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[bunnybear]

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Does anyone know much about LECOM, beside the info on their website. What are their avg numbers, how hard is it to get into it, do ppl like it there, do they do research, ...?

 

[patho]

I think the avg MCAT is a 23. I don't think there's too much research going on at LECOM. I would think it's competitive like any medical school, but less competitive than the MD schools and possibly on the lower end of the DO schools.

 

[FrogE7]

I think the avg MCAT is a 23. I don't think there's too much research going on at LECOM. I would think it's competitive like any medical school, but less competitive than the MD schools and possibly on the lower end of the DO schools.

I don't really agree with LECOM-PA being on the "lower end" of DO schools. There is a lot to be said about a school that has been around for a while and is well established in the medical community, compared to TUCOM-Nevada which has no match list yet. We don't know where that school stands.

Out of curiosity, what are you basing your conclusion on?

 

[sort_timer]

I don't really agree with LECOM-PA being on the "lower end" of DO schools. There is a lot to be said about a school that has been around for a while and is well established in the medical community, compared to TUCOM-Nevada which has no match list yet. We don't know where that school stands.

Out of curiosity, what are you basing your conclusion on?

I'm a 4th yr @ LECOM- PA. please don't judge me on the completeness of my sentences, i'm on an icu rotation and i'm busy.

good: good school. professional atmosphere. good rotations.
bad: ISP pathway (too much room to screw off), poor straight forward board study direction (personal opinion: in medical school you need to stop asking to be spoon fed info...get it your self), money conscience place.

currently applying to EM residencies. all aloopathic. all competative. bottom line: i'm a strong applicant. this is in large part because of me. (personal 2 cents: people can still be screw ups in harvard).

good luck.

 

[patho]

I wasn't stating the school was on the lower end. I was stating the competitiveness for admission to the school was on the lower end compared to other schools. I'm sure the school trains great physicians and provides a great education.

This is a partial source of my information:

http://www.kcom.edu/faculty/chamberlain/ranmcat.htm

Oh and by the way.. what are you basing your information on?

 

[Night Owl]

 

[FrogE7]

I wasn't stating the school was on the lower end. I was stating the competitiveness for admission to the school was on the lower end compared to other schools. I'm sure the school trains great physicians and provides a great education.

This is a partial source of my information:

http://www.kcom.edu/faculty/chamberlain/ranmcat.htm

Oh and by the way.. what are you basing your information on?

I was basing my information on the fact that LECOM has been around for many years and has a pretty decent match list, in my oppinion, that is. I also have a few friends who went there, one of whom has just graduated and matched into RADS. On the other hand, TUCOM-Nevada is too new to have a match list to make an educated decision.

I believe sort_timer said it best when he recognized his success as his own doing. A good education will get you so far, and the rest is up to you.

 

[Nate]

I will base my knowledge of LECOM on one of its graduates who was a mentor of mine in undergrad. He is one of the best ER docs I ever met so LECOM must be a strong program.
I think the reason LECOM is a little less competitive is because, hey, it's in Erie. The dress code and stuff may be another reason people pass it over but I am rather certain you will get a great education there.

 

[wytosk]

Whats their dress code???

 

[Jezzielin]

Whats their dress code???

Guys wear ties and nice pants. Girls have to wear stockings/nylons if they have open toed shoes I think. No jeans, sweats, scrubs... what else?

I like this idea because I feel that it prepares me more to be a professional... If you break the dress code they have someone sitting outside the lecture hall that will send you home if you aren't dressed appropriately.

 

[Raven Feather]

Does anyone know much about LECOM, beside the info on their website. What are their avg numbers, how hard is it to get into it, do ppl like it there, do they do research, ...?

I had a recent interview there and was told the ave 1st time pass on boards was ~91%. I was also told that the PBL people tend to have higher scores than ISP and LDP.

There is opportunities for research there, as we were givine a tour of the research facility headed by the PhD biochemist. Don't know how much of it is available though--didn't ask b/c I am not looking to do laboratory research.

As far as ave. MCAT, I think it is 23-24ish, and GPA (if I am remembering correctly) is 3.4-3.5ish.

Someone dropped a link giving averages of schools somewhere on a different thread.

 

[sort_timer]

The dress code issue is kind of wierd. but you have to dress the same way for your rotations. So you get used to it a little early. to tell you the truth, there was only a couple of people in the class that had an issue with the dress code. but they also had an issue with bathing. everyone else was fine with it.

all the stuff in the school is so dam new and nice.

the passing rate is about 91-92% for step 1 (however very low for the USLME) and for step 2 it's like 98%.



LDP LECOM 2006

 

[patho]

that's an awesome pass rate. hope it all works out for you. good luck.

 

[FrogE7]

The dress code issue is kind of wierd. but you have to dress the same way for your rotations. So you get used to it a little early. to tell you the truth, there was only a couple of people in the class that had an issue with the dress code. but they also had an issue with bathing. everyone else was fine with it.

all the stuff in the school is so dam new and nice.

the passing rate is about 91-92% for step 1 (however very low for the USLME) and for step 2 it's like 98%.



LDP LECOM 2006

Sorry I misunderstood.

So 91-92% pass the COMLEX, but not as many pass the USMLE?
Or is it that 91-92% pass the USMLE, but do not get high grades?

Could you please clarify?
Thank you for all the info!

 

[wolfram241]

Guys wear ties and nice pants. Girls have to wear stockings/nylons if they have open toed shoes I think. No jeans, sweats, scrubs... what else?

I like this idea because I feel that it prepares me more to be a professional... If you break the dress code they have someone sitting outside the lecture hall that will send you home if you aren't dressed appropriately.

I don't know, I guess we're in the minority here, as I like the idea of the dress code as well! Does that really hurt the number of applications they receive?

Anything else about admissions, what they look for in particular etc?

 

[Doctor Bagel]

I don't know, I guess we're in the minority here, as I like the idea of the dress code as well! Does that really hurt the number of applications they receive?

Anything else about admissions, what they look for in particular etc?

i'm just curious if people who've had professional jobs that have required them to dress up every day dig the dress code. i've had to dress up every day for the past three years. it's doable, but honestly, i'd rather wear jeans. i sort of resent being required to dress up to go to class when it seems so unnecessary. it's going to be nice to get a two year break from the dress up thing. yeah, i know i'll have to do it during rotations and for the rest of my life, but the more i can get out of it, the better.

 

[sort_timer]

i'm just curious if people who've had professional jobs that have required them to dress up every day dig the dress code. i've had to dress up every day for the past three years. it's doable, but honestly, i'd rather wear jeans. i sort of resent being required to dress up to go to class when it seems so unnecessary. it's going to be nice to get a two year break from the dress up thing. yeah, i know i'll have to do it during rotations and for the rest of my life, but the more i can get out of it, the better.

Here's the rub on the dress code. When you get into medical school, be it MD or DO, be it ultra competative or not, it's still medical school. It's like taking a sip out of niagara falls. 😱 you forget about the dress code issue if you have an issue with it and start to care more about the sleep you don't get , when to find time for your significant other, for your family, and most of all...how you are going to remember all this f***in information. to take a step back (and not to sound condicending) if medical school was easy there would be a lot of doctors out there. there is a reason why we get paid the big bucks...and i'm sure all of you will enjoy the pain soon enough. 😀

4 years went by fast in LECOM. 1st and 2nd year was a blerr. 3rd year was in pittsburgh. 4th year is being spent looking for residecies (away rotations).

COMLEX (91-92% pass rate). The school recently contracted with the kaplan group to have their people come in and give you a 2 wk prep program. this came with books and tests (free of charge).

USLME was lower. The reason for this is because the school trains you up to take the COMLEX and not the USLME. which is a test that focuses more on biochemisry, histology, statistics, pathology (not the same as pathophysiology).

Good luck.

 

[FrogE7]

If you select the PBL pathway, is lecture manditory? Then you do not have to dress up every day, correct? Also, are the board scores for the PBL students better? That is what I heard.

 

[FutureDocDO]

If you select the PBL pathway, is lecture manditory? Then you do not have to dress up every day, correct? Also, are the board scores for the PBL students better? That is what I heard.

Lecture is not mandatory for PBL but you are required to show up for your group meetings dressed appropriately? as required of everyone by LECOM. If you are on campus before a certain time, 5:00PM, then you are required to dress up like everyone else. I was told PBL students score consistently above LDP. I am not a current student. What I'm telling you is what I remembered during my interview. It's not necessarily correct 🙂 .

 

[Raven Feather]

If you select the PBL pathway, is lecture manditory? Then you do not have to dress up every day, correct? Also, are the board scores for the PBL students better? That is what I heard.

The first 12 or so weeks EVERYONE in the different pathways have to attend mandatory class for anatomy, histology, etc. After that, the different pathways break out. PBL group meets about 3 times a week (I was told) I assume this is mandatory, it would be that hard to show up anyway, and yes, you have dress the code to meet in your group and any other time you have to enter the building except for OMM lab each week. As posted previously, I was also told by the admissions staff that PBL student tend to score higher on boards.

Digressing:

I really don't mind the dress code, I mean it is a profession, and I am sure if not, people would be coming to class with their clubbing outfits on. Would, I prefer to wear jeans? Sure. But many med schools have dress codes, and I would not base my decision to go to a school because of it.

 

[FutureDocDO]

Even if a particular school doesn't require a dress code, there are still guidelines as to what is acceptable.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

i don't know -- i think a dress code says something about a culture of a school, and it indicates that it's not a culture that's a great fit for me. i'm a very informal person and would live in my jeans if i could. i'd be happier in a more informal academic environment. sure, i expect to work my a$$ off, but i don't expect to be hassled by insignificant things like whether or not i'm wearing hose.

if lecom were the only school i could get into, i'd go in spite of the dress code. i'd still not like it, though.

 

[Raven Feather]

i don't know -- i think a dress code says something about a culture of a school, and it indicates that it's not a culture that's a great fit for me. i'm a very informal person and would live in my jeans if i could. i'd be happier in a more informal academic environment. sure, i expect to work my a$$ off, but i don't expect to be hassled by insignificant things like whether or not i'm wearing hose.

if lecom were the only school i could get into, i'd go in spite of the dress code. i'd still not like it, though.

You do have a valid point. But what we have to realize, as nontrads, some people are admitted to med school that don't have a clue about professionalism--at my last interview, a girl wore flip flops! NO JOKE. Another girl wasn't even dressed in professional attire, in fact, she had on some causual pink, cloth, jacket thingy on that she never took off. Huh? It is not acceptable for any med school interview, let alone one at a school that emphasizes professionalism with a dress code!

 

[nerdgrrl]

You do have a valid point. But what we have to realize, as nontrads, some people are admitted to med school that don't have a clue about professionalism--at my last interview, a girl wore flip flops! NO JOKE. Another girl wasn't even dressed in professional attire, in fact, she had on some causual pink, cloth, jacket thingy on that she never took off. Huh? It is not acceptable for any med school interview, let alone one at a school that emphasizes professionalism with a dress code!

I think I was at the same interview as you- LECOM 10/17? I kept thinking they were somebody's sister or something. I felt kinda bad though.

But anyway, it's true. I've been dressing in professional clothes every day since I graduated from college, except for the days I'm in scrubs because I'm in procedures with the doctors. But when I was in college, I might not have thought about it. You get kinda used to it being ok to show up to class in your pajamas, as long as you wear closed toed shoes to lab. I'm not really of the opinion that a dress code is all that big of a deal. I'm a grown up now, and I think it's ok to dress like one.

 

[Raven Feather]

I think I was at the same interview as you- LECOM 10/17? I kept thinking they were somebody's sister or something. I felt kinda bad though.

But anyway, it's true. I've been dressing in professional clothes every day since I graduated from college, except for the days I'm in scrubs because I'm in procedures with the doctors. But when I was in college, I might not have thought about it. You get kinda used to it being ok to show up to class in your pajamas, as long as you wear closed toed shoes to lab. I'm not really of the opinion that a dress code is all that big of a deal. I'm a grown up now, and I think it's ok to dress like one.

Which one are you, are you the one whose major is Women's studies, and now lives in Baltimore? (Hope I didn't disclose too much info).

I agree that while in undergrad it is one thing, but at a medical school interview? When people dress at certain way at a med school interview like I mentioned above, it becomes evident why a dress code would be put in place. Some people either don't know any better or don't care. I don't mean to sound like I am so special or anything, but I was shocked. Hopefully this post will help other people who don't know any better.....but I guess if they visited here, they would have known.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Which one are you, are you the one whose major is Women's studies, and now lives in Baltimore? (Hope I didn't disclose too much info).

I agree that while in undergrad it is one thing, but at a medical school interview? When people dress at certain way at a med school interview like I mentioned above, it becomes evident why a dress code would be put in place. Some people either don't know any better or don't care. I don't mean to sound like I am so special or anything, but I was shocked. Hopefully this post will help other people who don't know any better.....but I guess if they visited here, they would have known.

but that's sort of saying that lecom has subpar students who don't know how to dress appropriately. i'm starting to wonder if it's true because i haven't been at an interview yet where anybody was dressed inappropriately. if not, the implication is actually insulting -- actually, i guess that's the heart of my whole complaint. just because i love to wear jeans and flip flops on a regular basis doesn't mean i don't know how to dress for an interview, for work or that i won't know how to dress for clinicals. and, i don't think i'm that unusual.

dressing up is not rocket science, and it's not the type of behavior that needs to be continually reinforced. i, like most people, can alternate between dressing up and going totally casual.

also, i guess my other big issue with the dress code thing is that i think what you wear is the least important element of being a professional. schools that place so much emphasis on appearance are, imo, placing fluff over substance.

 

[Raven Feather]

but that's sort of saying that lecom has subpar students who don't know how to dress appropriately. i'm starting to wonder if it's true because i haven't been at an interview yet where anybody was dressed inappropriately. if not, the implication is actually insulting -- actually, i guess that's the heart of my whole complaint. just because i love to wear jeans and flip flops on a regular basis doesn't mean i don't know how to dress for an interview, for work or that i won't know how to dress for clinicals. and, i don't think i'm that unusual.

dressing up is not rocket science, and it's not the type of behavior that needs to be continually reinforced. i, like most people, can alternate between dressing up and going totally casual.

also, i guess my other big issue with the dress code thing is that i think what you wear is the least important element of being a professional. schools that place so much emphasis on appearance are, imo, placing fluff over substance.

I don't know that I can go as far to say b/c the way someone is dressed that they are subpar. I wear flip flops, jeans, and all that. First impressions mean a lot at an interview. My whole thing is just that I was shocked at my interview b/c adm committees expect a certain professional look which usually doesn't entail flip flops and such. It makes me wonder.

You are right, professionalism is more about actions and behavior than dress--but in Western culture, first impressions are usually made by looking at a personal outwardly.

 

[FutureDocDO]

--at my last interview, a girl wore flip flops! NO JOKE. Another girl wasn't even dressed in professional attire, in fact, she had on some causual pink, cloth, jacket thingy on that she never took off. Huh? It is not acceptable for any med school interview, let alone one at a school that emphasizes professionalism with a dress code!

I agree that one need to dress and act appropriately for the occasion but maybe they had money issues and couldn't afford something nice. They might have lost their luggage. Just a thought.

 

[Raven Feather]

I agree that one need to dress and act appropriately for the occasion but maybe they had money issues and couldn't afford something nice. They might have lost their luggage. Just a thought.

Those girls I was talking about were in-staters, I had considered the money issue since I have been in many financial positions myself, but Good Will has suits, how about friends? When I first attended college, I had to borrow clothing from different friends just to attend class and not be made fun of--times are different for me now though. As far as the other girl with the flip flops, her suit was brown and so where her flip flops, she matched well, so that is what makes me think she had planned her attire. Im thinking that they thought it was okay, but I could be wrong and making assumptions I shouldn't be. 🙂

Anyway, do you know who actually decides whether or not we are accepted? Like, is it solely based on the interviewers who interviewed us?

 

[nerdgrrl]

Those girls I was talking about were in-staters, I had considered the money issue since I have been in many financial positions myself, but Good Will has suits, how about friends? When I first attended college, I had to borrow clothing from different friends just to attend class and not be made fun of--times are different for me now though. As far as the other girl with the flip flops, her suit was brown and so where her flip flops, she matched well, so that is what makes me think she had planned her attire. Im thinking that they thought it was okay, but I could be wrong and making assumptions I shouldn't be. 🙂

Anyway, do you know who actually decides whether or not we are accepted? Like, is it solely based on the interviewers who interviewed us?

Yep, I'm the women's studies major from Baltimore. Were you sitting across from me during the presentations, or a couple seats down from me? How do you think you did?

From what I gathered, our files went to the ADCOM, and they decided that grades and MCATs were good enough for an interview. now, we go back in front of the ADCOM, with interviewers evaluations, as well as recommendations. I know they didn't have my recommendations before I was invited for an interview, so I assume they haven't considered those yet. What I want to know is that since they've already met and know whether or not we're in, they can't tell us for three weeks?! I suppose I'm impatient sometimes.

 

[Raven Feather]

Yep, I'm the women's studies major from Baltimore. Were you sitting across from me during the presentations, or a couple seats down from me? How do you think you did?

From what I gathered, our files went to the ADCOM, and they decided that grades and MCATs were good enough for an interview. now, we go back in front of the ADCOM, with interviewers evaluations, as well as recommendations. I know they didn't have my recommendations before I was invited for an interview, so I assume they haven't considered those yet. What I want to know is that since they've already met and know whether or not we're in, they can't tell us for three weeks?! I suppose I'm impatient sometimes.

Im the one that was sitting across from you and wished you luck on trying to get back to your 7pm class that day! 😀 You seemed like a very nice person!

Which interview panel did you have? I had Dr.Evans, Hoogland, and Bradbury.
During the interview, I thought I was doing well but afterwards when driving home I started second guessing some of my answers. But Dr. Evans, before I came back in the room with everyone, said I did a good job and was very professional and mature. But I won't get my hopes up until I have an acceptance! You are right, 3 weeks is a looong time to wait when they decided our fates 2 days after the interview!

 

[nerdgrrl]

Im the one that was sitting across from you and wished you luck on trying to get back to your 7pm class that day! 😀 You seemed like a very nice person!

Which interview panel did you have? I had Dr.Evans, Hoogland, and Bradbury.
During the interview, I thought I was doing well but afterwards when driving home I started second guessing some of my answers. But Dr. Evans, before I came back in the room with everyone, said I did a good job and was very professional and mature. But I won't get my hopes up until I have an acceptance! You are right, 3 weeks is a looong time to wait when they decided our fates 2 days after the interview!

I thought that's who you were. I did make it to class- half an hour early!

I had Dr. Anico (or something like that?), Dr. Hussein, and I can't remember the other woman's name, which makes me feel rather dumb. I thought I did pretty well, but I rambled on a couple questions. I noticed that they kept checking "5's" on their interview sheets, so I'm hoping that's a good thing! Two of my three interviewers were super friendly, but the other was a bit frightening. Apparently my answer about which pathway I would prefer wasn't what he wanted to hear, and he made that very clear. oh well! Do you have other interviews?

 

[Raven Feather]

I thought that's who you were. I did make it to class- half an hour early!

I had Dr. Anico (or something like that?), Dr. Hussein, and I can't remember the other woman's name, which makes me feel rather dumb. I thought I did pretty well, but I rambled on a couple questions. I noticed that they kept checking "5's" on their interview sheets, so I'm hoping that's a good thing! Two of my three interviewers were super friendly, but the other was a bit frightening. Apparently my answer about which pathway I would prefer wasn't what he wanted to hear, and he made that very clear. oh well! Do you have other interviews?

I noticed they were writing things, but I didn't know if it was numerical or what. I wasn't sitting that close to see, I was interviewed in that room we were first in upon arriving. I seemed to really click with the female interviewer, couldn't really tell with the others. What pathway did you pick? What did he say? You can pm me if you don't want to post it one here. I chose PBL.

Yeah, I have other interviews: VCOM 11/2, KCUMB 11/10 and PCSOM 11/19

Good Job making it to class, even early!!!!

 

[FutureDocDO]

I have other interviews: VCOM 11/2, KCUMB 11/10 and PCSOM 11/19

Good luck with your future interviews. Now, where did PCSOM placed that interview invite of mine?

 

[Raven Feather]

Good luck with your future interviews. Now, where did PCSOM placed that interview invite of mine?

Thanks! Like I said, I think me mentioning I had family in KY helped, we will see what it does as far as acceptance! Did you call them in regards to the status of your app? I did hear that if you are not in-state or have no specific ties, you may have to wait for a later interview. I hope you get one, they offer a lot to their students it seems.

 

[FutureDocDO]

Thanks! Like I said, I think me mentioning I had family in KY helped, we will see what it does as far as acceptance! Did you call them in regards to the status of your app? I did hear that if you are not in-state or have no specific ties, you may have to wait for a later interview. I hope you get one, they offer a lot to their students it seems.

I don't have ties to that region not to mention state. I emailed them and was informed that my application is under review. That could mean anything or nothing 😕 . I heard the same thing. They interview in-state applicants first, then Appalachian region?, and then out-of-state applicants. I guess I will have to wait for my turn.

 

[Raven Feather]

I don't have ties to that region not to mention state. I emailed them and was informed that my application is under review. That could mean anything or nothing 😕 . I heard the same thing. They interview in-state applicants first, then Appalachian region?, and then out-of-state applicants. I guess I will have to wait for my turn.

How long ago was that (they said you were in review)?

 

[FutureDocDO]

How long ago was that (they said you were in review)?

It was on 10/19.

 

[Raven Feather]

It was on 10/19.

I think you should be hearing something soon. I got my complete post-card about a month before my interview invite.

 

[FutureDocDO]

I think you should be hearing something soon. I got my complete post-card about a month before my interview invite.

I sure hope so.

 

[Monty Python]

................As far as ave. MCAT, I think it is 23-24ish, and GPA (if I am remembering correctly) is 3.4-3.5ish.

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When people say "the avg MCAT and GPA were x.xx" does that mean the vast majority of scores hovered (within one standard deviation) around x.xx, with only a small handful skewed above or below? Or do the scores run considerably above and below x.xx, with that truly being just the "average"?

In other words, is x.xx the mean, median, or modal score? Thanks.

 

[Raven Feather]

When people say "the avg MCAT and GPA were x.xx" does that mean the vast majority of scores hovered (within one standard deviation) around x.xx, with only a small handful skewed above or below? Or do the scores run considerably above and below x.xx, with that truly being just the "average"?

In other words, is x.xx the mean, median, or modal score? Thanks.

It is just an average (mean) of all students who matriculated. They didn't give any standard deviations. Im sure it varies, some matriculated with 27 MCAT, Im sure others with 20 and GPA above and below a 3.5.