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Are we underapreciating it ask a risk for aspiration? Do you ask additional screening questions to diabetics? Might these patients have gastric contents 8, 10, 12 hours after a meal?
Are we underapreciating it ask a risk for aspiration? Do you ask additional screening questions to diabetics? Might these patients have gastric contents 8, 10, 12 hours after a meal?
However, there is poor correlation between the symptoms of gastroparesis and the severity of delayed gastric emptying. Studies have shown that symptomatic improvement in gastroparesis is only variably correlated with objective improvement in gastric emptying.[11–13] This may be because other pathophysiologic mechanisms (e.g., fundic relaxation, small bowel dysmotility and/or central mechanisms) are improving. However, it is harder to objectively test these factors in clinical practice. It is therfore important to note the distinction between physiologic versus symptomatic improvement of gastroparesis.
This is BS, no offense. The patient should not have been supine, but lateral decubitus, in which case s/he would have not needed intubation. Not only that, but any endoscopist worth her salt will be able to suction a stomach well without the patient risking aspiration. Your attending knows as much endo as I have forgotten. Gastroparesis with a long NPO period (12+ hours), especially in people who had a long bowel prep, is not an indication for intubation for upper endoscopy.I have seen it and as a newly minted CA1 2 weeks in recognized and respected it in a patient undergoing a "quick" EGD/polypectomy (which ended up being 45 min long and difficult). GI doc was pushing for a deep sedation and my attending agreed. I refused and opted for RSI/general c 45 degree inline. Turns out there was ~1000ml residual waiting to be aspirated as she admitted to regurgitating in supine position. GI doc looks over at me, "good call on intubating her, this could have been a mess."
I RSI virtually every patient with gastroparesis and am cautious/leery of diabetics in general when it comes to aspiration risk.
This is BS, no offense. The patient should not have been supine, but lateral decubitus, in which case s/he would have not needed intubation. Not only that, but any endoscopist worth her salt will be able to suction a stomach well without the patient risking aspiration. Your attending knows as much endo as I have forgotten. Gastroparesis with a long NPO period (12+ hours), especially in people who had a long bowel prep, is not an indication for intubation for upper endoscopy.
The only case I am intubating such a patient if it's not an elective procedure, or the GERD/achalasia is extremely bad (e.g. they laryngospasm at night) and we are NOT doing an upper endoscopy first. There is more aspiration risk during an airway manipulation with no cough reflexes supine, than during a well performed upper endoscopy with optimal sedation in left lateral position.
Its very laudable that you "RSI" everybody that smells like gastroparesis, but in PP they will chew you up and spit you out if you keep doing this.
We have so many diabetic patients and symptoms dont correlate to risk. We cant RSI every patient. So we just accept the risk that an occasional diabetic patient is going to aspirate?
That's well-known. Diabetes produces autonomic neuropathy which translates into gastroparesis and other symptoms, including decreased respiratory variation of the heart rate; one doesn't need an EKG for it, just a pulse oximeter. It's a good idea; maybe I should try it.CONCLUSIONS:
These findings showed that CV(RR) during deep breathing might be a good indicator of diabetic gastropathy and that peripheral neuropathy was closely related with cardiac and gastric autonomic neuropathy in the type 2 diabetic patients.
You've already said too much. You should be more discreet.
My half-joking sarcasm.what am I missing?
We have so many diabetic patients and symptoms dont correlate to risk. We cant RSI every patient. So we just accept the risk that an occasional diabetic patient is going to aspirate?
Since aspiration is a rare event I can't prove SQUAT with my prophylaxis treatment except to proclaim that it makes a rare event even rarer.
LMA device for administering anesthesia
A wrongful death lawsuit filed recently in Orange County is not only calling into question the actions of two anesthesiologists, but the constitutionality of the state's civil remedies code as well.
Joann Brown, on behalf of her deceased mother Shirley Brown, filed a lawsuit April 12 against anesthesiologist Dr. Frank Kuang-She Che and nurse anesthetist Michael Ieyoub.
According to the plaintiff's original petition, Shirley Brown, 59, underwent an outpatient gynecological procedure at Memorial Hermann Baptist Hospital in Orange on April 28, 2005.
Che and Ieyoub administered the general anesthesia for the surgery to remove endometrial polyps.
"The surgery itself was uneventful, but at the end of the procedure the patient developed respiratory distress, laryngospasm and hypoxia," the petition states. "Oxygen saturation dropped to as low as 40 percent. A code was called and the patient was intubated with an endotracheal tube and oxygen saturation returned to 100 percent."
Medical records indicate that Brown aspirated stomach contents into her lungs during the procedure and died May 11, 2005, of aspiration pneumonia.
"While under the care and control of the defendants, Shirley Brown continously suffered gross abuse, extensive neglect and undue pain. Mrs. Brown's basic needs were ignored and her dignity was disregarded," the petition states.
The plaintiff alleges that Chen and Ieyoub were negligent because of the way they administered the anesthesia, which was done through a laryngeal mask airway, a device placed into the throat.
In a statement attached to the original petition, Dr. Mark Winik, a board certified anesthesiologist licensed in Maryland and New York, said Brown had several risk factors that should have prompted the anesthesiologists to use a different course of action and administer additional medications.
Winik said Brown's medical records indicate that she was obese, hypertensive and had ischemic heart disease, or a restriction in blood supply to the heart.
Accoring to Winik's statement as an expert for the plaintiff, an obese patient with ischemic heart disease was at an increased risk of aspiration of stomach contents.
"The standard of care would require the anesthesiologist to administer anesthesia via endotracheal tube as opposed to LMA," Winik stated. "The LMA rests above the vocal cords and provides no protection against aspiration."
The lawsuit also alleges that Chen and Ieyoub were negligent because they failed to administer prophylactic drugs that would have lessened the acidity and volume of gastric secretions in the patient's stomach, such as Alka-Seltzer, Bicitra, Reglan or Pepcid.
"The afformentioned acts and ommissions of defendants constituted negligence per se and such actions were in violation of the legislative statutes passed for protection of the elderly, under the Texas Health and Safety Code," the petition states. The code says that the elderly may not be physically or mentally abused or exploited, must be treated with respect and dignity and may not be denied care based on sex, age or handicap.
"The harm that befell Shirley Brown while under the care of the defendants was the type of harm these statutes were designed to prevent," the plaintiff alleges.
The suit also alleges that the defendants committed a felony by having removed, destroyed or concealed writings.
In addition, "plaintiffs maintain and contend that the Civil Practice and Remedies Code pertaining to medical malpractice is itself unconstitutional" because it limits damage amounts.
The plaintiff says in particular, the limit on recovery of damages based on the number of plaintiffs and violates due process by "creating uneven or disportionate remedies for families because of the number of family members."
Joann Brown is only child of Shirley Brown.
She is seeking damages for medical expenses, mental anguish, impairment, funeral expenses and loss of companionship.
The wrongful death suit also alleges that defendants acted with malice and conscious indifference and therefore the plaintiff is also seeking exemplary and punitive damages.
She is requesting a trial by jury.
Why do you think the British use the LMA even for laparoscopic surgery? Is it because they just don't give a **** about their patients aspirating, or because there is no relationship between aspiration and LMA use? Association does not mean causation, except for stupid members of the jury.
Yeah, why do we use LMAs at all, except for us being too lazy to put in a tube, especially in obese patients?I will say this tho. As one of my partners says, " it's just so damn easy to intubate someone so why take unnecessary risks?"
I think you are a sarcastic SOB!Yeah, why do we use LMAs at all, except for us being too lazy to put in a tube, especially in obese patients?![]()
Ha ha. Sarcastic MF'erIt's sad when I have to put an (obese) patient through the risks and stress of an intubation and intraop ETT, just for the sake of defensive medicine.
I will say this tho. As one of my partners says, " it's just so damn easy to intubate someone so why take unnecessary risks?"
There is no consensus agreement on how to handle Obese patients or Diabetic obese patients who present for surgery (LMA or MAC or TIVA requested by surgeon). Clearly, we aren't going to intubate all of them. Still, Does the "cocktail" help in reducing the incidence and/or severity of aspiration? I say YES. Many others say 'No" and the literature is not convincing in the use of these drugs to reduce aspiration. So why do I use them? Because they MAY help and there is some evidence (weak) that patients avoid serious morbidity with their use. H2 blockers are extremely safe and well tolerated. Reglan is a mixed bag and CAUTION is advised in using it routinely preoperatively without sedation. Instead, I sometimes give 5 mg preop and the other 5 mg with the propofol. Or, I give all 10 mg just prior to the propofol.
For those on the other side of this issue I fully understand your point of view; I just disagree with it. My goal is to DO NO HARM and aspiration,while rare, can be a devastating complication.
Good luck and be careful.