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Dr. Krueger tells us that most of those are PBL students. Any truth to that?

yes, many of them are... out of our 40 students in in LECOM PBL '07 the allopathic matches i know so far are:

anesthesiology - hopkins, mayo clinic
ER - hopkins
IM - cleveland clinic, unebraska
neurosurgery - LSU
pm&r - walter reed

i'm sure there will be more when i get a final list - submission of where you matched is voluntary, so it may not include everyone.
 
I think it's funny that given the rediculousness of the original post, this still made it to 2 pages.
 
Do you have any info about the people in the LBP?
 
Anybody know what happened to the "Do not go to NSU" thread?

It lives on in Google's cache, but is gone w/o a trace from SDN.

This really feeds my conspiracy theory about how any thread which bashes LECOM, even ones like this with no substance, remains open, while threads with vaild points criticizing other schools are closed or, apparently, just disappear...😕
 
Anybody know what happened to the "Do not go to NSU" thread?

It lives on in Google's cache, but is gone w/o a trace from SDN.

This really feeds my conspiracy theory about how any thread which bashes LECOM, even ones like this with no substance, remains open, while threads with vaild points criticizing other schools are closed or, apparently, just disappear...😕

It was deleted per OP request. No conspiracy. But keep staring at the computer screen and not out the window for just a few more minutes ...
 
It was deleted per OP request. No conspiracy. But keep staring at the computer screen and not out the window for just a few more minutes ...

Actually, I think I'll just sit here and keep hoping DrFurious will ask the mods to delete this useless thread, too...
 
Actually, I think I'll just sit here and keep hoping DrFurious will ask the mods to delete this useless thread, too...

Never happen. Remember, he only has 3 total posts so far. Seems like the thing to do if you want to stir up trouble is to get a new account and post something really nasty like "________ sucks!" and never show up again. That way, the thread will live on forever.

Apparently, you can keep doing this over and over with no fear of your useless, malicious troll thread being deleted.
 
Never happen. Remember, he only has 3 total posts so far. Seems like the thing to do if you want to stir up trouble is to get a new account and post something really nasty like "________ sucks!" and never show up again. That way, the thread will live on forever.

Apparently, you can keep doing this over and over with no fear of your useless, malicious troll thread being deleted.

Or, perhaps it's an established member who is afraid of being identified ...
 
Never happen. Remember, he only has 3 total posts so far. Seems like the thing to do if you want to stir up trouble is to get a new account and post something really nasty like "________ sucks!" and never show up again. That way, the thread will live on forever.

Apparently, you can keep doing this over and over with no fear of your useless, malicious troll thread being deleted.

Yeah, I was being sarcastic about waiting for Dr F to return.

I guess what I find interesting is that, while the rationalization I usually hear for leaving these negative threads open is that it is important to hear all opinions, both negative and positive, apparently, if the OP requests it, the whole thread is deleted, including the opinions of everyone else who posted there. I can understand closing an inflammatory thread, but deleting it means that not only will future students searching for info on NSU and rotations not find the OP's complaint, but they will also loose out on any of the opinions posted on the two pages following the OP's post.
 
Can I just ask as a future LECOM student what problems do people have with the school?
 
Oh darn, I wanted to see how far the "I hate Nova" thread persisted ... looked like great fun ... too bad :meanie: :laugh:
 
I love Lecom... what other school has their founders etched in marble 15 years after opening their school? It's worth every dime of my tuition making fun of those pillars. Besides, I got a good education there despite the fact that I couldn't have coffee in the lecture hall and I had to wear pantyhose.

To the OP... take a deep breath. The Ferretti's only have influence over your life for a brief time, but the pillars are forever!!!😀
 
I want to know where those pillars are now so I can go bow to the mother and father of medicine. Oh and the owl, I want to bow to him too.
 
I want to know where those pillars are now so I can go bow to the mother and father of medicine. Oh and the owl, I want to bow to him too.

The problem is that they don't actually exist. If you are seeing them, then you should have a very thorough neuro exam. You might just be suffering from something dangerous. When you walk alone in the dark be very, very afraid.
 
Why is this tired thread still living? LECOM doesn't suck obviously from the matchlist ...
 
this may be true, and i will post the match results of our class once they become available. however, anyone reading this thinking that they will be relegated to a career of FP - check out some of the matches for LECOM '07 that i am aware of so far...

anesthesiology - johns hopkins, mayo clinic, umichigan, uconn
emergency medicine - johns hopkins
internal medicine - cleveland clinic (2 people), unebraska, UMDNJ, drexel
neurosurgery - LSU (allopathic neurosurgery!)
pediatrics - umaryland
pm&r - walter reed (2 people - only three army spots in rehab, we got two of them)

not that FP is bad - some people really like it, and that's fine. but trust me, you will have other options if you choose - even some excellent ones, like the ones above. certainly the residencies obtained were not by default, and required a lot of "go-getting" without too much help, but in most cases, LECOM will put you in a position where you will be able to get such a residency if you have the hard work, intellect, and desire.


LECOM had nothing to do with anyone matching at those places. In fact LECOM makes it difficult by limiting you to 10 days off for interviews. However, if you don't tell them you should be OK.

LECOM does fine preparing you for boards, plus they won't let you sit if they think you are in danger. Once you are in 3rd and 4th year you are on your own, which is good and bad. If you are motivated you can do well. A lot of LECOM's rotation lack much in the way of lectures or any teaching. This became more evident to me as I rotated at MD and other DO school's hospital. You can do well at LECOM as long you don't exepect the school to help you during third or fourth year.

One of my classmates didn't match and asked LECOM to call some programs for them. The clinical dean said NO, because if he helped that person he would have to help everyone that didn't match. Well, I thought that was his &#%$ing job.

To be honest I enjoyed most of my time at LECOM and feel that I'm well prepared to start residency. Hopefully, my program will agree. Every school has things that suck about it, I just think that the iron fist of the Ferretti's makes it worse.
 
i grew up in breadenton and wanted to move back but after my interview & acceptance at LECOM-Bradenton i chose another school... even though it was in the midwest.
1) no cadaver lab. not only was there no cadaver lab but i was ridiculed and insulted when i asked questions about it. This was the case from both faculity and the students who ate lunch with us "go getters like you can volunteer to disect cadavers in the summer for the fall class" what? the anatomy prof actually said that teaching MS1 anatomy was a waste of time that "if you needed to learn it you would in your residency"...
2) no faculity research... the two faculity members that i interviewed with either did not do research or didnt want to talk about it. they were by far the LEAST impressive interviewers that i had (4 interviews 2 MD, 2 DO)
3) insulting me for expressing an interest in research and surgery
4) creepy feel of building... i was actually told by a 2nd year who ate lunch with us that they "watch the cameras" but that "there is no problem with privacy" that would be NO PRIVACY, right? why are there cameras in ALL of the halls, the libary and many of the rooms? NO students walking the halls? creepy...
5)coporate feel... office space anyone?
6)they absoutly refused to talk scores... COMLEX or USMLE just metioned that one student blew away the USMLE...
7) didnt subscribe to MedLine or PsychInfo... WHAT? Both my Undergrad instution and my grad school subscribed to BOTH as well as many others... the lib. had EMPTY shelves and their excuse "they are for future issues" didnt hold up since the librarian said they almost exclusively used online resources... WAIT NO MEDLINE!
the facility is beautiful but i have a bit of trouble with this school. I was excited about PBL and not having to sit in lectures for hours on end. I truly believe that PBL is the best way to learn but LECOM-bradenton just doesnt implement it in a fashion that i could deal with.
 
Actually, I think I'll just sit here and keep hoping DrFurious will ask the mods to delete this useless thread, too...

HA! Keep dreaming. I saw one Lecom bash thread go for 16 pages (about three of those were productive, the other 13 were insults being traded back and forth between the one Uberdouche who started it and the others that would disagree with him). Anyways, it doesn't matter, all of these threads follow three easy steps: 1)Someone starts the thread, usually with a list, of why they hate the school and why everyone else should too. 2)Other current students comment on the lack of validity to the OP's list of complaints which sparks a war of, "I am right, you are wrong, now I am telling my mommy," bs. 3)The thread eventually loses its original purpose to inform people and is eventually closed down or forgotten.

From the looks of it, I think this thread is approaching step three. Eh, just have fun with it while its around. It does bring out scpod and he and I generally have fun tearing the OPs apart. Although, this one is kind of boring. Hey, didn't I say I wasn't going to comment on these thread anymore? Damn hypocrite I am.
 
Thanks for sharing your opinions. There are a lot of good things about LECOM-B and many that need improvement. It's important to find a school that fits you, and often times that seems to be different than the school that might look good on paper.

LECOM-B is in some ways an experiment - to my knowledge, it is the nation's only all PBL school, certainly the only all PBL DO school. There are many visions of how to implement that experiment, and sometimes differing opinions about what priorities should be.

i grew up in breadenton and wanted to move back but after my interview & acceptance at LECOM-Bradenton i chose another school... even though it was in the midwest.
1) no cadaver lab. not only was there no cadaver lab but i was ridiculed and insulted when i asked questions about it. This was the case from both faculity and the students who ate lunch with us "go getters like you can volunteer to disect cadavers in the summer for the fall class" what? the anatomy prof actually said that teaching MS1 anatomy was a waste of time that "if you needed to learn it you would in your residency"...

True that the LECOM program is accelerated and cadavers are prosected. Untrue that there is no cadaver lab - I will be spending all afternoon in it - doing dissection. It is hard for me to imagine any professor saying anatomy isn't important - if it were up to the anatomists at the school, we'd probably each have our own body and dissect for the whole two years. As I mentioned above, accelerating anatomy is a choice to allow more time to learn the rest of medicine. Whether or not it is the right choice is certainly a valid debate, as well as one which has been discussed on sdn at length.

2) no faculity research... the two faculity members that i interviewed with either did not do research or didnt want to talk about it. they were by far the LEAST impressive interviewers that i had (4 interviews 2 MD, 2 DO)

Lack of research is a weakness of DO schools in general and LECOM-B is no different. There is little to no research happening here.

3) insulting me for expressing an interest in research and surgery

Odd, one of our professors is a general surgeon, and there is a very active SOSA chapter on campus.

4) creepy feel of building... i was actually told by a 2nd year who ate lunch with us that they "watch the cameras" but that "there is no problem with privacy" that would be NO PRIVACY, right? why are there cameras in ALL of the halls, the libary and many of the rooms? NO students walking the halls? creepy...
5)coporate feel... office space anyone?

Watch out for the clown hallway - their eyes follow you! It's a PBL school, so there are less students hanging around. I tend to agree about the "coldness" of the building - there are just not a lot of places to chill in the building. The campus definitely doesn't have a casual feel, at least from 9-5. If you are a really casual person you might not like it here. Personally, I treat the campus almost like an office - I go there and work, but I don't spend a lot of extra time there.

6)they absoutly refused to talk scores... COMLEX or USMLE just metioned that one student blew away the USMLE...

One class has taken the boards so far, and the results weren't stellar. The pass rate was somewhere in the low 80's. I'm sure they don't want to advertise this to interviewees, but it's no big secret. I anticipate large jumps over the next couple years in pass rate.

7) didnt subscribe to MedLine or PsychInfo... WHAT? Both my Undergrad instution and my grad school subscribed to BOTH as well as many others... the lib. had EMPTY shelves and their excuse "they are for future issues" didnt hold up since the librarian said they almost exclusively used online resources... WAIT NO MEDLINE!
The library has the following databases available: OVID MEDLINE, EbscoHost, STAT!Ref Electronic Medical Library, OSTMED, LEXI-COMP CRL. It'd be nice to have a larger library, but honestly I don't see myself using a library in med school like I did in undergrad. In med school, what you need to know is laid out very clearly for you, the challenges are the volume and in some cases the complexity of the material. I occasionally pull articles from NEJM, but that's about it.

the facility is beautiful but i have a bit of trouble with this school. I was excited about PBL and not having to sit in lectures for hours on end. I truly believe that PBL is the best way to learn but LECOM-bradenton just doesnt implement it in a fashion that i could deal with.

I was accepted to several others schools, but I chose LECOM-B for PBL, and I'm very glad I did. It's important to go to a school that fits your learning style - after interviewing at other schools, I just couldn't see myself thriving in lectures the way I do in PBL. Best of Luck to you wherever you choose to attend!
 
Lack of research is a weakness of DO schools in general and LECOM-B is no different. There is little to no research happening here.

Yet, they are gearing up for a lot more research. The big truck blocking the drive last week was full of the office furniture that we needed to finally get all the lab equipment (that's been there for a while) up an running. It should be pretty active by summer. Also, a couple of professoes have received grants for their research that will begin soon. With the addition of the Pharmacy school, expect the pace to pick up even more.
 
Where are the labs going to be? Didn't see anything that looked like it'd be used for future research labs on the interview tour...

When you walk through the entrance and turn to the left at the end of the hallway, you would be heading toward the front lobby, library, cafteria, etc. If, instead of turning left, you made a right through those double doors you would be in the research wing. They don't take you there on the tour.
 
any word on what profs are doing what research?

The only one I've actually talked to about it was Dr. Laco. I think his work has to do with human topoisomerase...something about anti-cancer and anti-HIV drug research. I'm really not sure if it's the same stuff he was doing at the University of Washington med school or not. I wish I could tell you more. I might ask one of the research club guys. I know they could give you a better answer.
 
Those are designs made by Juel Design Studios. The designs have existed for quite a few years now, but they don't actually exist.

The designs exist, but they don't acutally exist?

I realize the statues were probably never made (which I still have my doubts they aren't in Ferretti's basement). But the fact designs were even made is ridiculous.
 
The designs exist, but they don't acutally exist?

I realize the statues were probably never made (which I still have my doubts they aren't in Ferretti's basement). But the fact designs were even made is ridiculous.

It wasn't something that anyone even ordered or asked for. The designer thought it would be a great tribute, came up with the idea on his own, and posted the designs on his own website.
 
Just so potential students have accurate information:

1) no cadaver lab. not only was there no cadaver lab but i was ridiculed and insulted when i asked questions about it. This was the case from both faculity and the students who ate lunch with us "go getters like you can volunteer to disect cadavers in the summer for the fall class" what? the anatomy prof actually said that teaching MS1 anatomy was a waste of time that "if you needed to learn it you would in your residency"...

I'm not sure what you mean by this. There is an anatomy lab containing 2 prosected cadavers (at least that was how many when I was there). I happen to agree with the school's relative lack of emphasis on anatomy lab compared with the traditional method. It's really not that helpful in practice - you will get the foundation of anatomy in lecture, and actually the one thing I'll say about OMM is it provides a good education in MSK anatomy. If you're going into surgery or something that is anatomy-heavy you'll have to intensely review anatomy anyway during clerkships and postgrad.

2) no faculity research... the two faculity members that i interviewed with either did not do research or didnt want to talk about it. they were by far the LEAST impressive interviewers that i had (4 interviews 2 MD, 2 DO)

True for now. When they do start doing research it will still be way less than allo schools. That is a DO thing.

3) insulting me for expressing an interest in research and surgery

Very surprsing, find them encouraging in whatever you want to do. In fact I can say very strongly that they nurture whatever your aspirations are - whether it's neurosurgery at an allopathic program or family practice at an osteo one. There's no emphasis on primary care or region of practice, in contrast to many DO schools - and perhaps even Erie.


4) creepy feel of building... i was actually told by a 2nd year who ate lunch with us that they "watch the cameras" but that "there is no problem with privacy" that would be NO PRIVACY, right? why are there cameras in ALL of the halls, the libary and many of the rooms? NO students walking the halls? creepy...
5)coporate feel... office space anyone?

Both true. If you want a school where you want to be able to hang out and chill, maybe some couches to sit on, have some coffee, lounge around etc. it is not for you. As someone else said, it's more like going to the office and then going home. The nice thing is it's PBL, so you don't have to be there much at all.

6)they absoutly refused to talk scores... COMLEX or USMLE just metioned that one student blew away the USMLE...

More than one student did very well on USMLE. I know at least 4, and I only really talk to like 10 people at this point. The overall pass rate on the COMLEX was slightly below average, but I think you would find that the scores were stratified. There were a good chunk of people that did very well. That means it's not the school that determines scores, it's the students.

7) didnt subscribe to MedLine or PsychInfo... WHAT? Both my Undergrad instution and my grad school subscribed to BOTH as well as many others... the lib. had EMPTY shelves and their excuse "they are for future issues" didnt hold up since the librarian said they almost exclusively used online resources... WAIT NO MEDLINE!

They do have medline as well as a bunch of other databases, UptoDate etc. You really don't need that stuff though, especially first two years. I didn't use any of it a single time. During rotations you'll use UptoDate and pubmed etc sometimes. What they have is much more than enough.

Not talking up the school, just correcting inaccuracies.
 
So there are only 2 prosected cadavers to learn anatomy?

Makes me happy that PCOM has over 50 cadavers with a full dissection gross anatomy course + a plastination lab.

As a future surgeon I can tell you that my experience with cadaver dissection was HUGE.
 
So there are only 2 prosected cadavers to learn anatomy?

Makes me happy that PCOM has over 50 cadavers with a full dissection gross anatomy course + a plastination lab.

As a future surgeon I can tell you that my experience with cadaver dissection was HUGE.

Your whatever number of weeks doing that really made a difference years later? Not doubting you, just surprised.
 
I happen to agree with the school's relative lack of emphasis on anatomy lab compared with the traditional method. It's really not that helpful in practice - you will get the foundation of anatomy in lecture

What?! Are you serious?

True for now. When they do start doing research it will still be way less than allo schools. That is a DO thing.

A "DO Thing"?? 🙄

There's no emphasis on primary care or region of practice, in contrast to many DO schools - and perhaps even Erie.

So they dont teach anatomy properly.
They dont cultivate research.
But they want you to specialize?

I have a hard time believing that.

Why wouldnt they push primary care? Afterall, its a "DO Thing" to do so.

If you want a school where you want to be able to hang out and chill, maybe some couches to sit on, have some coffee, lounge around etc. it is not for you. As someone else said, it's more like going to the office and then going home.

Yeah...who would want to mix school with pleasure. Treat it like a factory or an office...THATS where I want to spend my time. 🙄

More than one student did very well on USMLE. I know at least 4

Almost an entire hand.

The overall pass rate on the COMLEX was slightly below average, but I think you would find that the scores were stratified. There were a good chunk of people that did very well. That means it's not the school that determines scores, it's the students.

And if the scores were above average you would be telling us it was BECAUSE of the school

They do have medline as well as a bunch of other databases, UptoDate etc. You really don't need that stuff though, especially first two years. I didn't use any of it a single time. During rotations you'll use UptoDate and pubmed etc sometimes. What they have is much more than enough.

You use these resources a lot if you DO RESEARCH.

Not talking up the school, just correcting inaccuracies.

Sugar coating them perhaps.
 
Your whatever number of weeks doing that really made a difference years later? Not doubting you, just surprised.

My nearly 5 months of dissection with access to over 50 cadavers. Not to mention the genetic and anatomic anomalies you are bound to encounter with that many bodies.

Yeah, it mattered a whole lot.

You cant get everything from a book.

I can see it now...a LECOM 3rd year in the OR

Surgeon: "Do you see how the cystic artery comes around the duct like this? You will remember from gross anatomy that the normal position would be around this way [motioning]. Also, palpate the liver...see how different it feels in a living person than in a cadaver?"
Student: "I didnt take gross anatomy"
Surgeon: "You didnt? Then how did you learn anatomy?"
Student: "I looked at pictures in a book and also used this really cool DVD that allowed me to visualize structures in 3D"
Surgeon: "Why dont you visualize scrubbing out"

Embarassing.
 
Dude why are you being a huge dick? Someone must have had a bad day in surgery...:laugh:

Yes I'm serious about anatomy. It has made no difference in my training. Then you jump to an exagerration in your second post that we've never palpated livers or saw the cystic artery? Yes we did see them and palpate them, we just didnt cut the fat away from around them. So your second post is worthless.

Yes, lack of research compared with allopathic institutions is a "DO thing". Deal with it. Where did I say it's a good thing?

Pushing primary care happens to be something the school doesn't do. Are you going to argue that with me when I'm a student there and you're not?

Where did I say the atmosphere of the school is good. I specifically agreed with the poster I quoted in saying I didn't like it and it's good you don't have to be there long.

I said at least 4 people did well on USMLE (well meaning 240+) in response to the person I quoted saying the committee told him one did. That is four times what they told him, and as I said was out of a sample of 10 max. If you have so much research experience you should understand that concept.

Why would I tell you the scores were because of the school. I scored 99th percentile, I'm not saying it's because of the school. Where are you getting the idea I'm defending teh school. My only intention was to give applicants accurate information, good or bad.

Go back to the OR and stop taking out your abuse on other people.
 
Although its against my better judgment to get anywhere near this powder keg - for the record, cadaver dissection is available at LECOM-B, if you want it. Funny thing is, everybody says they want to do it, until it's voluntary, then no one wants to do it. 🙄

We have four bodies between about 12 volunteers, most of whom will be clearing out for the summer, so it will be a handful of us working closely with the anatomy profs.
 
Dude why are you being a huge dick? Someone must have had a bad day in surgery...:laugh:

Yes I'm serious about anatomy. It has made no difference in my training. Then you jump to an exagerration in your second post that we've never palpated livers or saw the cystic artery? Yes we did see them and palpate them, we just didnt cut the fat away from around them. So your second post is worthless.

Yes, lack of research compared with allopathic institutions is a "DO thing". Deal with it. Where did I say it's a good thing?

Pushing primary care happens to be something the school doesn't do. Are you going to argue that with me when I'm a student there and you're not?

Where did I say the atmosphere of the school is good. I specifically agreed with the poster I quoted in saying I didn't like it and it's good you don't have to be there long.

I said at least 4 people did well on USMLE (well meaning 240+) in response to the person I quoted saying the committee told him one did. That is four times what they told him, and as I said was out of a sample of 10 max. If you have so much research experience you should understand that concept.

Why would I tell you the scores were because of the school. I scored 99th percentile, I'm not saying it's because of the school. Where are you getting the idea I'm defending teh school. My only intention was to give applicants accurate information, good or bad.

Go back to the OR and stop taking out your abuse on other people.

Youre a bit defensive. I suppose constantly standing up for a second rate education will do that to a person.
 
Is your new mission to turn every thread into a flame war until it gets closed? 👎

I was replying to what was already said above about the school.

Im not the one who turned to personal attacks.

I wash my hands of any blame here.
 
Interview day at LECOM was pretty interesting.

I walked in through the back entrance with a cup of coffee which was immediately grabbed from my hand and dumped.

The tour of the building didn't include a visit to the anatomy lab for some odd reason. When I asked the students giving us the tour, I was told that "the lab isn't open this time of the year."

I was pleased to see that I was offered two slices of white bread with lettuce, tomatoes, and cheese for lunch. So appetizing! Thanks for catering to the non-flesh eating people out there 👎 The lack of options in the surrounding city doesn't help either
 
Interview day at LECOM was pretty interesting.

I walked in through the back entrance with a cup of coffee which was immediately grabbed from my hand and dumped.

The tour of the building didn't include a visit to the anatomy lab for some odd reason. When I asked the students giving us the tour, I was told that "the lab isn't open this time of the year."

I was pleased to see that I was offered two slices of white bread with lettuce, tomatoes, and cheese for lunch. So appetizing! Thanks for catering to the non-flesh eating people out there 👎 The lack of options in the surrounding city doesn't help either

:laugh:

Do they tell you when to pee as well?
 
I can see it now...a LECOM 3rd year in the OR

Surgeon: "Do you see how the cystic artery comes around the duct like this? You will remember from gross anatomy that the normal position would be around this way [motioning]. Also, palpate the liver...see how different it feels in a living person than in a cadaver?"
Student: "I didnt take gross anatomy"
Surgeon: "You didnt? Then how did you learn anatomy?"
Student: "I looked at pictures in a book and also used this really cool DVD that allowed me to visualize structures in 3D"
Surgeon: "Why dont you visualize scrubbing out"

Embarassing.

Well, since you just called my education second rate, I'm bound to think you're pretty much acting like an a$$, but I have to admit that is some funny stuff. "Visualize scrubbing out...":laugh:
 
Well, since you just called my education second rate, I'm bound to think you're pretty much acting like an a$$, but I have to admit that is some funny stuff. "Visualize scrubbing out...":laugh:

Perhaps that was a bit harsh...but come on, becoming a physician without ever having gone through gross anatomy?

Its like starting your first day on the job as a mechanic and looking at the engine and saying "wow, Ive seen pictures of these things but they are much cooler in person."
 
Still don't see how having prosected cadavers equals not "ever having gone through gross anatomy."

And yes I'm defensive when someone takes what I say and distorts it, regardless of what it is in reference to.
 
Its like starting your first day on the job as a mechanic and looking at the engine and saying "wow, Ive seen pictures of these things but they are much cooler in person."

While that's funny, it's still kind of misleading. I rarely use the the "from what I've heard" but I have heard that Erie has changed the way it does gross now. It's supposedly going to be much different this year from when nicedream was there. Yet, they all still got to see all the real body parts. Granted they didn't have the variety or have to cut through tons of fat and fascia to see all the parts, but they saw them in person.

On the subject of cutting...anyone at Lecom-B has the chance to be part of the dissection team if they choose to do so. Most people simply choose not to do so. Maybe the one's who are a part of the team want to be surgeons? I just don't know. But we study anatomy for two years. Everytime we look at a diffferent section of the body in PBL we review anatomy and histology all over again. I'm being tested yet again on the anatomy and histology of the abdominal viscera in two weeks. I've almost begun to get sick of it. I'm going to be a doctor, not an anatomist. Plus, we are bombarded with anatomy in OPP as well. No, it isn't cutting through the body, but I really don't need that for what I'm going to do. To assume that ALL doctors need to remove fat and fascia to be doctors is simply ludicrous. I'll bet I know a lot more about anatomy than a whole lot of people-- and I chose not to dissect.
 
I was replying to what was already said above about the school.

Im not the one who turned to personal attacks.

I wash my hands of any blame here.

Dude, you really are being a jackass.

In your second post, you were incredibly defensive even though no one had replied to your first post yet. In your third post, you told them they were getting a second-rate education (cue first personal attack). For the price and sacrifice of going to medical school, those words are more than harsh. I have no trouble understanding why they came back at you.

When it comes to LECOM threads, I've learned to let the students attack the school. They do a pretty good job of tearing it apart without an outsider's (who's probably never even set foot on campus) help.
 
I'm all for prosection because I don't think I gained much from the actual process of dissecting. I definitely learned more from studying from the already dissected cadavers. Dissection is an expensive and woefully inefficient method that people seem to cling to because of tradition.
 
I rarely use the the "from what I've heard" but I have heard that Erie has changed the way it does gross now. It's supposedly going to be much different this year from when nicedream was there.

I go to Bradenton not Erie. Unless by "Erie" you just meant LECOM in general.
 
Dude, you really are being a jackass.

In your second post, you were incredibly defensive even though no one had replied to your first post yet. In your third post, you told them they were getting a second-rate education (cue first personal attack). For the price and sacrifice of going to medical school, those words are more than harsh. I have no trouble understanding why they came back at you.

When it comes to LECOM threads, I've learned to let the students attack the school. They do a pretty good job of tearing it apart without an outsider's (who's probably never even set foot on campus) help.

My comments are based on comparing one school to another. Which is an important part of any critique.

And I have indeed been there, more than once. 👍
 
I go to Bradenton not Erie. Unless by "Erie" you just meant LECOM in general.

Perhaps I should have elaborated more. I included thoughts on Erie in the first paragraph because the whole "Lecom sucks" thread was started about the Erie campus, not Bradenton. I mentioned that I didn't know anything about them really, but I have heard that things are being changed quite a bit.

The second paragraph is really just about Bradenton, since I have a little more expertise there. Things at the school have drastically changed since your class made it's way through the program. We hear horror stories every day of what you guys had to go through...but a lot of changes were made to ensure that those things are not repeated.

It's not just that there are more cadavers now(there are), but the atmosphere is a lot different these days. The vast majority of the students enjoy it there. Lots of them chose Bradenton over other schools because they liked what they saw during interviews. There is a good bit of comradery among the kids who are there now. a lot of people hang out after classes, not just to study, but to socialize as well. The administration has developed a track record of listening to students and a lot of their issues and they are making a legitimate attempt to make things better. You guys have had problems with rotations in Michigan and Ohio, so those are being cut out altogether (almost) for the next class and more are being added in the southeast. The way mini-courses are done will be totally different next year. The way embryo is taught will be changing next year. The way clinical exam is done has changed every year and is likely to change again. Board review will be totally different next year from what it was originally (it will also change drastically from what is being done this year as we speak). Some faculty are leaving and new ones are coming in. Research has begun in earnest. The furniture for the labs finally arrived and the equipment has been nearly set up. Grants have been distributed and everything will begin this summer. The addition of the Pharmacy school (while it will suck for parking and space in the caferia and library, etc.) is bringing in some new professors and added research opportunities.

No, it's not a perfect place to be-- far from that. But, it has adapted to the needs of the incoming students quite well, and has begun to develop a bit of personality on its own.
 
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