Let me ask.........

[visbimmer79]

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What's the difference between 😱

1) dental histology vs histology

2) dental physiology vs medical physiology

3) dental pathology vs pathology

Actually, I want to ask if reading dental pathology without reading dental histology is not a good idea.

As far as dental education is concerned, I've heard dental schools more focus on head & neck stuffs and dental-related normal & abnormal human conditions. I just wonder if it is different from what is covered at medical schools.

 

[Quattro DMD]

What's the difference between 😱

1) dental histology vs histology

2) dental physiology vs medical physiology

3) dental pathology vs pathology

Actually, I want to ask if reading dental pathology without reading dental histology is not a good idea.

As far as dental education is concerned, I've heard dental schools more focus on head & neck stuffs and dental-related normal & abnormal human conditions. I just wonder if it is different from what is covered at medical schools.

I would think that you would need a decent grasp of histology before you start studying pathology. I mean how could distinguish normal cells/tissue from abnormal cells/tissue if you have no idea what they are?

 

[armorshell]

Oral histology - Histology concerning the oral cavity and associated structure
Oral physiology - Physiology concerning the oral cavity and associated structure
Oral pathology - Pathology concerning the oral cavity and associated structure

You will cover both oral and general pathology, histology, and physiology in dental school.

 

[squeegeediver]

At Columbia, we take Anatomy with the med students for two out of the three blocks in the course.

The first block covers the thorax and abdomen. It is with the med students.
The second block for the med students covers the pelvic region and the legs. For the dental students, the second block covers craniology and basic radiography, along with an overview of head and neck anatomy. (Two of the labs are with cadavers; the rest are with skulls or radiographs.)
The third unit is with the med students again. It covers the head and neck in greater detail, along with the arms and shoulders.

The curriculum is changing, so I'm not sure how it'll be next year...

 

[visbimmer79]

I would think that you would need a decent grasp of histology before you start studying pathology. I mean how could distinguish normal cells/tissue from abnormal cells/tissue if you have no idea what they are?

Thanks~
Btw, I've heard dental pathology is very difficult!! Just that's it!

 

[DrNush]

Thanks~
Btw, I've heard dental pathology is very difficult!! Just that's it!

dental path is vast for sure... gotta go over it a few times to remember everything, that's what makes it difficult - but it's pretty enjoyable to learn all that stuff! 🙂

 

[visbimmer79]

dental path is vast for sure... gotta go over it a few times to remember everything, that's what makes it difficult - but it's pretty enjoyable to learn all that stuff! 🙂

'Is it worth' - type question

I am going to review physiology that I learned during my undergrad study.

The textbook is called "medical physiology" by Dr. Guyton.

<I believe I am going to learn dental physiology at my dental school. Hm..dental physiology, general physiology.........😕 (Anyway, I know that oral physiology does exist!!)>>>>>>

Do you think it's worth reviewing heart, renal parts, hormones during summer?
(Both for NBDE & dental yr1 & 2)

Do you also think it's worth reviewing nutrition parts and kinetics in biochem? (both for NBDE & dental yr1 & 2)

Plz help NYUCD people!!!

In my case, unless it is really crazy thing to do, I want to stick with my current belief that I'd better review these stuffs for myself. However, I want to hear that these subjects are really irrelevant with yr1 and yr 2 studies. (This is my buttom line, and I want to hear your honest and thoughtful answers)

😍

 

[UCSF2012]

'Is it worth' - type question

I am going to review physiology that I learned during my undergrad study.

The textbook is called "medical physiology" by Dr. Guyton.

<I believe I am going to learn dental physiology at my dental school. Hm..dental physiology, general physiology.........😕 (Anyway, I know that oral physiology does exist!!)>>>>>>

Do you think it's worth reviewing heart, renal parts, hormones during summer?
(Both for NBDE & dental yr1 & 2)

Do you also think it's worth reviewing nutrition parts and kinetics in biochem? (both for NBDE & dental yr1 & 2)

Plz help NYUCD people!!!

In my case, unless they are crazy things to do, I really want to stick to my current thinking that I'd better review these stuffs for myself. However, I want to hear that they are highly irrelevant with yr1 and yr 2 studies. (This is my buttom line, and I want to hear your honest and thoughtful answers)

😍

Good grief

 

[visbimmer79]

Good grief

😕

If you don't want to answer, will u just don't touch this thread?

So, others can answer!

 

[visbimmer79]

Compared to med curriculums, what makes learning physiology and histology at dental school distinctive?

I guess we are going to cover about the whole human body system in those two courses much less than med students, but learn a lot more about oral stuffs in depth. Am I right?

If this is true, how long and how deep am I going to cover our entire body system in physiology & histology classes at my dental school? (Not just limited to NYUCD, but generally!!)
I wonder if we are going to just go over them fast or skip many things until we reach dental related things.

Plz share your experience with me!! Thank you!🙂

 

[UCSF2012]

Compared to med curriculums, what makes learning physiology and histology at dental school distinctive?

I guess we are going to cover about the whole human body system in those two courses much less than med students, but learn a lot more about oral stuffs in depth. Am I right?

If this is true, how long and how deep am I going to cover our entire body system in physiology & histology classes at my dental school? (Not just limited to NYUCD, but generally!!)
I wonder if we are going to just go over them fast or skip many things until we reach dental related things.

Plz share your experience with me!! Thank you!🙂

Buy the Part I review books and you can answer everything for yourself. And if you must jump the gun in learning, you won't be able to learn everything available in the review books by the time dental school starts anyway.

 

[license2kill]

Buy the Part I review books and you can answer everything for yourself. And if you must jump the gun in learning, you won't be able to learn everything available in the review books by the time dental school starts anyway.

Just leave the man alone. He wants some advice to prepare ahead of time. Why hate? Most people would rather enjoy their breaks before dental school, but he wants to get ahead so he is asking others who have already been there. If you can't provide an answer, seriously, leave the negativity out.

When you are saying buy the part I review books and answer everything for yourself, how does that help him? Geez... Haters...

 

[UCSF2012]

Just leave the man alone. He wants some advice to prepare ahead of time. Why hate? Most people would rather enjoy their breaks before dental school, but he wants to get ahead so he is asking others who have already been there. If you can't provide an answer, seriously, leave the negativity out.

When you are saying buy the part I review books and answer everything for yourself, how does that help him? Geez... Haters...

Would you show me where the "hate" is located? That response was pure help. If he bought the Part I review books, he'd get a topic by topic breakdown of what he needs to know and to what extent he needs to know them. Much fuller answer than any student on here can answer him. Geez. Some people. 😡😕 If you think your advice on the dental curriculum's better than those professors who study the curriculum nationwide, then please go ahead and give him your advice.

 

[license2kill]

The OP was asking,

"'Is it worth' - type question

I am going to review physiology that I learned during my undergrad study.

The textbook is called "medical physiology" by Dr. Guyton.

<I believe I am going to learn dental physiology at my dental school. Hm..dental physiology, general physiology.........😕 (Anyway, I know that oral physiology does exist!!)>>>>>>

Do you think it's worth reviewing heart, renal parts, hormones during summer?
(Both for NBDE & dental yr1 & 2)

Do you also think it's worth reviewing nutrition parts and kinetics in biochem? (both for NBDE & dental yr1 & 2)"

And a "good grief" response did him no help. And neither did "go out and by a review book on your own to find out".

good grief......

 

[UCSF2012]

What's the difference between 😱

1) dental histology vs histology

2) dental physiology vs medical physiology

3) dental pathology vs pathology

Actually, I want to ask if reading dental pathology without reading dental histology is not a good idea.

As far as dental education is concerned, I've heard dental schools more focus on head & neck stuffs and dental-related normal & abnormal human conditions. I just wonder if it is different from what is covered at medical schools.

Go out and buy yourself a Part I review book. It's $30-50, and you'll be buying a copy anyway in the future. Compare it with the medical review books if you wish at the bookstore. Do the comparison yourself and you'll get better information than anyone on here can tell you. Some people on here are too into arguing to see the value of the advice.

 

[kathydmd]

Sounds like you're ready to get off to a good start. I'm a 4th year now and what I remember of physio is...well, scarce. It wasn't a huge emphasis at my school (Tufts in Boston) and it also was just called physiology. We took gross anatomy the first semester and I think my classmates will agree, that was the most demanding course of that semester, medicine and histology were the most demanding in the 2nd semester. I would say if you want to get ahead of the game, get the brachial plexus down cold, watch some disections online and you'll be more prepared to step into gross lab and when everyone else is trying to cram a ton into their head at once, you'll at least have experience with memorizing a nerve structure.

 

[gryffindor]

Don't bother with whatever physiology textbook you listed. Like the others have said, if you are determined to read over the summer, get a boards review book. Get the USMLE First Aid book and I think there is a NBDE First Aid book these days too. Or get the dental anatomy book recommended at your school and start trying to familiarize yourself with dental terminology - it's like learning a new language. Do you know what the words embrasure, mesial, line angle, and lingual mean? You'll use these words for the rest of your life. You will learn them in dental school, but it will be at the same time as trying to pass physiology and anatomy.

 

[robhmnt]

Buy the Part I review books and you can answer everything for yourself. And if you must jump the gun in learning, you won't be able to learn everything available in the review books by the time dental school starts anyway.

Best answer along with all others who said the same thing.

 

[visbimmer79]

NYUCD SDN friends are not responding.............anymore

They must be really busy now~~

At this point, I just want to know if I will learn non oral systems pretty much in depth like medical students. (in 1) physio, 2) histo, 3) anat courses at a dental school)

 

[visbimmer79]

Sounds like you're ready to get off to a good start. I'm a 4th year now and what I remember of physio is...well, scarce. It wasn't a huge emphasis at my school (Tufts in Boston) and it also was just called physiology. We took gross anatomy the first semester and I think my classmates will agree, that was the most demanding course of that semester, medicine and histology were the most demanding in the 2nd semester. I would say if you want to get ahead of the game, get the brachial plexus down cold, watch some disections online and you'll be more prepared to step into gross lab and when everyone else is trying to cram a ton into their head at once, you'll at least have experience with memorizing a nerve structure.

Thank you very much for sharing your experience with me.

Btw, I discovered there are many oral specific books. (Oral histology, oral physiology, orofacial dental anatomy or head & neck anatomy books)
These oral specific books are not dealing with renal, heart, or other non oral systems.

So, I wonder why you learned "physiology" instead of oral physiology at your dental school. Plus, did u just learn it as much as medical students?

 

[visbimmer79]

Go out and buy yourself a Part I review book. It's $30-50, and you'll be buying a copy anyway in the future. Compare it with the medical review books if you wish at the bookstore. Do the comparison yourself and you'll get better information than anyone on here can tell you. Some people on here are too into arguing to see the value of the advice.

Thank you very much for letting me know the books are very cheap.

Btw, I just asked about NBDE at the same time.

I am more interested in dental school curriculum.

Thanks anyway!!

 

[UCSF2012]

Thank you very much for letting me know the books are very cheap.

Btw, I just asked about NBDE at the same time.

I am more interested in dental school curriculum.

Thanks anyway!!

These books ARE the dental school curriculum.

 

[visbimmer79]

Hi...😎

Can anybody decribe the way we are going to learn those dental procedures? 😱

I believe we're going to learn each dental procedure in each different semester starting from D2 or D3. First of all, I want to know if this is true.

Ok...my real questions is..................then.....what is operative dentistry?

I happened to see the book, Arts and Sciences of Operative Dentistry, a few days ago. It does seem to contain almost all dental procedures in just one book. However, it looks like this book is more focused on theory instead of real excercise. Then, in which yr & course are we going to have chance to do those dental procedures at first hand?

Lastly, what are we going to learn to build up our hand skill before we go over those dental procedures? (Waxing, carving...??)

For easier understanding of what I am saying and better answers...I will tell u what I think they are.

1) Yr1;
Waxing(I still don't know what is waxing), carving...or other basic things for D2+ yrs

2) Yr2/3/4;
Starts to learn real dental procedures...something like endodontic theraphy, cavity prepartion, crown...etc...

Anyway, I've also heard we are not going to do any hand skill required courses in yr1. Instead. we will take tons of basic science course with tons of exams and quizzes. What's the truth? 😕

 

[TempleDMDKrazd]

at Temple during our first semester we did the following:

waxing, amalgam filling, composite resin, and simple provisional using a vacushell, impressions, die stone study cast

during the second semester we did the following:
cavity preps (small, medium, and large) with restorations (both amalgam and composites), crown preps with provisional fabrications (block carving, over impression, vacushell), bridge crown preps (3 unit provisonals), and for the last project a gold crown

 

[visbimmer79]

at Temple during our first semester we did the following:

waxing, amalgam filling, composite resin, and simple provisional using a vacushell, impressions, die stone study cast

during the second semester we did the following:
cavity preps (small, medium, and large) with restorations (both amalgam and composites), crown preps with provisional fabrications (block carving, over impression, vacushell), bridge crown preps (3 unit provisonals), and for the last project a gold crown

Thanks!! 👍

so........
In yr1, what we are going to do is learning basic skills to be able to learn and perform those dental procedures after yr1, aren't we?
Then, we will complete learning those major dental procedures by the yr2, and begin to take care of patients under the tight supervision from yr3. Right? 😴

Ok~can anbody elaborate more on this?
Do u guys feel the transition among these steps was smoothly done based on ur own experience? Were there any specific difficulties which u want to share with me or other beginners? Any input is really appreciated!!

 

[TheWiredNerv]

Wish I could help, I've only taken medical classes. =( I hear oral path is tough though.

 

[ou_jay]

Thanks!! 👍

so........
In yr1, what we are going to do is learning basic skills to be able to learn and perform those dental procedures after yr1, aren't we?
Then, we will complete learning those major dental procedures by the yr2, and begin to take care of patients under the tight supervision from yr3. Right? 😴

Ok~can anbody elaborate more on this?
Do u guys feel the transition among these steps was smoothly done based on ur own experience? Were there any specific difficulties which u want to share with me or other beginners? Any input is really appreciated!!

There are lots of stresses and difficulties with all the transitions from basic lab courses to preclinic to real clinic, but the difficulties are different from person to person. It depends on your own natural aptitudes and whether or not your particular instructors feel like being jerks (many do).

As a recent graduate who was successful in dental school, the best advice I can give you right now is: RELAX. You need to stopy worrying so much adn to give yourself a break because you won't be getting another one for several years. If you are the type of person who can't stop working and never takes breaks, then dental school will be perfect for you; so no worries.

 

[visbimmer79]

There are lots of stresses and difficulties with all the transitions from basic lab courses to preclinic to real clinic, but the difficulties are different from person to person. It depends on your own natural aptitudes and whether or not your particular instructors feel like being jerks (many do).

As a recent graduate who was successful in dental school, the best advice I can give you right now is: RELAX. You need to stopy worrying so much adn to give yourself a break because you won't be getting another one for several years. If you are the type of person who can't stop working and never takes breaks, then dental school will be perfect for you; so no worries.

One week vacation is fairly enough!! Just kidding! 😴

Thank you guys for sharing ur experience and opinions!

Today, I want to ask how we are going to be graded and evaluated in those lab courses. Am I also going to have certain exams in these courses? How?

 

[NAVY DDS 2010]

One week vacation is fairly enough!! Just kidding! 😴

Thank you guys for sharing ur experience and opinions!

Today, I want to ask how we are going to be graded and evaluated in those lab courses. Am I also going to have certain exams in these courses? How?

It is great to know you are so enthusiastic about the field of dentistry. But, if I were you, as someone has already stated before, just RELAX. Enjoy every moment you have until dental school starts. Don't worry about what happens when, what different things are in dentistry, etc. You will be bombarded with that soon enough and will be exhausted by the vast volumes of information you are required to know.

But, I will commment on a few things if you you really want to know.

When and how you learn things will vary from school to school. Some schools take the NBDE I after their first year. So, they get all the basic scienes, dental anatomy and general path courses out of the way the first year so they are prepared for the exam that first summer. Other schools take the exam after their secod year, so classes are spread out a little longer thus allowing more dental related courses to be incorporated int he first year. So, you can begin to get operatie courses in year one. It is my understanding that there are some schools that get to work on patients in their first year (someone please correct me if I am wrong - I know they use to, but not for sure now). So, these school definitely learn dental studd right away. Then, there are the PBL (Problem Based Learning) schools who learn a little of everything from day 1, but learn it at a much different rate. So, you can see your question is not able to be answered with just a simple answer.

Now for the question in the post above. How are you graded? Well, it will vary from school to school, but the basic way is directed so you can pass the region boards your school falls in. Our school has a criteria sheet that is given out. You have to meet that criteria when taking a lab practical (or even the daily lab work) and points are deducted when you don't meet the criteria. In the lecture portion of the dental classes, you get test like any other class.

 

[ou_jay]

how we are going to be graded and evaluated in those lab courses. Am I also going to have certain exams in these courses?

The way you will be graded is unfairly. The person grading you will have as much or more to do with your grade as your performance. So just do your best, turn it in, and don't worry because everything else is beyond your control.

It is my understanding that there are some schools that get to work on patients in their first year (someone please correct me if I am wrong

We work on patients in the first year at Oklahoma. I just got finished working as a student instructor in that clinic. It was amazing to see how far we had come in the last three years.

 

[visbimmer79]

recommend anything I can do in Manhattan (maybe commonly available at many other districts..) 😎

to acquire a good sense of hand motor skill right before the start of my class?

I probably have two weeks. I've heard about an private institute where they teach dental related carving or other basic hand skills. Even if there is such place, I doubt if I can participate in the program just for 2 weeks.

I think it's a good idea, because I can also hang around Manhattan area in a timely organized fashion. Anyway, I am willing to pay for this kind of learning, so plz let me know if any of u guys have any good ideas.

(Actually, I am looking for something I can do pertaining to this idea, but I am not going to invest more than 3hours per day for this, too.)

Is there anything that is pretty much related with dental lab or dentistry-related artistic skills?

(Btw, do dental students have all the required stuffs to practice these skills at their own homes?)