If you like powerpoints and prefer to learn in a lecture setting, lecture is awesome and PBL is a nightmare. Why people see the need to ultimately declare something as superior/inferior is beyond me.

All these ridiculous debates can be solved by actually doing what you're attempting to do by proxy via the internet: Pull out the ruler, measure your junk, see whose is bigger and call it a day.

It all comes down to what fits the OPs personality. That's it...it's not a question of "can you hang in PBL?" It's a question of "does that interest you?" Both pathways give you preclinical education, both pathways move you toward taking step one (what else really matters?) and then you go to clinicals and residency. You end up in the same spot, it's just a matter of how you want to get there.

And one final note: If you're a person who hasn't done PBL, shut the hell up about what goes on in the sessions because you don't know what you're talking about and you're just solidifying SDNs reputation for being full of misleading garbage. If you're in PBL, shut the hell up about lecture pathways because you don't know what you're talking about. In fact, why doesn't everyone just shut the hell up? 🙂
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If you're referring to me, I've been in both Lecture for 4 months and PBL for 4 months. But I appreciate the rude comments.

Bird and I were having a discussion. There is nothing wrong with having a different opinion.

Thanks for being the internet hero.👍
 
Wow... this thread became garbage real quick. OP, I would try to contact current students in each track through private messaging to get the answers your looking for. I believe a poster on this thread is doing LECOM PBL... pm him. I would look for someone in the NCYOM DPC program and pm that person. ...There are plenty of threads on here about how bad LECOM is... like "the truth about LECOM". And NYCOM has a very high attrition rate, which was posted here earlier. There has to be a reason for that. Obviously there are reasons for this that if brought up in a common thread would lead to blasting and upsetting people. So it is just good to pm people. ...I would suggest pm-ing people. I think SDN is a great source of information, and I think it is good you posted your original question. But when threads become off topic as they have here, well then pm-ing will be a better avenue. Good luck in your decision....Also remember that the DPC program at NYCOM is small... aprox 40 students. So it is more competitive to get into than at LECOM.
 
HockeyDr09 said:
If you're referring to me, I've been in both Lecture for 4 months and PBL for 4 months. But I appreciate the rude comments.

Bird and I were having a discussion. There is nothing wrong with having a different opinion.

Thanks for being the internet hero.👍
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Nah I'm not referring to anyone in particular. There was a lot more sarcasm in that post than came across; that's why I threw the smiley face in there at the end. I'm referring to how most debates on this website turn into a competition to see who can present more second (or third) hand information to support an argument. It just gets old and it doesn't help people who are actually trying to get legitimate information.

You're right there's nothing wrong with having a different opinion, but when those opinions start to be backed up with second hand information and there's someone reading it all who's trying to make a potentially life changing decision, it's not the right place for that kind of stuff.

Call me an internet hero if you want...whatever makes you feel better man.

EDIT: OP, sorry for jacking your thread with that post, I just get irritated sometimes. And, for that matter, if my post came off too harsh to anyone I apologize, I wasn't trying to target anyone in particular.

But back to the OP, good luck with the decision. I do PBL at LECOM and love it, but that's just me. If you have any questions about it feel free to PM me and I'll fill you in as best I can.
 
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