Lets compare residency matching competitiveness

[zoner]

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I thought I start a new thread to compile what everyone has been sort of talking about here and there at various school specific threads. So far at AZCOM thread, some of us were questioning the amount of md residency matching as a way to determine the quality of certain school. Anybody wanna chime in? It would be great if people can post and compile residency match list for various schools on this thread. I am not trying to say that having greater amount of competitive match list is what makes one school better than the other. There are many factors including personal ones that factor into this. But this is for those who might be interested in possibly matching into competitive fields and using that as a guide to selecting which school might be the best fit.

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[michow87]

I thought I start a new thread to compile what everyone has been sport of talking about here and there at various school specific threads. So far at AZCOM thread, some of us were questioning the amount of md residency matching as a way to determine the quality of certain school. Anybody wanna chime in? It would be great if people can post and compile residency match list for various schools on this thread.

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This is pointless because there will always be variability between classes.

 

[zoner]

Not really. Sure there are variability but there are definitely trends. For example western students tend to do well getting placed in neurosx.

Plus there are these kinds of reasons that make places like ccom have good reputations

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[michow87]

There's a reason why so many Medical Students (not pre meds) explain the fallacy of choosing a school based on a match list.

Anyways, to each his own. Although I see this thread as pretty pointless, If I were you, I would gather the match lists of notable schools for the past 5+ years and compare from there. GL.

 

[zoner]

There's a reason why so many Medical Students (not pre meds) explain the fallacy of choosing a school based on a match list.

Anyways, to each his own. Although I see this thread as pretty pointless, If I were you, I would gather the match lists of notable schools for the past 5+ years and compare from there. GL.

well, that was what I was thinking too, not just by one year but compilation of many years.

If you can't choose which medical school to go to based on match list what else should they go by? weather? simulation lab?

also, actually, it was a medical student that suggest that you compare schools based on how many of them matched into competitive md residency, and not a premed. Go check out the AZCOM thread

 

[michow87]

well, that was what I was thinking too, not just by one year but compilation of many years.

If you can't choose which medical school to go to based on match list what else should they go by? weather? simulation lab?

also, actually, it was a medical student that suggest that you compare schools based on how many of them matched into competitive md residency, and not a premed. Go check out the AZCOM thread

My mistake. I assumed you were going to judge schools based on match list of the past class. I can see the validity of choosing based on a compilation of match lists of a school from the past few years.

Good luck with compiling those match lists.

 

[felix2929]

where are you going to get this information from?

 

[zoner]

where are you going to get this information from?

people have been posting this at various specific school thread.... i am kinda feeling too lazy to dig them up right now,,, was hoping people help 🙂

 

[zoner]

My mistake. I assumed you were going to judge schools based on match list of the past class. I can see the validity of choosing based on a compilation of match lists of a school from the past few years.

Good luck with compiling those match lists.

ur school is way up there for that anyways

 

[MedPR]

This is pointless because there will always be variability between classes.

Just google for match lists. The only ones that matter are the ones at schools you've been accepted to.

people have been posting this at various specific school thread.... i am kinda feeling too lazy to dig them up right now,,, was hoping people help 🙂

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[zoner]

here, i found one for TUCOM_CA

nothing stellar imho. no competitive md residency AT ALL!

 

[zoner]

Just google for match lists. The only ones that matter are the ones at schools you've been accepted to


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yeah, but if you have multiple acceptances?

come one guys, make this thread be the thread to go to when anyone has any question about residency matching

 

[MedPR]

yeah, but if you have multiple acceptances?

come one guys, make this thread be the thread to go to when anyone has any question about residency matching

Then google multiple schools. It's not like you should be choosing schools based on their match list anyway. Where you match is mostly based on you.

 

[jrporte3]

then google multiple schools. It's not like you should be choosing schools based on their match list anyway. where you match is mostly based on you.

+1

 

[zoner]

yeah,, mostly, but there are trends... for example,,, western from my knowledge has not produced one Oph md residency where as NSU has proudced several. And this is from looking at compilation of several years of match list. it will be nice to know this kind of information before you decide on which school to attend

 

[ModernAlchemist]

yeah,, mostly, but there are trends... for example,,, western from my knowledge has not produced one Oph md residency where as NSU has proudced several. And this is from looking at compilation of several years of match list. it will be nice to know this kind of information before you decide on which school to attend

Western has much better matches for what I want though. It's kind of case by case.

 

[488677]

So if I match ortho at Toledo (solid AOA ortho residency), I am less competitive than a PM&R match at a 100 bed ACGME residency?

It seems like you're considering CCOM a great school (which it is) for the wrong reasons. If matching ACGME defines how competitive a school is, I think you should take a year off to go MD or Caribbean.

I would argue CCOM is a great school for the following reasons:

-great rotation sites throughout Chicago
-awesome location next to Chicago
-I think CCOM's website mentions something along the lines of 60-70% of students match their first choice residency...I may be wrong though. I would look it up, but I am on my phone.
-there are more reasons, but I am extra lazy on my phone.

I think CCOM is a great school--do not get me wrong--but I think if you justify a school's greatness based off ACGME residencies, you are going to have a bad time.

 

[zoner]

Western has much better matches for what I want though. It's kind of case by case.

well yeah i know,,, most people can't carelss about matching into competitive md residencies,,, but i thought it would be nice if we somehow compiled all the data into one thread instead of having to go into each specific school and search them

 

[Mbeas]

 

[timmaycakes]

Ostepathic Reference was written by a SDNer. It has match lists for two years for most schools I think. Just google it.

I'm a little confused though. OP is saying originally that he wants to judge quality of school by % of ACGME residencies but then also mentioned competitive specialties in the same breath. So are we talking ACGME residences, competitive specialties, or competitive ACGME specialties? 😀. Surely there are competitive AOA specialties.

But really..each school accepts the students that they think will fulfill the school mission of primary care, and some recruit for that more heavily than others. Some schools will strongly encourage you into only taking COMLEX and doing AOA residencies...so it's ultimately all up to you.

 

[oms2]

are you trying to win an award for being the whiniest, neediest premed ever on sdn?
people post match lists on sdn every year. all you have to do is search for them.
besides, unless your thread is stickied, it's going to be pushed down into oblivion in a matter of weeks

 

[zoner]

Ostepathic Reference was written by a SDNer. It has match lists for two years for most schools I think.

I'm a little confused though, OP is saying originally that he wants to judge quality of school by % of ACGME residencies but then also competitive specialties. So are we talking ACGME residences, competitive specialties, or competitive ACGME specialties??? 😀

But really..each school accepts the students that they think will fulfill the school mission of primary care, and some recruit for that more heavily than others. Some schools will strongly encourage you into only taking COMLEX and doing AOA residencies...so it's ultimately all up to you.

oh no,,, that is not what i said in my op. i'd said "some of us were questioning..." this is a discussion and informative thread and not which school is better thread. but for me, i would like to have some solid information about competitive ACGME residency match list.

also, i think it was on anther thread that someone said all schools even md schools state that one of their mission is to fill the physician shortage and not blatantly state that their mission is to create more specialists.

 

[kob3z]

cant believe i just wasted 90 seconds of my life reading this thread....

 

[zoner]

cant believe i just wasted 90 seconds of my life reading this thread....

and you wasted 5 more posting

 

[cliquesh]

I thought I start a new thread to compile what everyone has been sort of talking about here and there at various school specific threads. So far at AZCOM thread, some of us were questioning the amount of md residency matching as a way to determine the quality of certain school. Anybody wanna chime in? It would be great if people can post and compile residency match list for various schools on this thread. I am not trying to say that having greater amount of competitive match list is what makes one school better than the other. There are many factors including personal ones that factor into this. But this is for those who might be interested in possibly matching into competitive fields and using that as a guide to selecting which school might be the best fit.

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This statement is not true, in my opinion. I think the number of students from a particular osteopathic school entering Acgme programs is, in general, inversely related to the number of AOA residencies provided by said school.

 

[BabyDoc86]

 

[zoner]

This statement is not true, in my opinion. I think the number of students from a particular osteopathic school entering Acgme programs is, in general, inversely related to the number of AOA residencies provided by said school.

what? a school doesn't' provide AOA residencies from my knowledge.

 

[Bacchus]

In order to be approved by COCA, you must have a network of residencies available to your student which are sponsored by the institution and a host-hospital.

http://www.pcom.edu/Graduate_Medical_Education/PCOM_MEDNet/pcom_mednet.html

 

[rzoo14]

Ostepathic Reference was written by a SDNer. It has match lists for two years for most schools I think. Just google it.

I'm a little confused though. OP is saying originally that he wants to judge quality of school by % of ACGME residencies but then also mentioned competitive specialties in the same breath. So are we talking ACGME residences, competitive specialties, or competitive ACGME specialties? 😀. Surely there are competitive AOA specialties.

But really..each school accepts the students that they think will fulfill the school mission of primary care, and some recruit for that more heavily than others. Some schools will strongly encourage you into only taking COMLEX and doing AOA residencies...so it's ultimately all up to you.

Not sure if you were talking about this or not.

https://sites.google.com/site/osteopathicreference/download-1

Zoner, download the Osteopathic Reference Spreadsheet. Go down the tabs to different schools and look at the match lists.

 

[zoner]

What gift have you posted here? Thank you

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[slammer922]

Don't know why this comes up every few months but ill entertain... these are the newest 2012 numbers from TCOM. 97% COMLEX1 pass rate, 3rd nationally. Highest Average COMLEX1 score in nation (550+), 2nd Nationally in COMLEX2 passrate, 80% AGCME match, 20% AOA, only few had to scramble and everyone got a spot. I have the match list breakdown just don't feel like typing it up...it was very solid tho.

 

[JaBoomDay]

Don't know why this comes up every few months but ill entertain... these are the newest 2012 numbers from TCOM. 97% COMLEX1 pass rate, 3rd nationally. Highest Average COMLEX1 score in nation (550+), 2nd Nationally in COMLEX2 passrate, 80% AGCME match, 20% AOA, only few had to scramble and everyone got a spot. I have the match list breakdown just don't feel like typing it up...it was very solid tho.

😍
I find out in 2 weeks if I got into this school. I can't wait!!

 

[oms2]

Don't know why this comes up every few months but ill entertain... these are the newest 2012 numbers from TCOM. 97% COMLEX1 pass rate, 3rd nationally. Highest Average COMLEX1 score in nation (550+), 2nd Nationally in COMLEX2 passrate, 80% AGCME match, 20% AOA, only few had to scramble and everyone got a spot. I have the match list breakdown just don't feel like typing it up...it was very solid tho.

there is a partial list on sdn:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=12284734&postcount=37

 

[488677]

there is a partial list on sdn:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=12284734&postcount=37

Very, very impressive 👍

 

[zoner]

wow,, does dmu push ortho surgery or something? they have really high ortho residency match list year after year.. probably the highest?

 

[pattr]

here, i found one for TUCOM_CA

nothing stellar imho. no competitive md residency AT ALL!

As a Touro-ca student I must reply.

OP, in response to your ignorant comment on our 2012 class, I will just reply: LSU Neurosurgery.

If what you are hoping to find is the number of ACGME ROAD/surgery subspecialty matches per school, I think that is a total waste of time. As has been stated multiple times in this thread, there is much more that goes into a match list than the medical school itself: preference of students, location, hospital affiliations, etc. It is next to useless to extrapolate a match list to your own or anyone else's success because how you match is much more about you as a candidate and a person than anything else. Also, to discount AOA match and solely focus on "competitive ACGME residency match list" just demonstrates your inexperience as a pre-DO.

 

[zoner]

As a Touro-ca student I must reply.

OP, in response to your ignorant comment on our 2012 class, I will just reply: LSU Neurosurgery.

If what you are hoping to find is the number of ACGME ROAD/surgery subspecialty matches per school, I think that is a total waste of time. As has been stated multiple times in this thread, there is much more that goes into a match list than the medical school itself: preference of students, location, hospital affiliations, etc. It is next to useless to extrapolate a match list to your own or anyone else's success because how you match is much more about you as a candidate and a person than anything else. Also, to discount AOA match and solely focus on "competitive ACGME residency match list" just demonstrates your inexperience as a pre-DO.

ok, i agree that to focus on acgme match only was bit immature, but not really, it wasn't really my idea, it was an idea that was adopted from med student at a DO school. Again, check out the azcom thread which will allow you to understand why I have started this thread. Yeah, so it just happens that DMU or PCOM attracts lots of individuals that have the character that can match into competitive ortho and touro ca doesn't... yeah that makes a lot of sense that it is only up to the individual and not the school

 

[chiddler]

hi friend.

i think you are referring to my post in the AZCOM thread. i'm not a medical student yet.

moreover, what I had quoted was from the PI of my lab who is an MD/PhD dermatologist. it was his advice. perhaps he was inaccurate since he is not overly familiar with the DO world.

 

[cliquesh]

ok, i agree that to focus on acgme match only was bit immature, but not really, it wasn't really my idea, it was an idea that was adopted from med student at a DO school. Again, check out the azcom thread which will allow you to understand why I have started this thread. Yeah, so it just happens that DMU or PCOM attracts lots of individuals that have the character that can match into competitive ortho and touro ca doesn't... yeah that makes a lot of sense that it is only up to the individual and not the school

Pcom and dmu have their own ortho programs. Touro doesn't.

 

[zoner]

Pcom and dmu have their own ortho programs. Touro doesn't.

well, sort of my point exactly

 

[michow87]

Pcom and dmu have their own ortho programs. Touro doesn't.

DMU doesn't have their own ortho program. PCOM does, though.

 

[xxstevecxx]

Where you match depends on how well you do on the COMLEX / USMLE. Thats really student dependent not really the school. No school is going to get you prepared per say if your not busting your butt to make it happen.

 

[Mbeas]

Where you match depends on how well you do on the COMLEX / USMLE. Thats really student dependent not really the school. No school is going to get you prepared per say if your not busting your butt to make it happen.

You're not a medical student. Borderline violation of the TOS.

 

[michow87]

Where you match depends on how well you do on the COMLEX / USMLE. Thats really student dependent not really the school. No school is going to get you prepared per say if your not busting your butt to make it happen.

There is a lot of truth to this statement. Your match depends heavily on board scores and connections you make during rotations. However, where you go to school does play a minor role when applying to residencies

 

[Bacchus]

There is a lot of truth to this statement. Your match depends heavily on board scores and connections you make during rotations. However, where you go to school does play a minor role when applying to residencies

Such as the PCOM IM program automatically interviews its students. PCOM surgery won't interview you unless you rotate there with the caveat being you destroy board scores. The ortho program is also very, very PCOM friendly.

 

[xxstevecxx]

borderline? It is or it isnt. If it is I'll change it. If it isnt I'm not.

 

[BabyDoc86]

Such as the PCOM IM program automatically interviews its students. PCOM surgery won't interview you unless you rotate there with the caveat being you destroy board scores. The ortho program is also very, very PCOM friendly.

That is awesome!

 

[xxstevecxx]

There is a lot of truth to this statement. Your match depends heavily on board scores and connections you make during rotations. However, where you go to school does play a minor role when applying to residencies

I specifically asked attendings in our EM residency program and said which school produce the best students? Which schools have highest board scores? ect. Consistently, the response was that good students are good students the institution is almost irrelevent. The people who are highly sought after Interview very well and have aove good board scores. Ive seen the match happen from this side for the past 3 years and for themost part this seems to hold true. The cream comes from all over not just one or a handful of institutions.

respectfully.😎

 

[michow87]

I specifically asked attendings in our EM residency program and said which school produce the best students? Which schools have highest board scores? ect. Consistently, the response was that good students are good students the institution is almost irrelevent. The people who are highly sought after Interview very well and have aove good board scores. Ive seen the match happen from this side for the past 3 years and for themost part this seems to hold true. The cream comes from all over not just one or a handful of institutions.

respectfully.😎

Definitely not doubting you and thank you for sharing your knowledge 🙂

I agree 100% on individual performance THE major contributor of where a student matches. I'm just trying to also shed light on the contribution that the institution attended has on the match.

My information is coming from a general surgery residency director. Specifically, he mentioned that coming from an established school that has sent quality residents to his program will bare weight on his decision concerning students applying to his residency program from the same institution.

Again, not all residency directors are the same so variance should be expected.

 

[xxstevecxx]

Gotcha. I have yet to hear that as a determinant in our program but maybe thats a heavily considered in surgery.